Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

PCIntern

(28,440 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 03:02 PM 18 hrs ago

I wish to state something about sex crimes:

By way of introduction to this topic, I attended a small private school in Bucks County, PA named Solebury School. To make a long story short, there was a great deal of abuse perpetrated on the campus, a boarding and day school, over 70 years, including acts perpetrated by one of the four founders of the school.

Since I was at the school for grades 7-12, was very involved in many activities and athletic teams, had a family member who was a department head for four years, and was generally affable, I was selected to be the moderator of a private Facebook group which contains many of the survivors, male and female, of this potboiling mess. They required an individual who could be objective, knowledgeable, and understanding on many levels, while not having been involved in the horrors.

A Grand Jury was convened in 2015 and spent two years interviewing witnesses and perpetrators under oath. The report, issued in 2017, is horrific. If you would like to read it, please PM me.

What I wish to say is that all of these sex crimes: rape, incest, pedophilia, ephebophilia, coercion via blackmail, and all the others, are ongoing in every strata of society at a rate which is for the most part, inconceivably high to most people. If you have a frank discussion with almost any female, she can relate frightening stories about an uncle, a neighbor, a teacher or professor, a guy in a store or doctor’s office (including but not limited to the physician), or anywhere. Perhaps, luckily, nothing happened but it’s inescapable and noticeable to anyone paying attention.

When all these stories about Epstein and the others started coming out, I was not at all surprised and certainly not shocked. And it’s omnipresent.

I leave you with this: in fertility clinics, often times the male is asked to produce his sperm for artificial insemination. In the private room which contains in general a DVD player with various pornography videos, magazines of various types which include Boy Scout and Girl Scout publications, as well as teen mags. Think about that for a minute. Then consider how often the docs were told that the donor couldn’t get off on what would be effective for many of us so-called normies. And it’s all just OK with the staff and the docs. Business as usual.

As far as I’m concerned, this situation is one of those: “ Look to your left…now look to your right…” existences.

49 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
I wish to state something about sex crimes: (Original Post) PCIntern 18 hrs ago OP
Yup. I hear you. As a woman, I have my own stories. Joinfortmill 18 hrs ago #1
Same ananda 16 hrs ago #8
Me too. OMGWTF 16 hrs ago #18
WTF is wrong with men? Disaffected 15 hrs ago #22
Culture has just as much to do with it blubunyip 10 hrs ago #42
This leads to the nature or nurture debate. Disaffected 8 hrs ago #44
Imho, women can cut their losses by simply avoiding athletes. Some have taken allegorical oracle 11 min ago #49
Prehistoric times? "Cave-man marriage"--- knock the woman over the head with a club, Jack Valentino 10 hrs ago #43
Same here. highplainsdem 15 hrs ago #26
It was prevalent throughout the sixties and seventies too. Arthur_Frain 17 hrs ago #2
This was ongoing from the 2920''s through the 1990's and likely beyond there. PCIntern 17 hrs ago #4
I'm sorry that happened to you. And also if it ruins someone's life it's not necessarily because they "let" it. WhiskeyGrinder 17 hrs ago #5
That's exactly what the "Me, Too" movement was trying to raise awareness of. Diamond_Dog 17 hrs ago #3
I never got that in fertility clinics Figarosmom 16 hrs ago #6
The most graphic testimony in the GJ report PCIntern 16 hrs ago #7
Assaulted by gay bashers? N/t Figarosmom 16 hrs ago #9
Oh no... PCIntern 16 hrs ago #10
I feel sick... AloeVera 15 hrs ago #27
Geez.. Figarosmom 11 hrs ago #37
Collection at home was an option we used to create my daughter Soul_of_Wit 15 hrs ago #24
I've always said that it's up to parents to inform their teenage children BEFORE it happens to them FakeNoose 16 hrs ago #11
Absolutely... PCIntern 16 hrs ago #12
And then there are those parents who are shit. usedtobedemgurl 16 hrs ago #16
That's ridiculous. AZ8theist 15 hrs ago #20
Thank you. usedtobedemgurl 15 hrs ago #21
You're welcome. AZ8theist 15 hrs ago #32
I'm an old lady now, but... Trueblue Texan 10 hrs ago #39
And sadly that is part of the problem Lifeafter70 14 hrs ago #33
And no matter the warnings, it can and does still happen. 1WorldHope 16 hrs ago #15
From the epstein files it sounds like many of the parents Figarosmom 11 hrs ago #38
Teenage? Ms. Toad 10 hrs ago #41
I still have a vivid memory of a friend and I being accosted by some creep Disaffected 8 hrs ago #45
Twice, in the 60s, adult males tried lure me within their reach. enigmania 16 hrs ago #13
So, is this an American thing? Is it a European thing 1WorldHope 16 hrs ago #14
Pedophilia knows no borders.. whathehell 15 hrs ago #29
It turns out that Grimm's fairy tales had a real purpose it seems. 1WorldHope 15 hrs ago #31
We largely read sanitized versions of those dsc 46 min ago #47
It is a human thing. Disaffected 7 hrs ago #46
If they Rebl2 16 hrs ago #17
Pretty revolting, isn't it? PCIntern 16 hrs ago #19
Exactly MustLoveBeagles 15 hrs ago #23
Report them MorbidButterflyTat 15 hrs ago #25
And they're helping those freak f*cks have children! Trueblue Texan 10 hrs ago #40
This exists and always existed because it has been allowed to exist Bluestocking 15 hrs ago #28
For many years I taught women's self defense oberle 15 hrs ago #30
"which include Boy Scout and Girl Scout publications" ??? progressoid 14 hrs ago #34
Re fertility clinics Tasmanian Devil 14 hrs ago #35
References? PCIntern 13 hrs ago #36
While not even close to this level dsc 41 min ago #48

OMGWTF

(5,164 posts)
18. Me too.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:57 PM
16 hrs ago

I was recounting all of the date rape scenarios I have been in my life. WTF is WRONG with MEN? I'm happily married but if I end up single, I will sure AF stay that way and never, ever go on a date again.

Disaffected

(6,464 posts)
22. WTF is wrong with men?
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:15 PM
15 hrs ago

Last edited Wed Apr 15, 2026, 12:57 AM - Edit history (1)

For one, they are the product of evolution and are caught in a conflict between the reptilian and cerebral cortex parts of the brain. In some men, the reptilian wins over and they treat women badly. In others (mostly) the opposite occurs. Some switch back and forth. That's a deterministic, simplistic explanation as other factors of course play a role but it is the main reason IMO.

It is difficult to imagine how things must have been for women in prehistoric times and with other, less evolved hominoids when the social constructs we have today for the most part work against such foul behaviour.

blubunyip

(289 posts)
42. Culture has just as much to do with it
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 10:56 PM
10 hrs ago

if not more. The behavior is condoned because it's part of male bonding. Dominance and aggression training especially for warring cultures. The only way it will change is if men raise boys differently, and the culture stops supporting dominance and violence as normal.

Our social constructs are not working against such behavior--they promote it.

Disaffected

(6,464 posts)
44. This leads to the nature or nurture debate.
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 12:55 AM
8 hrs ago

Male bonding (or female for that matter), dominance and aggression I would contend are more nature than culture, especially in males, although the two combined can certainly lead to a toxic outcome with some people.

allegorical oracle

(6,508 posts)
49. Imho, women can cut their losses by simply avoiding athletes. Some have taken
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 08:57 AM
11 min ago

stimulant "performance" drugs. Others are just nuts because they didn't quite make the grade. At any rate, they are difficult to deal with -- whether they made the grade or failed. Go for the guy wearing spectacles.

Jack Valentino

(5,122 posts)
43. Prehistoric times? "Cave-man marriage"--- knock the woman over the head with a club,
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 11:01 PM
10 hrs ago

and then drag her into your cave.... (or whomever)
and 'til death do you part' !



Arthur_Frain

(2,389 posts)
2. It was prevalent throughout the sixties and seventies too.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 03:11 PM
17 hrs ago

My earliest memory is being abused by the neighborhood kids. You survive, you move on, if you want to I suppose you could let it ruin your life, but why?

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,064 posts)
5. I'm sorry that happened to you. And also if it ruins someone's life it's not necessarily because they "let" it.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 03:33 PM
17 hrs ago

Diamond_Dog

(40,731 posts)
3. That's exactly what the "Me, Too" movement was trying to raise awareness of.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 03:20 PM
17 hrs ago

I have stories, my best friend has stories, so many, many,women have stories. I totally understand that abuse is not limited to women, but we are the majority of victims.

Figarosmom

(12,350 posts)
6. I never got that in fertility clinics
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:09 PM
16 hrs ago

Last edited Tue Apr 14, 2026, 09:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Have the wife go in with him or give them a collection bottle to collect at home before coming in

It's bazaar the way they do it.


And yes every female and many males have been or almost been sexually assaulted in their life.

PCIntern

(28,440 posts)
7. The most graphic testimony in the GJ report
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:23 PM
16 hrs ago

Was that of a severe violation of a male who required surgery to repair his anus and rectum.

PCIntern

(28,440 posts)
10. Oh no...
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:34 PM
16 hrs ago

Roofied and raped repeatedly by teachers and a musician associated with the school

AloeVera

(4,311 posts)
27. I feel sick...
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:48 PM
15 hrs ago

Did the victim ever get justice? Assuming he was just a kid... Or the other victims?

Soul_of_Wit

(109 posts)
24. Collection at home was an option we used to create my daughter
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:38 PM
15 hrs ago

There is a time element involved, so those in rural areas might be too far away for that to be practical. My wife tucked the bottle in her bra (they said keep it warm) and took off for the fertility doc.

FakeNoose

(41,874 posts)
11. I've always said that it's up to parents to inform their teenage children BEFORE it happens to them
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:34 PM
16 hrs ago

It might be embarrassing or hard to talk about with one's children, but today's kids need to be warned. They need to be told how to protect themselves, and how to be a little more savvy about what can happen to them when they least expect it.

I'm sorry to deprive these children their innocence, but they need to hear about it from someone who really cares for their safety. What a sorry world we live in.

PCIntern

(28,440 posts)
12. Absolutely...
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:41 PM
16 hrs ago

My parents told me when I was seven EXACTLY why I wasn’t to get into a situation with an individual. Traumatic but quite effective

usedtobedemgurl

(2,058 posts)
16. And then there are those parents who are shit.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:54 PM
16 hrs ago

When I was 15, my Uncle's 30 something best friend put his arm around me after he had been drinking. I asked him to remove it. I threatened him. I counted down, loudly, to digging my nails into his skin if he did not remove his hand. This was all in front of my Uncle! The next day my mom grounded me for a week. The guy showed her the bits of skin I took from his hand with my nails. I explained to her what happened. She said I could have moved away from him! In my own house! The grounding stood. I never forgave her for that.

AZ8theist

(7,440 posts)
20. That's ridiculous.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:10 PM
15 hrs ago

If you were my daughter, I would have put a bullet in that fuckers head.

AZ8theist

(7,440 posts)
32. You're welcome.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 06:05 PM
15 hrs ago

You deserved better. No one should have to experience that horror at 15, or any other age for that matter. It's just not right.

Trueblue Texan

(4,522 posts)
39. I'm an old lady now, but...
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 10:12 PM
10 hrs ago

I would have hurt that motherfucker, no matter how old I was. You didn’t deserve what your mother did and btw, you did the right thing, a smart thing, you just didn’t have an environment that supported your safety.

Lifeafter70

(1,113 posts)
33. And sadly that is part of the problem
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 06:14 PM
14 hrs ago

We are aware of individuals that might be a threat but we don't have enough evidence to do anything to prevent it.
No one wants to make false allegations and if they are not false we fear retribution or alienation from friends and family.

No one wants to talk openly on how much of this goes on in our society. It's a secret we are all keeping.

Our youth both male and female needs to be educated on abuse...what it is and signs to recognize. There are many degrees of abusive behavior some behaviors have been accepted and condoned by society at large.

Figarosmom

(12,350 posts)
38. From the epstein files it sounds like many of the parents
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 09:25 PM
11 hrs ago

Last edited Wed Apr 15, 2026, 12:33 AM - Edit history (1)

Sold their own kids into it. All they saw was how to make a buck.

Ms. Toad

(38,704 posts)
41. Teenage?
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 10:37 PM
10 hrs ago

I was sexually harassed and assaulted 4 times before I was a teen. That I remember.

And nothing they could have told me would have helped me protect myself. One was my brother sneaking into my room at night (after I told my parents, I was permitted to lock my door at night), a second was within my parents' sight (but below the water line at the community pool with a friendly dive coach "showing me how to position my arms&quot , one was in the middle of a middle school class full of people, including the teacher, and the 4th was a bullying situation.

Disaffected

(6,464 posts)
45. I still have a vivid memory of a friend and I being accosted by some creep
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 01:06 AM
8 hrs ago

who pulled up beside us, opened the car door and held out a candy bar as he asked us to get in. IIRC we were around 6 or 7 at the time but old enough to remember what our parents taught us - never go anywhere with strangers.

enigmania

(489 posts)
13. Twice, in the 60s, adult males tried lure me within their reach.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:44 PM
16 hrs ago

Thankfully, I ran the other way. I'm lucky. Many were not.

1WorldHope

(2,079 posts)
14. So, is this an American thing? Is it a European thing
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:46 PM
16 hrs ago

that traveled to America with the immigrants from our Victorian culture? Is this a world wide thing?
It's a thing, no doubt about it. I am a woman and it started young and the characters varied, along with the degrees of SA. And though "I didn't let it ruin my life". It no doubt effected me to the core.
I was lucky that I had a stable home, I had good family, I was middle class and never homeless. When I think of the hell young people went through with the Epstein/Trump sex trafficking and the Franklin Cover up in Omaha, and the sex slaves trafficked around this planet, I can't help but think, humans didn't evolve for the better and a well pointed asteroid may not be the worst thing that could happen. If only it would just kill the predators and leave the prey alone to live our happy little lives with no assholes to fuck up our innocence. And yes, ruin many many people for the rest of their lives.

whathehell

(30,484 posts)
29. Pedophilia knows no borders..
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:54 PM
15 hrs ago

It's certainly not just an "American" or "European thing".

1WorldHope

(2,079 posts)
31. It turns out that Grimm's fairy tales had a real purpose it seems.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:59 PM
15 hrs ago

We always thought about the callousness of telling your children such monstrous tales.
Now we know that monsters really do exist.

dsc

(53,408 posts)
47. We largely read sanitized versions of those
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 08:22 AM
46 min ago

which makes that even more mindblowing.

Disaffected

(6,464 posts)
46. It is a human thing.
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 01:16 AM
7 hrs ago

In some cultures, ancient Greece and IIRC NA Inuit for example, pedophilia was common and accepted.

One therefore may wonder if the stigma associated with it in most modern societies is at least partially responsible for the often devastating result it has on the victims (and no, I am not attempting here to give it even a particle of justification).

Rebl2

(17,808 posts)
17. If they
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:57 PM
16 hrs ago

need teen magazines or scouts magazines, they have no business having children.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,609 posts)
25. Report them
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:38 PM
15 hrs ago

"....the docs were told that the donor couldn’t get off on what would be effective for many of us so-called normies. And it’s all just OK with the staff and the docs. Business as usual."

The clinics/doctors/nurses/everybody involved should be reported.

If nothing done go to the media.

I think people should be made aware of what's going on before they choose a fertility clinic, at the very least.

Bluestocking

(685 posts)
28. This exists and always existed because it has been allowed to exist
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:53 PM
15 hrs ago

Keep in mind that human society is male dominated. I wonder if if it would exist in female dominated societies?

oberle

(377 posts)
30. For many years I taught women's self defense
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:59 PM
15 hrs ago

and taekwondo. You'd be surprised by the number of women who gained self confidence and were able to fight off their sexual abuser. I urge all parents to put their girl children in a youth martial arts. Check out the instructor first, however.

progressoid

(53,234 posts)
34. "which include Boy Scout and Girl Scout publications" ???
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 06:17 PM
14 hrs ago

Sadly, I spent far too much time searching the internet for information about this. Using multiple search engines (and VPNs), I could find nothing to support this assertion.

The only link that popped up more than once was this one: https://en.democraticunderground.org/100221174081

Tasmanian Devil

(178 posts)
35. Re fertility clinics
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 07:00 PM
14 hrs ago
magazines of various types which include Boy Scout and Girl Scout publications, as well as teen mags

To my non-expert ears, this sounds apocryphal. I do have some first-person experience and at least at the clinic I was at there were only the expected adult magazines. This was just one visit at one clinic and many decades ago ... so I can't state with any authority if this is/was a common practice. References would be useful here I think.

dsc

(53,408 posts)
48. While not even close to this level
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 08:27 AM
41 min ago

the choruses I am in are both singing popular songs that clearly sexualize 17 year old girls. Dancing Queen and Paradise by the Dashboard lights. And they are far from the only songs that do this.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»I wish to state something...