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Key Developments and Allegations
E. Jean Carroll Cases (20232024): A federal jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation, awarding $5 million, with a later judgment adding $83.3 million for further defamation.
Stacey Williams (2024): Alleged in October 2024 that Trump groped her in 1993, marking a recent accusation.
Other Notable Accusations: Includes claims from former wife Ivana Trump (later retracted), pageant contestants regarding dressing room incidents, and the 2005 "Access Hollywood" tape regarding non-consensual contact.
Accusers: Numerous individuals, including Jessica Leeds, Jill Harth, Natasha Stoynoff, and Summer Zervos, have detailed various encounters over several decades.
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EdmondDantes_
(1,874 posts)And why during an election year, that's got to be fishy right?
What about why did Ivana stay with him?
Who's behind those women?
Don't we need to give it more time to decide?
Did I miss any?
dem4decades
(14,139 posts)Miles Archer
(23,512 posts)dem4decades
(14,139 posts)I liked the guy, I wanted him to be governor but if there's skeletons in the closet, that are true, he has to quit. Trump's abhorrent behavior doesn't factor into it.
Miles Archer
(23,512 posts)LeftInTX
(34,481 posts)LeftInTX
(34,481 posts)Sen Menendez ran for re-election numerous times after he was indicted. Henry Cuellar ran for office after his office was raided and twice after he was indicated. He has a full pardon now, but was going to file even if he didn't recieve a pardon.
Politically it's not a good idea for Swalwell to stay in the race. There are 20 Dems on the ballot and it's a jungle primary and having him on would only hurt the Democrats and possibly result in an R vs R race in November.
I'm not a fan of jungle primaries!
RandomNumbers
(19,185 posts)That said, if the CNN story is true (yes, BIG IF), Swalwell appears to have both a drinking problem and a sexual assault problem.
I bet the drinking problem can be proven sufficiently that he shouldn't be running for any higher office than he already has (or at least, no Dem should support him who wants to actually win and have someone credible in that office).
But I agree with both:
* an office-holder shouldn't be forced to resign on accusations alone
* a convicted felon shouldn't be able to hold federal office.
The accusers should take Swalwell to court.
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PEOPLE (all of you, but especially politicians): if you are incapable of knowing your limits at a bar and switching to NA seltzer, ice tea, or whatever - STOP. Or seek help.
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,014 posts)Ocelot II
(130,725 posts)However, it's a useful fact to bring up if GOPers try to climb up on their high horse re: Swalwell. The sad reality is that we live in a society in which powerful men, even apparently admirable ones, routinely abuse women and mostly get away with it. Swalwell's case is not like Al Franken's, though. Many Democrats, fearful of being accused of excusing bad male behavior, offered Franken up as a sacrificial lamb without giving him any opportunity to present a defense to accusations of "inappropriate" actions far short of Swalwell's (or Trump's), and now regret it. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken And Trump didn't get away with all of it - see the case of E. Jean Carroll - it's just that his cult doesn't care. We should care. Swalwell shouldn't get the Franken treatment - if he is able to refute the accusations he should be given a chance to do so - but the situation is a reminder that a man's location on the political spectrum doesn't necessarily determine whether he's a pig in his private life. See also, e.g., Elliot Spitzer, John Edwards, Andrew Cuomo.
jfz9580m
(17,295 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 11, 2026, 11:42 AM - Edit history (1)
That is the precise mob dynamics I hate. Be silent for way too long and then in a scrambling panic eschew due process in the other direction.
Mob justice is never the solution and to avoid that accountability and honest oversight (not panicky liability culture) should exist from the start.
If female victims of overt sexual harassment and assault have to deal with so much shit, how can someone like me making a point about the general creepiness of a PanOpticon where I am not even blaming men so much as the greedy, corrupt architects of this worldview expect to not be labelled paranoid crazies?
I dislike women like these as well:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/11/18/metro/epstein-summers-wife-timeline-emails/
https://paw.princeton.edu/article/professor-corina-tarnita-epstein-files-i-wish-i-had-never-known-him
Prof Tarnita is either lying or stupid - she can pick. My own temper is frayed from operating in grey areas related to shit I had nothing to do with. Thankfully I have never had to deal with creepa or predators, but only the insensitivity and hypocrisy of the PMC class on the one hand and this mob dynamic otoh. It is pissing me off. I feel that being a reasonable person in these shitty societies is mostly torture.
I wish I was a liar, a fascist, crazy and greedy. Id dash dash fit right in! Or at least had a martyr complex rather than trying to figure out with exceedingly bad grace what minimal concessions can be made to these I love a permacrisis!!!!! I am sensible!! types.
Look at Dr.Fauci. The rare public figure along with Lina Khan, whom even I trust. These factory farmed meat eating, ventilation shutdown ignoring douchebags find Beaglegate!!! to smear even him. And bs conspiracies like lab leaks.
Thats actually disgraceful. Representative Swalwell can otoh deal with the fallout of his behavior like Anthony Weiner, Eric Adams, Andrew Cuomo etc.
Yeah the Al Franken case was a rare outlier in being one that I was confused by.
I agree totally that mobbing witchhunts should be avoided in favor of due process and even redemption as appropriate. That doesnt mean this trigger happy forgiveness for credibly accused men and attacks on female complainants ignoring how hateful it is for women to come forward.
In fact I hate the mob crap as the worst response to the original error.
I dont think harassing poorly paid male techies with more torture like surveillance billed as oversight by some Ambani or Pentland type is the fix. Should everything be spelt out?
The fix is to give a shit about humans understanding the different challenges women and men like low paid workers face.
Though not the creeps ever. A sane world works for everyone but creeps. Getting rid of all HR to peddle shady clunkware and then hire frazzled, gig workers to avoid decent stable jobs without..
These guys are all idiots..
No harm in using your brain once in a while over the perma panic mode that I at least kept for paper deadlines etc not creep rights!!!. No wait scramble the other way!!! Real elegant.
LeftInTX
(34,481 posts)Swalwell can still hold office. But these accusations are hurting his campaign. The way the jungle primary is set up with 20 Dems, having him on will only dilute the Democratic vote. He will still be on the ballot, but he has suspended his campaign. Democrats need to get behind a candidate.
Yes, he could have stayed in, but it would have hurt the Democrat's chances in November.
Ocelot II
(130,725 posts)or whether he should remain in Congress. Obviously his campaign for governor is hopelessly damaged, and there will probably be pressure for him to resign from the House, similar to the Franken situation. But that's not what this is about - the point is that political affiliation doesn't seem to be relevant to the tendency of some men to use their power or influence to take advantage of lower-echelon female aides and associates. Just because he's our guy doesn't mean that he should have less scrutiny than their guys.
Maru Kitteh
(31,824 posts)He is wearing their team jersey?
Do we admire those who discount women because the man involved is wearing their favorite teams uniform?
I do not.
jfz9580m
(17,295 posts)Nanjeanne
(6,599 posts)jfz9580m
(17,295 posts)Women dont come forward as it is always shitty.
FakeNoose
(41,821 posts)Steve Bannon and (earlier on) Michael Cohen spent the better part of 2015 & '16 locating women who were likely to come forward with complaints and affidavits against Chump during his first presidential campaign. Bannon guessed it was at least "100 women" but he might have been exaggerating. Cohen famously mishandled the Stormy Daniels negotiations, and we've all heard how that turned out.
Michael Wolff is a good source because people on the campaign spoke freely during and after the first presidential campaign. Chump shared a lot of info without thinking how it would look when Wolff published his book. That's when he clammed up, after Wolff's book came out. Wolff knows the names of many of the women who were contacted and signed NDA's, but he has refrained from publishing that info.
Six117
(344 posts)Nt
ananda
(35,246 posts)Grrrrrr