Four dead after police standoff in Aurora, Colorado

[BainsBane]

AURORA, Colo. (AP) — A gunman barricaded inside his Colorado home fired shots at police from a second-story window before he was killed as SWAT officers stormed the home Saturday. Once inside, they found the bodies of three other adults, authorities said.
The suspect, whose name was withheld by police, held officers at bay for nearly six hours after neighbors reported gunfire at 3 a.m. inside the modest townhome in the Denver suburb of Aurora, said police Sgt. Cassidee Carlson. It wasn't known if officers shot the suspect or if he shot himself.
Investigators said two men and a woman appeared to have been killed before officers arrived.
The suspect shot at police who approached the front of the home with an armored vehicle and who fired tear gas around 8:15 a.m. He was killed when he fired at officers from the second-story window about 45 minutes later, Carlson said.

http://news.yahoo.com/4-dead-police-standoff-colo-townhome-165923693.html

How do you suppose this would have turned out if the guy had had a knife?

[cantbeserious]

1. A Lot Differently - Then Again We All Understand This - However, The NRA Will Be Pleased

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[krispos42]

2. Probably the same.

Well, maybe SWAT would have been able to capture him alive for a trial.

[BainsBane]

3. really?

like the guy who took a knife into the Chinese school and INJURED a bunch of children but killed none. Is lying to yourself how you manage to get through the day? You may convince yourself, but no one else buys it.

[krispos42]

4. Man grabs butcher knife, randomly slits the throats of the woman and the two men.

Walks up behind them, clamps a hand over their throats, and slits their throat. One at a time. No big deal, if you're determined and detached. Especially if they're sleeping.

A largish cable tie would make an excellent garrotte, as well.

[BainsBane]

5. great, then you don't need guns at all

They serve no unique purpose. Arms can include knives. That covers your Second Amendment rights. Problem solved.

[MightyMopar]

6. I keep hearing the meme that police won't be able to disarm gun owners when the ban comes

But they always succeed when they are called on to do it.

[krispos42]

7. Non sequitur

Try again.

[BainsBane]

8. It follows precisely

If guns make no material difference in self defense or assault, you don't need them. You can't have it both ways. The faulty logic is not mine.

[krispos42]

9. I was talking about this specific situation.

You extrapolate this to all 310 million people in this country. Sorry.

[BainsBane]

10. yet you invoke that same excuse

for every act of gun violence. Now you backtrack.

[krispos42]

11. Guns are the tools of violence, not the cause of it.

This man wanted to kill three people. He didn't decide "hey, I have a gun, I guess I should go kill a few people". He decided "These three people must die to solve my problem", then he grabbed a weapon and did the deed.

[BainsBane]

12. They don't need to be the cause of it

Nuclear weapons aren't the cause of war, nor are missiles and conventional bombs, but they certainly make it far more deadly. Guns are efficient killing machines. They make killing easier and FAR more common. Their proliferation in this cultural signals a profound cultural sickness where evil prevails over humanity. And yes, I mean evil. There is no other way to describe a multi-billion dollar industry that profits from murder, and a culture that protects those profits above human life. We live in a culture steeped in violence, and guns are intrinsic to that.

Robb's post once again is appropriate: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2126312