Freepers are planning to fire upon police officers and the military--this is some scary and

[Mrs. Overall]

threatening talk. God, I hope none of my rural neighbors are this f*ed in the head. On Edit: this is their response to what Biden said about an Executive Order regarding gun control.

Begins Here:

To: Windflier
I believe that’s up to the individual...and the odds of actually living through it and not spending the rest of your life at someplace like Gitmo. Do you really want to kill some cop or military member that may have a family and is just obeying his CO? I don’t how I would feel firing at someone wearing the same uniform I once did.


7 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:46:30 AM by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.&quot
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To: Windflier
I will fire upon any government representative who attempts to usurp my liberty, even if that means my own death. I have no problem saying it. My soul is prepared.


6 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:46:02 AM by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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7 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:46:30 AM by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.&quot
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To: rarestia
Me too. While I do not wish to die, I have no fear of death. I do fear being starved to death in one of obama’s camps to the extent that if faced with either being killed or voluntarily going to one of obama’s camps, I will die resisting.


11 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:52:31 AM by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If 30 cops and a SWAT team show up to take your guns will you fight knowing you can’t win? Or do you go along and live to fight another day? I can always get more guns.
There are bad cops and they should be resisted. However a bad cop’s word will most likely be taken as valid over a citizen.


12 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:53:47 AM by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Windflier
There is nothing left of the Republicans in the House or the Senate to avoid a full civil war. The communists training within the American people and the complete system will force what is left to fight. Lock and load. Confiscate of our weapons will result in a total loss of civilian control and we will slip into a total dictatorship.

14 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:53:59 AM by Logical me
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To: Secret Agent Man
I agree, taking another’s life is relative.


15 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:54:32 AM by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.&quot
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To: stuartcr
Do you really want to kill some cop or military member that may have a family and is just obeying his CO?
It's not a matter of wanting to. No one does, but having to. Do you think this theoretical discussion is any different than the actuality that happened to the Jews in Nazi Germanny? The russian citizens who were takes to die in the gulags? The Armenians who were sent on forced death marches in Turkey? The intellectuals taken to their deaths in Cambodia? I wonder if you could ask them the same question what their answers would be.
And BTW the Nuremburg trials established that following orders is no excuse even for military. It is far less of an excuse for police. They can just quit with no consequences if they don't like their orders. They wont be shot for desertion. I'm guessing that most of them won't have any problem with following those orders, and therefore there should be no moral dilemma about shooting them.

19 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:58:16 AM by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: rfreedom4u
I have a better idea. Somewhere on your land you have an underground safe spot to hide your guns and ammo. I have six acres of land. Good luck to the hick town cops if they try and find them, which they won’t.
“Sorry sir, I lost that Saiga rifle in a boating accident.”


20 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:58:46 AM by TheRhinelander
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To: stuartcr
Do you really want to kill some cop or military member that may have a family and is just obeying his CO?
If a man has made the conscious choice to aid and abet a tyrannical government by acting as its jackbooted thug, then I say, yes. He willingly chose to strip me of my God-given rights, and I will strip him of his life for that mistake.

21 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:59:10 AM by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rfreedom4u
I have a number of weapons and lots of ammunition at my house. If 30 cops and a SWAT team really wanted to, I might last 5 minutes...after my house and myself were riddled with holes, I wonder how long my neighbors would hold out and what they would say a month later about my valiant stand?


28 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:03:13 AM by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.&quot
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To: rfreedom4u
As soon as the confiscation starts, groups are going to form. SWAT teams and others will be engaged in the open field. Being that most are trained at dynamic entry, they will be at a disadvantage.


29 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:03:13 AM by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Windflier
The only question I have is who has my back. I would not give up my guns no matter what - they would literally be pried from my cold dead fingers. But after that what?
If one tries to prearrange backup you are trying to form a “militia” and get raided. Neighbors can always say they will back you but will they really? After they see the jack boots kill you and burn your house, will the neighbors stand and watch or will they snipe from the roof tops?
I have been quietly arranging my own backup. Nothing in writing, nothing in concrete. My guns have all been sold and hidden away. We practice in private, and discuss in private. Nothing in writing, nothing electronic.
I can only count on a handful of close associates and hope that there are similar small groups forming as all this gun control process works itself out.
Should my neighbors come under attack, I would certainly back them up, but I am not sure about the reverse.


43 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:21:26 AM by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: montanajoe
The question I always have when this debate comes up is how will they find them... Guns..what guns?
People who don't understand that the whole purpose for owning guns, is to have the means to resist tyranny, crack me up with talk of 'hiding' their weapons.
What exactly is the purpose of keeping your weapons if you're not willing to kill the agents of tyranny with them?

54 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:32:49 AM by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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o: stuartcr
“Do you really want to kill some cop or military member that may have a family and is just obeying his CO?”
Funny, why do you not direct that question at him? If he is perfectly willing to do so to me, (demonstrated by his presence in an unconstitutional raid) yes, i would light him up. An order to violate the clearly written rights of Americans is an illegal order. At that moment, he becomes a nazi, or an NKVD agent if he complies. If he is worthy of the uniform he wears, he has a clear, well-understood, legal duty to disobey, with force if needed. Mi Lai is a fine example. Such orders need not be obeyed, and soldiers may use force to stop them.
I feel more sorry for my family than his. He is the one who came to my door looking for a fight. The Nuremburg defense “just following orders” was wrong then, and wrong now.

58 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:37:33 AM by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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[SummerSnow]

1. Totally insane

[arcane1]

2. Sounds like masturbatory fantasies to me n/t

[Sheepshank]

21. ...while shooting themselves in the foot.

so much idiotic bravado over something they 'imagine' is going to happen

[DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav]

25. That's exactly what it is. A fantasy. Just as they didn't put up a fight when their right to

peacefully assemble was taken, their right to privacy, their right to travel unimpeded, their right to a trial and so on. They sat and did nothing while their rights were stolen away, just as all of us have. They wont even protest let alone fight a gun battle.

The truth is, no one one either side of the isle cares. It's all about getting fat and watching sports. All long as we have those things we don't give a damn. Neither side will protest in mass.

We're all a bunch of blow hard keyboard warriors living in fantasy land. Their side just has a little more violent fantasy is all.

[Blue_Tires]

40. +1....nothing to see here

they've had that rhetoric for as long as I can remember now...

[HooptieWagon]

54. Yep. 99% of them are full of hot air.

And of the 1% who might actually act out their fantasies...I'm sure Agent Mike is keeping an eye on them.

[Nay]

59. Agreed. If they were so damn interested in their 'freedums,' they would have come out

shooting when the election was stolen in 2000/Gitmo was opened/Iraq war started/etc.

[frylock]

61. yep. these jagoffs would be shitting their pants when the man comes a knockin..

yessir, mister officer sir. whatever you say, sir. authoritarians are incapable disobeying orders.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Sometimes

Stuff is posted at Freepland and I truly think they are all pulling a joke on us. No one can be that freaking off their rocker AND a productive member of society. No way! No how! And that's why we need to send them alllllllllllllllll to one of these "Obama Camps" of which they speak!

If these 'camps' exist them Obama is doing a piss poor job of rounding these idiots up and removing them from the general population that has an overwhelming need for things to make SENSE!

[WinkyDink]

4. What FOX//Murdoch has wrought.

[NeedleCast]

5. Internet Heroes

I don't doubt that a handful of them might follow through, but not most. I had a Facebook "friend" that was a looney-tune right winger who constantly advocated for "rising up" against Obama and taking him down by any means necessary and all the other fringe nutter crazy talk you see. I often asked her why she was posting incitement for others to go do these things on Facebook and not taking action herself. Never got an answer.

Big wind blows hard.

[Comrade Grumpy]

6. Big talk from the keyboard commandos.

[superpatriotman]

7. Bunch of tough guys

It's folks like these who shouldn't have guns.

[abelenkpe]

49. My mom is a freeper and birther on the internets...

in reality she's a 65 year old middle class suburban housewife. She also has lots of guns because y'know gotta protect oneself from tyrannical government.

So those tough guys might really be little old ladies.

[JaneyVee]

8. Expected coming from those looney's.

[Aerows]

9. Freepers have been plotting shit for years

Instances where they actually did something other than talk big: 0.

[mattclearing]

34. Timothy McVeigh might disagree if he was still alive. n/t

[Andy823]

35. I agree

It makes them feel tough to talk like this, but if swat showed up at their door they would crap their pants, at least the vast majority would. I do think there might be some total wackos that would fight, but most of these morons wouldn't have a clue as to what to do if confronted by armed police or military.

It's kind of like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh, full of BS and scared of their own shadow!

[Aerows]

50. All hat

and no cattle pretty much describes your average loudmouth Freeper.

[Rex]

10. What do you expect from incredibly stupid people?

These are Foxnews zombies. The most uninformed group of idiots this side of the planet. Their delusions are grand.

[rightsideout]

11. What a bunch of paranoid whackos

There must be some DNA anomaly these folks share or something is not right in their brain. Control issues, paranoia, whatever.

I bet most of them are middle-aged or older white males with a temper. Seems to be a common theme among those Americans arming themselves to the hilt for the imaginary government take over. They should be more concerned about cancer, heart disease or an ATV accident taking them down.

[2naSalit]

19. Oh, there's enough young braindamaged ones around here

I think it's all that Mountain Dew they drink all day followed by hours of beer consumption after dark.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

12. They are loudmouths like the nihilists in the Big Lebowski

All fucking talk.

Fucking cowards.

[Aerows]

48. Exactly

I fear the butterflies in my backyard drifting around flowers more than I fear those fools. They would piss their pants rather than "rise up". "Rising up" to them means someone else shedding the blood in their name.

[Fire Walk With Me]

13. WITHOUT condoning or agreeing with them or anything they've written, there are some points to be

considered.

Police are not our friends.

They protect the rich, the banks, oppress the poor and homeless. There are some good cops but they are Rare and they sure don't seem to speak out against their egregious co-workers. "Police" is a self-defending gang.

Marching with Occupy against the actual criminals in the country, I've been assaulted by police as have my fellows, who have also been bloodied, falsely arrested, given multiple felonies at police and proscecutor's whim. For 1st Amendment protest against real, actual criminals. I've seen police break multiple laws and then snatch people who were looking the other way, charging them with felonies.

If you stand at an intersection with a bullhorn, flyers, and fellows, no cops whatsoever. March upon a bank and they break out the less-lethal shotguns. You may have seen several photos of this on DU; you may have read my many posts on these issues here on DU, including video of what I describe.

There is a video I've posted here, something on the order of "Arrested for trying to file a police report?" which shows a man approaching several police stations simply asking to file a report. Over and over, he met with resistance ranging from verbal to threat of arrest to one who implied he'd be shot. Not kidding about any of this. Search DU and find it.

Things in the US are NOT going the way of the Constitution. NOT NOT NOT. Sometimes you have to be up close to notice it, because much somehow fails (AHEM) to make it onto the mainstream news (or if it does, it's context shifted to demonize the victim).

Check this please:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2162410

I do not condone violence or murder, but I AM frightened by the course this country is having forced upon it.

[Archae]

14. Nothing but big talkers.

The first second these wannabe Rambos see the military and/or police SWAT firepower aimed in their direction, they'll doa dump in their pants and surrender.

[Gato Moteado]

15. i hope that after reading those posts in freepville....

...the military and the cops go to each of their houses to arrest them and end up literally prying their guns from their cold, dead, freeptard hands.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. They'll all be in "time-out" when Mom gets home from work

She doesn't like them playing on the 'puter while she's away.

[malaise]

17. Bye Bye Freepers

I will not be a weeper.
Darwin rules. He takes out the stupid.

[Aristus]

18. Typical "Red Dawn" wishful thinking and delusion.

My 2 cents: Get a life, Freepers, and stop daydreaming about taking the lives of others...

Losers...

[Arkansas Granny]

20. The words that come to my mind when reading these replies are flaming, batshit crazy.

I think this is mostly hot air and they would shit themselves if they were ever called upon to back up their words with real action. The anonymity of a keyboard can be a wonderful thing when you are trying to talk tough.

[GoneOffShore]

22. The first one says "My soul is prepared."

My question immediately was: What soul?

[Fumesucker]

23. WOLVERINES!!!!1!1!1 n/t

[all american girl]

32. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kestrel91316]

24. I am getting sick to death of these people who see guns, and ONLY guns, as

the solution to every single little problem in life.

[Politicub]

26. Just wow. Sheer insanity.

These people clearly detest their country.

[rustydog]

27. Tough talk from the safety of the web

each one is about as tough as Bill O'rally. Rants and raves, threatens and screams but you never see any action...hummm

[kysrsoze]

28. Sheesh, what a bunch of fuckin' loser crybabies. Liberty? Whatever.

They ALWAYS confuse Democrats with their own neo-Nazi party.

[Chorophyll]

29. Predictable, really.

Let 'em fap away at their keyboards.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. Oh, FFS, does anybody take these twerps seriously?

Really. Mommy's basement revolutionary hero wannabes who'd wet their Underoos and roll into a sobbing, slobbering little ball of cowardice if any of their insane fantasies every actually came to pass.

[cbrer]

31. To: Windflier

Have you ever heard of the expression "Pissing in the wind?"

[Shrike47]

33. There are a bunch of them calling the Lars Larson show this afternoon.

They see government confiscation of guns as imminent and so does Larson. It's all amazingly paranoid.

[samsingh]

36. first off Obama does not have any starvation camps

and if he did, their pidly firearms wouldn't do much.

anyone can say anything. how many would actually stand a chance if not completely break down shaking in fear when well armed swat units appeared

[Zoeisright]

37. Where was this? This should go to the FBI.

https://tips.fbi.gov/

[eltopomaravilloso]

38. This is my first post.

I would like to be clear, however, that I am in favor of banning all handguns and most rifles. I am also fine with guns being confiscated from people who think like the people in this post.

[uppityperson]

41. Welcome and I am curious about your name. Enlighten me as to what type? Thanks and welcome

[eltopomaravilloso]

43. It is the name of a children's book I saw in Mexico.

Not much else to it.

[uppityperson]

44. Thanks for the reply. I was wondering if naked mole rat or star mole or just plain old one.

[Agschmid]

46. Welcome, good first post. n/t

[abelenkpe]

51. Welcome to DU

[HughBeaumont]

39. "Stay home and eat all the frigging CHIPS, Kip!"

"Obama's camps" . . . . fuck a bunch, lay off the homemade meth . . .

[rrneck]

42. Meh. nt

[nc4bo]

45. Well at least the Feds know where they are, who they are, what they're planning

and all that good stuff and if they didn't, they certainly do now.

Bless their hearts....

[Buns_of_Fire]

47. "...what they would say a month later about my valiant stand?"

Probably "What an asshole."

I take it these people have never heard of Randy Weaver or Ruby Ridge. Right or wrong, these things tend to have a pretty predictable outcome.

But they're so cute when they're lying on the floor pounding their feet and holding their breath until they turn red, white, and blue in the face.

[graham4anything]

52. Let's bring back the great Janet Reno & make her head of the department to stop these loons!

she did the right thing at Waco, and she would do the right thing again.

there is a penalty for treason and attempted coup'd'etats.

[Veridicus]

53. A video that fell across my path today

We have made lots of progress towards our goals, but sooner or later we have to address the big issues. Gun control, and realistically outright gun confiscation, will be a big issue that tests our resolve. We cannot allow the right wing nuts to have them, just look at this gun nut. Anyone that owns a gun is willing take take another persons life, frankly they are planning on it when they buy a gun, we must remove that opportunity.

[patrice]

55. Alcohol and drugs (& I don't mean cannabis). I hope our government is smart enough NOT to give them

what they are asking for, because I maintain that they don't really want it, most of them anyway and the ones who do, I expect we'll hear from them sooner or later anyway, no matter how much the rest of us try to adjust to them.

These people are literally stoned on saying stuff on the internet.

[davidn3600]

56. What needs to end is this bullshit about executive orders

I know its frustrating with the GOP obstructing things...but we have elections for a reason. If you don't like Congress, change congress. Don't demand the president to trample the bill of rights and the constitution.

The idea that we are going to bypass congress to ban firearms is borderline tyranny. That goes against the very reasons this country even exists today.

You can't do that crap in this country. We are not a dictatorship. We are a nation of laws and there is a process for how laws are created. If the votes are not there, then the law does not pass. I'm sorry but you have to live with that if you want to live in a democratic country. Not everything is going to go your way.

[2naSalit]

62. How do you figure that?

The presidency has had that power for a very long time and it is a power afforded him in the Constitution. In fact, in case you weren't aware, EVERYTHING that happens with regard to laws concerning Native Americans can only be handled by way of three legal mechanisms afforded in the Constitution: An Act of Congress, a Judicial Decree from the SCOTUS or an Executive Order from the President, period. Executive Order is one of the "checks/balances" that exist to to by-pass a tyrannical Congress. Trust me, the current House has no interest in doing the Peoples' business as long as Obama is in office and in order for anything to be done, there will likely be a need for this on this particular issue. It's not like he's planning to go around and collect people's guns, that's a crock of poo generously served by the RW insanity faction, just look at them! And their mouthpieces like Flush Rimjob and his ilk... all fearmongering imbeciles with a microphone screaming fire in a crowded theater.

And how many times were there riots and sniper activity when W used and abused this power nearly every other week sending us to needless wars and taking our freedoms away? Do you know how many time Obama has used the EO in comparison to W?

[Arkana]

57. If they do that there won't be any of them left.

They'll all either be dead or imprisoned.

What do they think--the cops and the military are suddenly going to "see the light" and turn traitor on the US government? No--they're going to do their jobs and bring in these pathetic excuses for domestic terrorists.

And that's what they are--armchair domestic terrorists.

[1StrongBlackMan]

58. Amazingly ...

a couple of posters seem to have a grasp of reality in that thread.

I, especially liked:

To: rfreedom4u
I have a number of weapons and lots of ammunition at my house. If 30 cops and a SWAT team really wanted to, I might last 5 minutes...after my house and myself were riddled with holes, I wonder how long my neighbors would hold out and what they would say a month later about my valiant stand?

It stopped my laughing after reading the many "Today is a good day to die" posts.

To: rfreedom4u
As soon as the confiscation starts, groups are going to form. SWAT teams and others will be engaged in the open field. Being that most are trained at dynamic entry, they will be at a disadvantage.


29 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:03:13 AM by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! ...)

Then I read that and started laughing again ... dude has been watching wayyy too much SWAT TV and played Black OP 61, wayyy too many times.

[Boomerproud]

60. Free Vulcan's sig line is "Vote Republican?"?????

Who the hell authored the Patriot Act you numbskull?

[2naSalit]

63. Geezus I really wish they'd teach civics in grade school again

by the fifth grade so clowns like these will have a half a clue!

The ones to really worry about are the ones that aren't spouting online.