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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs Swalwell being rat fucked? (Poll)
Don't have enough information to take a hard side, but the timing seems suspicious.
If true, he should own this
If not, we are being Frankened again.
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ultralite001
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leftstreet
(40,965 posts)Did he plan and coordinate a campaign for Governor without once asking himself, "uh...is there anything in my past...?"
Extra marital affairs are risky enough to be a red flag to yourself
Attilatheblond
(8,980 posts)then whatever he did probably wasn't nice.
Loved him in the House. He was effective in his way and should have stayed put.
Wiz Imp
(10,105 posts)Attilatheblond
(8,980 posts)Bluetus
(2,908 posts)leftstreet
(40,965 posts)Sexual assault, sexual abuse, exploitation of an authority/power position for coercive control?
We're not talking about allegations of a dodgy mortgage or something
Bluetus
(2,908 posts)Anybody can make a charge. Everybody is entitled to a fair trial if the charges are seen to have any merit.
This is obviously not about a rape. If it was, then the charges should have been filed at the time. When they are brought up in an obvious attempt to alter the outcome of an election, we should all be very skeptical.
Why was this not brought up on 2019?
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,014 posts)Bluetus
(2,908 posts)But that does not seem to be the case here. They have had nine years to speak up and they chose this particular moment to bring a charge? Are they even asking for criminal charges or are they just trying to destroy the candidacy? When the timing is such it makes me highly skeptical.
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,014 posts)The first accuser has not brought a charge. The San Francisco Chronicle, which reported the original story, reached out to her first.
https://archive.ph/IDj4E
The woman began speaking with a Chronicle reporter last month as she considered whether to make her allegations public. When rumors about Swalwells conduct began circulating online, the woman said she was confused because she had told only a small circle of family and close friends about what had happened to her. She said she was petrified that Swalwell had told people about their encounters or that her name had appeared in an opposition research file compiled by a rival campaign.
She said she called the Swalwell campaign in late March to find out whether her name had surfaced among rumored victims. A staffer on the campaign, she said, asked her to vouch for Swalwell.
She said the staffer asked her whether Swalwell had ever been inappropriate with her, and then, when she hesitated to answer, said, Actually, I dont want to know. When the campaign staffer told her that Swalwell was not afraid of the rumors because he had not done anything inappropriate, the woman said she felt determined to speak out.
stopdiggin
(15,512 posts)Have you not been paying any attention - past 20-30 years?
You are quite within your rights to 'hold your fire' on this particular incident/set of accusations ...
But, really - THAT old canard .. ?
Bluetus
(2,908 posts)I said nothing of the sort. I simply said that when people have a choice to bring charges and they wait for 9 years and then spring the charges in the middle of a campaign, I am skeptical.
pnwmom
(110,278 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,891 posts)That same office that successfully prosecuted Trump. It's highly unlikely they're in cahoots with MAGA. They also opened up a tip line for other alleged victims to come forward.
leftstreet
(40,965 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,891 posts)Bluetus
(2,908 posts)But it does not answer the question why, if a person had this evidence (and receiving a dick pic means one has clear evidence in their possession), this was not brought out when it happened.
That suggests:
1) the evidence was fake -- you know there are a lot of fake pictures these days
2) it wasn't unwelcome at the time
3) the recipient decided rather than taking immediate action, they would rather save this for a time that could do more damage.
If it is #3, that is not the way our justice system is supposed to work. That would be a variation of WEAPONIZING the justice system.
There are many real cases of sexual abuse against women. When a person seems to be using charges for political reasons rather than for justice for the original crime, this makes it harder for women who are truly violated to get their justice.
pnwmom
(110,278 posts)For example, at least one of the accusers did work for him. And there is more:
The woman also shared medical records related to her receiving STD and pregnancy testing after the alleged assault.
onenote
(46,172 posts)Were you skeptical of her charges when they were made?
Bluetus
(2,908 posts)We all understand that there are strong reasons why women do not come forward, especially when a powerful person is involved.
By the same token, it is fair to ask why the claims were not brought out at the time and are now brought out when this is certain to affect the gubernatorial election.
Rather than torches and pitchforks, we should all be asking for evidence from both sides.
tulipsandroses
(8,275 posts)I'm sure republicans were skeptical of the timing as well.
MustLoveBeagles
(16,647 posts)I just find it interesting this happened to one of our most effective Democrats.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,778 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(11,778 posts)This style of ratfucking seems to be the most effective for them and unfortunately, their practice has paid off and made them good at it.
mike_c
(37,068 posts)If the allegations are true, then he knows it. In that case, what do YOU think he should do? I think finding another line of work would certainly be an honorable choice, under those circumstances. I would hope he does so voluntarily, with promises to be a better person in future, hopefully sincere.
If they're not true, he knows that too, and should mount a vigorous defense. However, we should acknowledge that the accusations will still reduce his chances of winning even if he's innocent. That's an unfortunate fact of life.
On edit: What leftstreet said, #2.
Edit 2: and if the allegations are true, we should be glad they emerged now, rather than after he was anointed the Dem candidate.
PATRICK
(12,404 posts)except it has been suggested to me that the Democratic leadership(?) would rather have a Republican win than certain Dem candidate(s). This does not seem to have come up in any discussions. Hope this notion is completely false.
mvd
(65,932 posts)But after Franken, I know RW shenanigans exist. Ill leave it up to people more in the know to decide.
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mcar
(46,123 posts)That said, these are serious allegations.
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,014 posts)Victims in cases like these will often come forward when they see that someone they know as a predator or pest is about to get even more power. It's why Christine Blasey Ford came forward, and why Anita Hill agreed to testify.
SocialDemocrat61
(7,729 posts)RandomNumbers
(19,185 posts)The situations described either are, or are not, like situations he is known to get into by his staff and colleagues. By "situations" I refer to the drinking with staffers until they are plastered ... and not making sure they are safely home (as opposed to winding up in bed with some guy they didn't necessarily want to be with, especially in that state).
It's pretty simple, really. He either acts that kind of way, or he doesn't. It's freakin' hard to believe that this type of behavior - short of the sexual aspects - wouldn't be known, if he is like that.
If he IS like that, frankly I don't want him on the Dem ticket in any new election. It's not proper behavior for an adult who is a position of public responsibility. This behavior alone - even if nothing sexual actually happened - would open him up to EXACTLY the accusations he's now facing.
And if he ISN'T like that - where are his colleagues and staff loudly asserting that? Instead I see staffers jumping ship. I think that speaks volumes ... but will wait to hear more. I am sure more is coming.
stopdiggin
(15,512 posts)conceding to the fact that this fits a pattern ....
Which is what you are correctly pointing to.
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Ninga
(9,019 posts)1 day ago on Alex Joneses program. Because I do no have X I couldnt fin the entire post.
Out of curiosity... Why did Roger Stone tell Alex Jones that Democratic ...
1 day agoOut of curiosity
Why did Roger Stone tell Alex Jones that Democratic House Rep. Eric Swalwell's "campaign will be blowing up today" hours before the release of the San Francisco Chronicle article where an ex-staffer accuses Swalwell of sexually assaulting her (claims Swalwell denies)? Smells snip
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,014 posts)requires talking to a lot of people, many of whose names or even presence aren't even mentioned in the final article. Those people talk to other people, and word gets around. The first victim saw that rumors were going around so she called the campaign to see if her name was out there.
https://archive.ph/IDj4E
The woman began speaking with a Chronicle reporter last month as she considered whether to make her allegations public. When rumors about Swalwells conduct began circulating online, the woman said she was confused because she had told only a small circle of family and close friends about what had happened to her. She said she was petrified that Swalwell had told people about their encounters or that her name had appeared in an opposition research file compiled by a rival campaign.
She said she called the Swalwell campaign in late March to find out whether her name had surfaced among rumored victims. A staffer on the campaign, she said, asked her to vouch for Swalwell.
She said the staffer asked her whether Swalwell had ever been inappropriate with her, and then, when she hesitated to answer, said, Actually, I dont want to know. When the campaign staffer told her that Swalwell was not afraid of the rumors because he had not done anything inappropriate, the woman said she felt determined to speak out.
He was so confident that I would stay silent that he wasnt scared, she said of Swalwell.
Ninga
(9,019 posts)feel rather ill though .and will always wonder about the timing .
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,014 posts)JI7
(93,675 posts)the allegations and give the accused a chance to respond if they want.
I think our side immediately calling for resignations has hurt us .
The media went after Biden on that one accusation which was easily shown to be fake when it was proven he never even attended the event where it happened. Yhe media could have easily done the research on that but they didn't.
So do an investigation, ler info come out and let the accused present their side and let voters decide.
LudwigPastorius
(14,788 posts)a full investigation has determined his culpability".
pinkstarburst
(2,042 posts)If this is true, and it may very well be, they can surely release some text messages or something like that.
My concern is that we not set a precedent that there can be an accusation made and BOOM, the candidate drops out. Let's think this through. Right now it's our frontrunner for the governor of California. What happens 6 months from now when we only have one dem candidate in the running for CA governor (that could easily happen!) and there's mysteriously a round of accusations that happen right before voting starts, accusing our candidate. Do they drop out? Do we rush to drop support?
What happens when republicans learn from how quickly we will burn someone with zero evidence (it hasn't even been 24 hours) and decide this would be a cool trick to pull in our 2028 primary, taking out our frontrunner for president? They control most of the media now, and the billionaires are on their side, too. What happens when after they take out our frontrunner, and we get a nominee no one is excited about, they wait until October and release "damning information" about our nominee, that later turns out to be untrue, but it takes months to figure that out, and we are so quick to condemn that we've already lost?
I think we need to be careful, especially given what happened with Franken, not to get ahead of ourselves. I would like to see evidence.
SheltieLover
(80,913 posts)hunter
(40,741 posts)I don't want him working for me.
We've all been rejected by potential employers for much, much, less -- even frivolous or random reasons...
This shit is serious. He needs to go away.
Franken arguments do not impress me either.
I'm not looking for any fucking heroes or celebrities..
Heck, if Cesar Chavez had been exposed immediately we might have ended up in a better place. Now we have to wonder if he was somehow compromised for thinking with his dick.
Zero tolerance for this kind of crap doesn't make Democrats losers, it's what distinguishes us from the modern Republican party.
If we can't win on a solid ethical platform, then fuck it all, this nation ain't worth saving.
Nanjeanne
(6,599 posts)on the various allegations?
Do I know the whole story? By no means. But there is clearly at the very very very least, some very bad behavior on the part of Swalwell. And unfortunately it appears to be typical behavior of men in power positions preying on young women. And the responses of young women who become enamored of men they perceive of as being in positions of power. That women in their early 20s, who have gotten drunk with men who have some control over their careers, real or perceived, and then tell family and friends (as these women appear to have done) but do not come forward and claim rape to police is not unusual. And if they think they were the only one that this happened to it is perfectly believable that they didnt come forward earlier. These kinds of encounters would typically leave women feeling guilty, responsible and unsure of culpability. Thats how men are able to take advantage of these situations.
Kid Berwyn
(24,569 posts)Be a shame if something happened to it.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,370 posts)Hes been soliciting customers/investors for his AI campaign software startup company on Capitol Hill, despite the clear ethical conflict of interest.
Kid Berwyn
(24,569 posts)Unlike so many in Congress.
ETA: Going by the shitstain billionaires currently running the show, itd be good more Democrats to get into AI.
ColoringFool
(765 posts)a.) "I didn't do these things"; and
b.) "You know me."
a.) We should believe him, why?
b.) No, no we do not.
Don't misconstrue; I am a big fan of the political Swalwell.
But I'm not in a cult.
And I go back to the days when I defended the National Enquirer when they printed the TRUTH about John Edwards and Rielle.
Bobstandard
(2,320 posts)The timing is an important consideration.
Orangenero
(4 posts)He seems like a good guy..
Fiendish Thingy
(23,370 posts)The earliest allegation dates to 2019, which means Stone or other republicans would have had to plant an operative on Swallwells staff six years before he decided to run for governor.
Then Stone/republicans would have had to plant three more operatives to work on his staff faithfully until this week, then suddenly make false accusations.
Then, Stone/republicans would have also had to plant four operatives on his staff to to work faithfully, then resign in disgust once the news broke.
Or, there is truth to the accusations, but they are difficult to prove criminally due to the passage of time, but the women involved nevertheless spoke out to achieve some sort of accountability and closure.
If there is ratfuckery, it is far more likely that the allegations are true, and someone encouraged the women to go public to winnow the field of candidates, so that this would not be a ticking time bomb for November.
mr715
(3,644 posts)I am consistently impressed by the quality of your analysis and your obvious intellect.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,214 posts)He's trailing Swalwell and he certainly has the money to do some digging.
W_HAMILTON
(10,353 posts)onenote
(46,172 posts)Should e Jean Carroll have gone to the authorities instead of waiting decades to reveal what had happened to her decades earlier?