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demmiblue

(39,802 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 02:35 PM 6 hrs ago

BREAKING: The U.S. bishops' Committee on Doctrine just issued a formal statement defending Pope Leo XIV's teaching...

BREAKING: The U.S. bishops’ Committee on Doctrine just issued a formal statement defending Pope Leo XIV's teaching authority on just war doctrine — less than twelve hours after JD Vance told a Turning Point USA crowd the pope should “be careful” talking theology.

This is a serious escalation.

BREAKING: The U.S. bishops’ Committee on Doctrine just issued a formal statement defending Pope Leo XIV's teaching authority on just war doctrine — less than twelve hours after JD Vance told a Turning Point USA crowd the pope should “be careful” talking theology.

This is a serious escalation.

Christopher Hale (@christopherjhale.bsky.social) 2026-04-15T17:07:25.641Z
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BREAKING: The U.S. bishops' Committee on Doctrine just issued a formal statement defending Pope Leo XIV's teaching... (Original Post) demmiblue 6 hrs ago OP
Great, I love it. Now let's talk about women in the/your church. efhmc 6 hrs ago #1
yeah, ok. can we focus for just a minute on what the Catholic Church is in the present getting right? MadameButterfly 1 hr ago #33
Let's stay on topic! Grins 9 min ago #40
This is crazy obamanut2012 6 hrs ago #2
It's such an unfamiliar feeling. I'm really impressed with them. Scrivener7 5 hrs ago #5
Pope Leo is a good guy MustLoveBeagles 3 hrs ago #10
We're catholic too - just not with a capital C TommyT139 3 hrs ago #25
They'll still vote for Trump who is evil personified. Irish_Dem 5 hrs ago #3
I know a lot of Catholics who vote D FakeNoose 4 hrs ago #7
All the Catholics I know are staunch dyed in the wool MAGAs. Irish_Dem 3 hrs ago #20
Joe Biden is Catholic Bristlecone 1 hr ago #37
Unfortunately I do not run in the same circles as Joe Biden and his pals. Irish_Dem 1 hr ago #39
You need to get out more. Grins 7 min ago #41
I recall some surveys I saw years ago . . . AverageOldGuy 3 hrs ago #21
I hope by "they" you're not speaking of Catholics whathehell 2 hrs ago #29
Not that I give a shit but Shady is malaise 5 hrs ago #4
Maybe that's the Couch Botherer's long game? VTderry 4 hrs ago #9
Love it malaise 3 hrs ago #16
Lol. But then again, B.See 1 hr ago #35
American Catholics are not a monolithic group, whathehell 2 hrs ago #30
PRECISELY B.See 1 hr ago #36
Let's not put this on Catholics MadameButterfly 1 hr ago #34
Good to see the U.S. Bishops start to wake up. themaguffin 4 hrs ago #6
Some claim this is a Christian Nation. multigraincracker 4 hrs ago #8
Sane Christians still believe in the separation of Church and State TommyT139 3 hrs ago #26
Most of the signers of the Constitution multigraincracker 12 sec ago #42
Let's not..Up until relatively recently whathehell 2 hrs ago #31
This of course must be explained to the sociopath in Chief. Passages 3 hrs ago #11
Accomplices to crime. Six "Catholicks" of note usonian 3 hrs ago #12
Two "Catholicks" of Greater note.. whathehell 1 hr ago #38
Are the prediction markets taking any line on a Trump War with the Vatican? rurallib 3 hrs ago #13
JD seems to have bought in to the Nativist/Klanner Warpy 3 hrs ago #14
Good. I wish they had been a defender of Pope Francis Raven123 3 hrs ago #15
It's not just Trump's attack on the Pope AverageOldGuy 3 hrs ago #17
ICE arrests in churches TommyT139 3 hrs ago #27
I might not be a believer anymore LostOne4Ever 3 hrs ago #18
Trump doesn't engage in the concept of "just war". patphil 3 hrs ago #19
Well, trump is bigger than Jesus. C Moon 3 hrs ago #22
No, that was the Beatles... nt Another Jackalope 2 hrs ago #32
Excommunicate Jethro!! paleotn 3 hrs ago #23
Thank you, Bishops. spanone 3 hrs ago #24
Direct link to statement TommyT139 2 hrs ago #28

MadameButterfly

(4,097 posts)
33. yeah, ok. can we focus for just a minute on what the Catholic Church is in the present getting right?
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 06:51 PM
1 hr ago

It's not as if Vance and Trump can do them better as regards to women, but that isn't the subject here.
Nor has the Catholic Church always practiced peace through it's long history.

But for now, the Catholic Doctrine and the preaching of it by the Pope are right on.

obamanut2012

(29,407 posts)
2. This is crazy
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 02:41 PM
6 hrs ago

As an ex Catholic now Episcopalian, I am on the Holy See's side. I never thought I would think that! lol

FakeNoose

(41,887 posts)
7. I know a lot of Catholics who vote D
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 04:27 PM
4 hrs ago

And they also go to church more often than I do.

(Spoken as a person who was raised Catholic, but not so much any more.) My point is that Catholic voters in the US are not a monolithic voting block, by any stretch. If anything most of the Catholics my age and younger are in favor of abortions being legal and safe to all women who need them, but maybe they themselves wouldn't get one.

Irish_Dem

(81,714 posts)
20. All the Catholics I know are staunch dyed in the wool MAGAs.
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 05:13 PM
3 hrs ago

I wish I knew some of the liberal ones.

Bristlecone

(11,126 posts)
37. Joe Biden is Catholic
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 07:16 PM
1 hr ago

As an aside.

But my wife teaches at a catholic school and there are many parents there that support TSF.

Irish_Dem

(81,714 posts)
39. Unfortunately I do not run in the same circles as Joe Biden and his pals.
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 07:25 PM
1 hr ago

As I say most I know are MAGAs.

AverageOldGuy

(3,974 posts)
21. I recall some surveys I saw years ago . . .
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 05:15 PM
3 hrs ago

. . . about Catholic women and birth control.

I probably don't have this exactly correct but as I recall the Church forbade the use of birth control of any kind. Surveys of Catholic women showed that upwards of 90% were on the pill, the diaphragm, or condoms.

I have always felt that Catholic women were like the other women I know -- just don't mess with them, treat them nicely, open the door for them, pull out their chair at the table, carry their books and groceries -- and the correct answer is "Yes, dear."

whathehell

(30,493 posts)
29. I hope by "they" you're not speaking of Catholics
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 06:01 PM
2 hrs ago

They are NOT a monolithic group, and, by and large, less 'Trumpy' than your average Protestant Funaamentalist

malaise

(296,774 posts)
4. Not that I give a shit but Shady is
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 02:50 PM
5 hrs ago

going to be excommunicated .
I wonder if American Catholics ever gave thought to the possibility that those concentration camps could be for them too and not just the non-whites immigrants.

VTderry

(128 posts)
9. Maybe that's the Couch Botherer's long game?
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 04:38 PM
4 hrs ago

Get excommunicated, use it as the catalyst for a schism, install Pope Peter (Theil) as the head of the new Opus Dei Catholic Church of Capitalism (useless eaters not welcome, except as food or fuel.)

B.See

(8,583 posts)
35. Lol. But then again,
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 06:59 PM
1 hr ago

maybe that's not so far fetched given the batshitery of the maga mentality,

whathehell

(30,493 posts)
30. American Catholics are not a monolithic group,
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 06:05 PM
2 hrs ago

and I've heard more condemnation of Trump and his Immigration policies from Pope Leo than from any similarly prominent Protestant leader, especially of the Evangelical persuasion.

MadameButterfly

(4,097 posts)
34. Let's not put this on Catholics
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 06:57 PM
1 hr ago

Trump supporters should understand that the concentration camps won't be reserved for only immigrants forever,.


multigraincracker

(37,772 posts)
8. Some claim this is a Christian Nation.
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 04:37 PM
4 hrs ago

Roman Catholic is the largest denomination. Let’s call this a Catholic Country.

Just saying.

whathehell

(30,493 posts)
31. Let's not..Up until relatively recently
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 06:25 PM
2 hrs ago

this country had a solid Protestant majority that comprised it's power base, socially, economically and politically and in representating much of the "old money" in America, these WASPS, e.g. White Anglo Saxon Protestants, still do..
You may not remember the controversy that emerged when JFK sought (and won,) the Presidency as the first Catholic to do so, but it was a big deal.

rurallib

(64,720 posts)
13. Are the prediction markets taking any line on a Trump War with the Vatican?
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 04:56 PM
3 hrs ago

The Trump boys will probably lay some heavy bets that it is on!

Who will be the Trump appointed Pope? Stephen Miller?

Warpy

(114,640 posts)
14. JD seems to have bought in to the Nativist/Klanner
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 04:57 PM
3 hrs ago

dictates that the US is a majority white, Protestant nation and everybody else better sit down and be quiet or they'll face (unspoken) consequences.

Put some real teeth into the traditions generations of patriots respected and we might just be ready for the next Fatso.

Raven123

(7,857 posts)
15. Good. I wish they had been a defender of Pope Francis
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 04:58 PM
3 hrs ago

As an organization they were inexplicably weak and sometimes silent, early in the immigration enforcement debacle. If JD wishes to challenge the Pope on Doctrine deny him Communion, like they did to Pelosi.

AverageOldGuy

(3,974 posts)
17. It's not just Trump's attack on the Pope
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 05:10 PM
3 hrs ago

Remember -- a couple of days after Trump launched his attack on the Pope, this happened.

A peculiar meeting at the Pentagon between apostolic nuncio Cardinal Christophe Pierre, who serves as Pope Leo XIV's U.S. representative, and a senior Department of Defense official has led to a flurry of speculation and concern about the relationship between the Pentagon and the Vatican.

The January meeting was first reported by The Free Press earlier this week, which claimed Pentagon officials warned the Vatican "the United States has the military power to do whatever it wants" and the Catholic Church should take its side. Within hours, the report sparked statements from U.S. and Vatican officials, with varying accounts and interpretations of the meeting emerging over the next day as a wave of discourse erupted among Vatican-watchers and other Catholics.


https://www.ncronline.org/news/unusual-pentagon-vatican-meeting-sparks-intrigue-denials-and-whispers-diplomatic-clash

Trump attacks the Pope, Hegseth's lap dogs attack senior Catholic clergy who -- Thank God! -- fired back and did not back down.

Which brings us to this question: At what point will Trump send his private army -- ICE -- into churches?

And what will you do when it's your church? At my church I will be one of those barring the doors and they will have to beat the shit out of me to get me out of the way.

TommyT139

(2,404 posts)
27. ICE arrests in churches
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 05:41 PM
3 hrs ago

Trump rewrote Biden's policy on Day 1 to allow ICE arrests in churches and on church property. It's been happening.

From July 2025:
Religious Groups Sue Trump-Vance Administration Over Immigration Raids at Houses of Worship

https://democracyforward.org/news/press-releases/houses-of-worship/

If it's not happening in your church or diocese yet, you should have a plan anyway.

LostOne4Ever

(9,757 posts)
18. I might not be a believer anymore
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 05:10 PM
3 hrs ago

But, for today at least, I am proud of the church to which I used to belong!

I bet Donahue and his Catholic League fascists are having a tantrum

patphil

(9,126 posts)
19. Trump doesn't engage in the concept of "just war".
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 05:13 PM
3 hrs ago

He just engages in war.
So, as the leader of the United States, he engages in a war that is unjust by it's very nature, and expects all true Catholics to simply come along for the ride.
I'm sure that all true Christians can also identify with the concept of a "just war", as opposed to an unjust one.

The key word here is "true".

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