Isn't it weird to send the Vice President to

[Johonny]

Negotiate a peace treaty. I point out our secretary of state isn't even with him, but the president's son in law who holds no formal roll in the White House.

VP's often serve no executive roll in most administrations other than surrogate on diplomatic trips. But these are things like ceromanial foreign trips to allies or to formal events like the Olympics.

This suggests A) Trump is down to a hand full of people he trusts B) Little Marco isn't one of them C) Trump is okay failing in these talks and letting Vance take the blame.

My assumption is, the Trump White House is not only the chaotic mess we all think it is, but also it is possibly deteriorating.

[OC375]

1. If you aren't sincere, does it matter?

[bucolic_frolic]

2. It's almost as if Trump has a diminished role

in foreign policy, in what his wife says about Epstein. For some reason. Wonder what that could be?

Is VP - oh, excuse me - SoS Rubio ready to step into the VP role?

[Johonny]

5. If this was Biden, the media would be talking dementia

And the VP needing to perform "executive" roles. If...

[bucolic_frolic]

8. And the media did ....

In January of 2024, the White House announced VP Harris would be traveling overseas in an expanded role. I took this to mean they were bulking up her credentials because of Biden's age. All this was circulating by the time 2024's SOTU was delivered, and it was a great speech, Biden nailed it, even if he looked old and weary. By the time of the first debate, things changed. Was a mistake to debate a former insurrectionist. That was a credible case to be made, even if it would have raised M$M hackles. Democrats ran a safe, weak campaign, even though VP Harris accelerated attacks on Trump and ultimately lost by a small margin. OMHO anyway.

[forgotmylogin]

31. Trump might not be medically cleared for travel. n/t

[agingdem]

33. I suspect stick-up-his-ass Jared's brief is

to negotiate (on his father-in -law's behalf) a piece of the action regarding the Strait of Hormuz and/or to secure another Saudi type deal for himself...

as for JD Vance...JD runs his mouth without asking permission...Trump intends for him to fail...he needs a fall guy...remember nothing is ever Trump's fault...Harry Truman said "The buck stops here".(responsibility)...for Trump the "buck stops here" is the actual buck (dollar) and it stops in his pocket...

[malaise]

3. Particularly when he was against the illegal invasion

Rec

[flamingdem]

4. The orange one enjoys seeing Vance squirm

Vance is supposed to be a part of anti-war maga.

[displacedvermoter]

6. A and C, not sure about B

Vance may actually be Putin's approved negotiator, and Trump is going along. Putin is loving this chaos, Vance will very likely screw this up and perhaps expand the chaos, and Vance really is a pro-Putin guy from the get go.

[Bluestocking]

7. The Vance presidentcy will be a much different experience

I hope for the better. Certainly can’t be any worse.

[live love laugh]

14. Bluestocking is hoping for a Vance presiden(t)cy....

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=379734

7. The Vance presidentcy will be a much different experience. I hope for the better. Certainly can’t be any worse.

[wnylib]

18. I think that Vance would be just as bad, and maybe worse.

He would be different, more orderly and less chaotic.

Vance is misogynistic. He is also associated with the ultra RW retrogressive Catholic subgroup, Opus Dei. So is his mentor and backer, Peter Thiel.

In interviews, Vance plays the plausible denial role, dismissing critiques or pointed questions as unfounded, or claims not to have heard about the topic being brought up. He dismisses it with, "I'll look into it and get back to you." But of course he never does. He is slicker than some people think.

[Bluestocking]

26. I am not hoping

But the reality is that Rump will not make it to 2028. Vance will be president and since he hopes to get elected in 2028 he will have to curb some that right wing ideology.

[True Dough]

9. Isn't it weird to have VP

who actually made his true feelings about you known publicly years earlier:

Vance began to publicly change course when he launched his Senate campaign in 2021. He deleted tweets from 2016 that included him calling Trump "reprehensible" and an "idiot." In another deleted tweet following the release of the "Access Hollywood" tape on which Trump said fame enabled him to grope women, Vance wrote: "Fellow Christians, everyone is watching us when we apologize for this man. Lord help us."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-j-d-vances-past-statements-and-relationship-with-trump

[underpants]

10. Normally this would be a set up for failure but they'll declare victory regardless

These aren’t normal times.

Sending J. V. instead of little Marco could be either him picking one over the other as both are seen as the leaders in succession to be who is him, or one to fail.

Vance is a mystery to me. I see absolutely nothing distinguishing or close to remarkable about him. I have no idea how he got through Parris Island or why his empty suit keeps falling into favor of people in power or money. I guess it’s some mixture of drive and place holding.

[wcmagumba]

11. Trump loves that JD wears makeup while he punches those couches with his widdle slong...

Thinks he's so cute...Trump would marry JD if Melanoma ever left him...

[thesquanderer]

21. re: "I see absolutely nothing distinguishing or close to remarkable about him. "

Peter Thiels' support/money.

[underpants]

35. That's what I mean. Thiel found his surrogate.

[BootinUp]

12. Rubio is the weakest SOS I have ever seen. Nt

[thesquanderer]

23. I think Trump gave L'il Marco the position just so he could humilate him.

He's never forgotten the "small hands" thing, I'm sure.

[live love laugh]

13. There's no rhyme or reason associated with them. It's one big grift.

[krkaufman]

15. Iran requested Vance

Supposedly, Iran had suggested Vance as preferable to Kushner & Witkoff because of perception that he’d voiced opposition to the war. (Though probably also overestimating Vance’s power/influence.)

[ChicagoTeamster]

16. And this should constantly mentioned during mid term campaign season this summer thru fall

Bring up the disfunction, mistrust, destruction of alliances and trade relationships, spiraling problems, and of course the economy

[JMCKUSICK]

17. Honestly, I think you're right in that

Most of these boot lickers sold their souls so long ago that they don't have a core set of beliefs on anything.

Of course what that means in real life, is that they won't be very good at negotiating around common sense proposals because they can't really defeat the sense they make.

No principles equals no positions.

[Javaman]

19. He's using the couchfucker as cover if everything goes south

Then he can blame couchfucker for his own fuck up.

The oranges asshole hates Vance that’s the open secret.

[Martin68]

20. Nothing this administration ever does complies with US or international norms.

[Ford_Prefect]

22. Anyone else would depend on a Sec. State who was a skilled diplomat and negotiator.

Along with the Ambassador to the country and his staff, people with knowledge of Iranian politics and culture, and who have history with those across the table.

But Donnie Dimwit fired everyone competent to those requirements along with vilifying diplomatic professionals.

So between Dim-son-in-law, Father knows nothing, and the thing from central casting, nothing good will come of this. They will give away the store, shackle we poor tax payers with the costs and declare that they got the "BEST DEAL".

[republianmushroom]

24. Vance can promise more.

Can make it seem more honest that this administration wants peace, instead of just covering their ass for an illegal war.

[Johonny]

34. Vance cant promise anything. The VP has no role

He is basically a spare part in case the president dies. Iran will eventually need either Trump buy in and/or congressional buy-in.

In many way, Vance is about the same as talking to Jared. Neither is really around for official diplomacy in a normal White House. It does seem that Trump has checked out of the war he started and Iran can basically dictate terms.

[hay rick]

25. Vance does not owe his position to Trump.

He is busy positioning himself as the tech bro/authoritarian alliance heir apparent. The media has helpfully settled on a narrative in which a) Vance spoke out against the war when others wouldn't and b) he proved his loyalty to Trump by publicly supporting the war anyway.

I don't believe Trump particularly trusts Vance- I think he is afraid to cross Vance's patrons.

[calguy]

27. I read somewhere that the Iranians WANTED Vance at the table

Mainly because they think he was the least enthusiastic about the war in trump’s inner circle, and they think he’ll be the easiest to agree to their terms.
Time will tell, of course, as I think Iran holds the advantage here, holding the Strait of Hormuz as their ‘trump’ card.

[Johonny]

32. Its hard to trust such statements

As both governments are full of *. Unless it was Vance using Pakistan as a backdoor to "beg" for a ceasefire. It might be, but it does feel like Trump is leaving Vance out to dry here.

[calguy]

36. The statement I referred to was, from what can remember, someone's opinion

Which is why I take it with a grain of salt, like most every opinion I come across. I just thought it might be an interesting point to bring up in this particular conversation.

[AverageOldGuy]

28. When all you have is thrid-rate talent . . .

. . . you play the game with third rate talent.

[Bluetus]

29. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than the President's son-in-law or some rando real estate guy

[some_of_us_are_sane]

30. He's DEFINITELY setting Vance up for the public FAILURE

as our asswipe "COMMANDER AND THIEF" has done -NOT JUST in the presidency- but for all his grifting life.