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haele

(15,778 posts)
Sat Jul 18, 2026, 11:04 AM 4 hrs ago

Serious question to all people with actual defense/combat training

(...just getting seriously tired of the misuse of some terms coming out of policy lapdogs out of the Pentagon who should know better...)
Who the fuck would define "Lethality" under strictly physical strength parameters?

Honestly, That's rather like me pulling the .45 bullet (I pulled out of center ring when I got my marksmanship ribbon as a souvenir) or the 5 inch clovis style spearhead I knapped myself from my old jewelry box and tell a Crossfit wannabe "I can kill anyone or almost anything with these items..."

And yes, I can kill someone with those particular items even now, even as overweight, severely arthritic old lady with macular degeneration.. .

Because I'm a smart primate with skills. It doesn't matter my gender, size, or weight.
I know how to assess the resources around me, how make and use tools to amplify my strength and accuracy.
And more importantly, I know when and under what circumstances I would actually need to fight. If I don't need to fight, if I have options available, why should I waste critical resources or risk life or well-being of myself and my support structure by indulging in needless conflict? Is there honor in destroying my resources simply because I can?

I have been trained to understand my body and know how to practice to improve my physical situation to meet survival requirements, to coordinate my limbs and leverage my body weight so I can react quickly, or manage loads double or triple my weight for long periods of time if need be.

My understanding, from my time in and working with the US Military and my acquaintance with those inevitably weedy looking guys who were River Rats, SERE instructors, or Special Forces, is that body strength does not guarantee military efficiency and "go get'um" aggression from leadership tends to get a lot of people unnecessarily killed.

In Middle Ages, 10 year olds - be they shepherds or young nobles, were trained to take down charging boars, bears, and wolves on their own with a steady attitude and the right tools.
Isolated farmers have been recorded as being able to protect their farms by positioning themselves and families wisely and having the right tools, even if it's just a sling, a large bag of sharp rocks, and a small hand scythe

David can slay Goliath with skill, a chunk of granite and a bit of leather.

So, what is "Lethality", and what is the primary component to determine what makes anything optimally lethal.

I don't think one can define lethality, especially military lethality, as shallowly and simply as being the puncturing or explosive component or a large group of big, aggressive bodies that look scary in uniform.





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Serious question to all people with actual defense/combat training (Original Post) haele 4 hrs ago OP
Pete Kegbreath's notion of "lethality" seems to come from comic books and superhero movies. Ocelot II 4 hrs ago #1

Ocelot II

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1. Pete Kegbreath's notion of "lethality" seems to come from comic books and superhero movies.
Sat Jul 18, 2026, 11:29 AM
4 hrs ago

He's the skinny little boy reading the ad at the back of his Marvel comic about how Charles Atlas can make a man out of a 97-pound weakling in only 15 minutes a day. He desperately fears having sand kicked in his face by the big boys who steal his lunch money and stuff him in his locker.

Or maybe this, and with some of the same vibe:



It's hardly different from the behavior of males of many other species, who need to display their size and "lethality" to protect their territories and mates from other males. But, of course, humans don't need to be able to defeat each other in hand-to-hand combat any more; the reality is that you can be a 97-pound weakling and a skillful, lethal drone operator. But Pete and his ilk are still 12 years old developmentally, so they posture and strut like adolescent gorillas, watch superhero movies and build tree houses with signs that say No Girls Allowed.

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