Why I'm Pissed Off About the Rape Crew and Their Enabling Adults

[riqster]

http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/why-the-steubenville-rape-crew-case-stinks-to-high-heaven/

[bettyellen]

1. We can infer he wouldn't be angry or concerned if he had a son. That's fucked up.

[riqster]

3. I'd say inference is an over-used and over-rated technique.

I bust any of my students who use it incorrectly: as you have done.

[seabeyond]

4. or, he would use sister, son GF or YOUR daughter. we do not know. nt

[Marrah_G]

5. That's all you got from his post?

Really?

You read the whole thing and just came up with " We can infer he wouldn't be angry or concerned if he had a son. That's fucked up."

I think that's pretty fucked up.

[seabeyond]

6. i was curious myself, but then i figured it is more about, outrage should not be indicative of

having a daughter. one should just be outraged.... because of the inhumainity, violation, and abuse of it all.

[riqster]

7. Since the victim was a teenaged girl, the focus on daughters makes sense to me. (nt)

[bettyellen]

9. if he had only a son, by his own reasoning, he'd have no reason to care or blog about this crime.

[riqster]

11. This topic is too important and crucial to tolerate such rhetorical farce and foolishness.

You are trying to distract from the subject at hand - the rape and abuse perpetrated upon an innocent child. By so doing, you are helping those who are trying to cover the whole thing up. That is a reprehensible and revolting thing to do.

If you can't stay on topic, at least stop trying to sidetrack the rest of us who are hoping for justice for the victim in this case.

[bettyellen]

14. Get over yourself bossy pants. I am directly talking about this OP.

I'm not trying to distract from the subject or helping anyone coverup anything. That is a moronic leap to take.

You can ignore what I said- but it is patriarchal thinking to say , I'm concerned primarily because of my own family unit.
That's narrow minded selfish bullshit.

I'm glad he's on the right side now- but he should be questioning where he would be in all of this without the idea of his daughter, and how he was wrong to disregard the safety of his sisters, nieces, coworkers, etc for so very long.

[riqster]

16. It is distracting

Instead of addressing the topic of the OP, you are making inferences based upon no data.

Look at this thread - nothing but discussion on the blogger being insufficently feminist: not a word about the crime or the victim.

In my opinion, you are helping the abusers in Steubenville by changing the subject.

[bettyellen]

18. this is a thread about a blogger's statement, not the crime. go look in GD- there are three other

threads about the crime.

And this is not one of them. It's about a blog post about the crime. And I am commenting on the bloggers premise for the whole post. Pretty fucking OT, whether you approve or not.

[Lordquinton]

29. "That is a moronic leap to take."

sums up this whole sub-thread

[bettyellen]

10. the outrage comes only when he has a potential victim that is his responsibility to protect

I'm just saying it's a sad commentary that it took having a baby girl for some men to look at the issue seriously.

It reminded me of a poster here who wrongly assumed lesbians don't care about reproductive rights because they are (usually) not having sex with men. Completely misguided assumption. It's an "every man for himself" attitude that you're interested in caring for yourself and progeny, to the exclusion of every single woman out there.

I do think it's a bit messed up.

[seabeyond]

12. yes. i figured that is what you are saying. and sad that a man would get vocal because thinking

of daughter, and not just cause it is so horrid and warrants outrage from all. even those men without daughter.

but, i do not know that is the case. without daughters he can equally be outraged, we see too many men that are, and merely wrote daughters, cause hell, that is so close to the heart.

but, i get what you are saying.

i am going to assume the best, lol. i need it.

[bettyellen]

23. well, I also picked up on the fact his blog entry was a response to some who asked him why he even

cared to blog about the issue. That creeped me out a bit, and made me wonder what kind of jerky blog it was.
So there you go.

I feel slightly bad about hijacking the thread, but really my posts are more about the bloggers own words than the OPs are, so I don't feel that bad. LOL.

[seabeyond]

26. i caught that too. the initial starting of the blog was offensive in that respect, all by itself.

agreed.

[gollygee]

27. Eww

I didn't see that. I mean, my specific feeling of outrage is influenced by me imagining my daughters in this situation. I would certainly be just as outraged if I didn't have daughters, but the fact that I can imagine this happening to them really does get to me. I can see the blogger feeling the same. I can NOT understand how anyone could ask why anyone would even care! What? That's just horrible and sickening. The number of times I've felt literally ill about this whole Steubenville case is getting very high. Why would anyone not care? We are human beings who should be able to empathize with the victims of this horrific situation.

[bettyellen]

28. it's something I have picked up on lately, here and in real life.....

I've heard a lot of guys puzzled why anyone cares about anything that doesn't directly effect them. A lot of guys assuming feminists are out purely for women, and not for social justice. Or saying lesbians don't advocate for women's reprodcutive rights, LOL. Ignorance. And quite a few guys admitting they never thought about sexism hurting anyone till they had a daughter. Very rarely, their partners, but often, their daughters.

I was conversing with one guy here about how I had worked with human rights advocates in Northern Ireland a while back, and after meeting the fourth group, we noticed it was all women even though it would more directly and frequently help men. The guys reaction was not to respond to my question- which was- why aren't more men working to end their violence? It was to argue, off topic, that this is why women make less money (volunteerism).

I add this all lack of empathy expressed to me together and have to wonder if some men are conditioned to be more selfish and short term in their thinking. I just don't get how they can be blind to the concerns of half the population and still expect to be happy themselves. I just don't get it.

[riqster]

22. I can't speak for the blogger, but

I am a male who was raped repeatedly from ages 4-10. I have no issue with his focus on his daughters: I got what he said.

If anyone on earth should be pissed off that the blogger didn't mention sons, it would be me. But, unlike you, I appreciate a parent wanting children to be safe.

I have been ex-ac-tly where that poor teenaged girl is at now. Abused, betrayed, abandoned, and left to twist in the wind. And let me tell you, people like you do not help people like her and I. Hifalutin logic-chopping, baseless assumptions and sloppy inferential reasoning does not heal our wounds, provide us justice, or help us deal with the nightmares. (Yes, I still have them, 50+ years later.)

I take your posts personally, because I would have loved for someone to speak up for me back when I was being sexually abused. No one did. And even if this bluntandcranky person isn't perfect, he at least gives a shit about the victims of sexual violence. And I appreciate that. And the fact that you do not tells me more about you than him.

[bettyellen]

25. I am truly sorry for what happened to you. It is awful that your family did not protect you.

But I am only commenting on this blog post. I'm not ready to bless every word from anyone who posts about this stuff.
This guy has commenters asking him why he even cares at all. That is freaky offensive to me. I wonder who the fuck these people are to even put this question to him.
Sorry if I offended you, but it's not cool with me that men feel comfortably off the hook about this shit until they have daughters. I think it's a sucky selfish attitude and it leaves others thinking it's okay to spend your life looking the other way.

[bettyellen]

8. I think it's fucked up he admits he's upset because he has a daughter never considered any other

girl or woman in his life too. What is that about? I'm not saying he's fucked up per se, but that it's messed up guys do not consider these things until it hits THAT close to home. Their sisters, nieces and cousins never gave them a concern, but "their" daughters do.

I am reminded of Will Pitt, recently having a come to jesus moment about sexist shit on DU. It's been here for years, and he most frequently ignored it... but now he is having a daughter and he finally does a big OP. I bet Will would be a little embarrassed to admit he'd still be silent and unconcerned if he was having a son. As would this blogger. Just food for thought.

[riqster]

13. You think that everything is a blogger's life can fit in one post?

What a fool you are. People have a limited amount of space and time into which place a focused thought. What you see is what they choose to fit into a blog post, and is not everything they think, feel, or care about.

[bettyellen]

15. he said the reason he is concerned "is simple: “daughters”. '

You continue to ignore DU TOS and engage in direct insults and false accusations instead of engaging on the subject at hand, I'm considering your posts a worthless waste of bandwidth.


“Why, Mr. Blunt and Cranky, why are you hugely hacked off about the recent news of rape, conspiracy, and cover-up coming out of Steubenville, Ohio?” is a question that has been put to this blogger over the past few days. And a reasonable question it is, given how much else is wrong in the world these days.

The answer is simple: “daughters”. "


He's protecting his own, and nothing more. Sorry if I don't feel like he deserves a huge slap on the back for finally considering women's concerns on this issue.

[riqster]

17. He is at least talking about the crime and the abuse

You are distracting discussion from the very real crimes by bashing the blogger. Excuse me for not patting you on the back.

[bettyellen]

19. and I find it sad that he'd otherwise show no interest, and has to explain/ defend his concern to

readers. It appears this was a response to people writing in, asking why he gave a rats ass. Sad people have to ask, and answer these kinds of questions.

[riqster]

20. Another assumption. You evidently don't know what they say about "assume". (nt)

[bettyellen]

21. I assumed you read the post: "why are you hugely hacked off about the recent news of rape, ..."

He was addressing readers asking "reasonably" why he even cared. Again, sad.
But not as sad as your total fail at reading blog entires that you post.
Seriously dude, get a grip on that shit!


'“Why, Mr. Blunt and Cranky, why are you hugely hacked off about the recent news of rape, conspiracy, and cover-up coming out of Steubenville, Ohio?” is a question that has been put to this blogger over the past few days. And a reasonable question it is'

[peacebird]

2. I agree with bluntandcranky.

No one should be abused like that. Those who saw and laughed it off, or otherwise did nothing to stop this are guilty as well.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

24. I can see where bluntandcranky is going here.

For many Fathers of daughters, this is there nightmare. The thought of something like this happening to one’s daughter is scarier than facing a demon of hell. What happened in Steubenville has and should upset all of us, fathers are right now looking at their daughters and all those nightmare they have about not being there to protect them are right there for them to see on TV and papers.

When a daughter is placed in the arms of a father that is the only way they can see her in the back of their minds. When it is time for that young lady to spread her wings, he will still see her as that small little thing that the Doctor handed him. He will also remember what he was like before he became a father.

This crime is the nightmare of nightmares for a father. And a father of a daughter will look at this far different than we without daughters will. The Blogger is talking from his point of view. If he did not, I would believe that he would still see this as horrific as we do. But with him being a father of daughters, he has another view point, one that scares the daylights out of him.

[Dreamer Tatum]

30. Wow...brave stand against rape.

I salute you for your principled anti-rape stance.