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Open Carry Gun-Toting Mom Shot Dead
By Benner January 9, 2013 23:01
What does Wayne LaPierre have to say about this?
A mother of three who became a voice of the gun-rights movement when she openly carried a loaded pistol to her daughters soccer game was fatally shot along with her husband, a parole officer and former prison guard, in an apparent murder-suicide at their home.
http://www.alan.com/2013/01/09/open-carry-gun-toting-mom-shot-dead/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33220258/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/gun-toting-soccer-mom-found-shot-dead/#.UO7iSndaYqf
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Huh.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)on the other hand . . .
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)"Let's move on. Forget the past. Nothing to see here."
Yeah. We've heard it.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)idiocy--and I do think that the Alan Colmes is an idiot--he's missed the ball on why this shooting deserves a second look, however:
The two people involved in the shooting were suing the local sherriff for revoking her gun permit. This was a pretty serious lawsuit, and although it eventually got tossed, the town and the LEOs involved had to pay legal fees and spend time dealing with it. This woman ran a daycare out of her home--and alleged that the bad publicity had ruined her business and given her emotional stress.
This lawsuit was used to great effect by the rightwing--as an example of what gunners could do to "fight back" against LEOs. I actually think that's the more important issue, rather than the circumstances of her death which are ironic, and horrifying.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)an OP that goes to the very heart of the nra message.
You got something to add to it, something that will extend the message - that would be fine. But a snark about when this happened as if that makes the event non-meaningful is just snarkary.
Show me the places where the OP suggests this has just happened. Tell me how it happening three years ago means that the nra is right.
obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)How does the date affect the point the OP was making?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You may supply us with the precise relevance of the date this happened, yes? Or is this simply a petulant derailment of the larger point?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)circumstances because of the lawsuit the murder victim had going on, rather than the grim details of her death. Alan Colmes is rather good at conveniently missing the point, is he not? I guess being a Fox shill never grows old.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)in your original attack on the OP. It was only when pressed that you found a desire to defend you silly snark.
obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)And why what happened is relevant now.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)the context of the lawsuit, and a more detailed look at the crime is particularly helpful. She wasn't shot with her own gun--he husband shot her with a licensed handgun registered to him. Her gun--the one she wore for protection, was found in a backpack, loaded, by her front door. She was shot while on webcam with a friend, with her children in the house. She had at one point sought a order of protection, but hadn't followed through. The circumstances are tragic and appalling---and three years old. It's one more death among thousands and thousands.
What I think is far more important is that the lawsuit continued by her estate, which originated when her permit was revoked, was funded and furthered by the rightwing.
Mr. Colmes was a sloppy, token liberal on Fox--he's no better now.
GaYellowDawg
(4,447 posts)... that gun control discussion in the immediate aftermath of a shooting is inappropriate? So if you can't discuss gun control right after, and 3 years renders a shooting irrelevant, what's the window?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)shooting, as oppposed to the lawsuit the murder victim had going (which I mention above) is missing the point.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)then why keep clogging up the thread with stuff you say you don't know anything about.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)And that's all I'll say about these folks.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)"bad guys" or to protect against "gov't tyranny". All that nebulous rage, leads to paranoia, ends up manifesting itself in shootings like these. I've had friends get into guns and I just stopped talking to them because it was all they'd ever want to talk about. You read the comments in the local paper's website and every comment is some violent bullshit like "blow his brains out". The guns may be "inanimate objects," but the attitudes they engender their owners with are some dangerous shit.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Murder-Suicide.
Hanging out with someone you probably trust and getting killed by them and equating that somehow with the person carrying a gun to a soccer game.
Of course, no person did this - only guns hurt people (who is adam lanza and why did he kill those people? Who knows or cares, on DU we all know the guns were to blame so we don't talk about the perp).
Anti-gun folks on the left are like the anti-abortion folks on the right at times, no point in discussing things as their religion dictates their choices for them.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Meleanie Hain's loaded pistol -- with a bullet ready in the chamber -- was in a backpack hanging from the front door.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Anti-gun folks on the left are like the anti-abortion folks on the right at times..."
I imagine that's a convenient and self-validating way to minimize and trivialize the opinions of those who perceive the irony of Sacred Cows. Maybe a cross to hang from, too...?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Meleanie Hain's loaded pistol -- with a bullet ready in the chamber -- was in a backpack hanging from the front door.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/melanie-hain-gun-carrying_n_315291.html
Given that the husband was a prison guard, she didn't have much chance to defend herself.
Aristus
(66,369 posts)For gun enthusiasts, 'natural causes' must be a source of shame...
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Some anti-gun people probably had emotion orgasms. Apparently they still do.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)GUN SHE WOULD STILL BE HERE, oh crap i told myself i'd stay out of these discussion after the last had an unfortunate ending, for me.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)More guns. More guns. Drool. More guns.
They should be sutured to hour hands at birth. I mean, logic tell us that more funs and bullets means fewer people shot. Duh.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Well, that would change things, wouldn't it?
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Keith Ratliff was shot and killed also - the FPSRussia YouTube King -
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/professed-gun-nut-keith-ratliff-found-fatally-shot-head-article-1.1237250
I guess the law of averages is working as well as the guns.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)rustydog
(9,186 posts)"...Meleanie Hain always carried her holstered 9mm Glock pistol, even to the grocery store, and was holding a rifle while she talked to someone outside her house last week, Fortna said.
"I'm shocked at the whole thing," Fortna said. "I'm surprised she didn't defend herself."
Introducing guns into the mix DOES NOT GUARANTEE the "good guy" will win against the "bad guy".
The NRA openly claims it is the ONLY solution.
Studies show that Hain was destined for this fate. Sad, too sad.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)as it does with a more recent account of another gun enthusiast found shot to death:
Unless you're perpetually walking around literally ready to shoot someone at a second's notice, you're dead if they get the jump on you.
That's why 4 armed, on-duty cops were killed up here in the Northwest a few years ago.
If someone with the intent to kill sees you before you see them, you're dead.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)We need bigger guns
napkinz
(17,199 posts)obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)It was a domestic violence episode that ended in murder and suicide.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)be used on a member living in the house than protecting the life of one living in the house.
In addition it shows how easily anyone can snap and become mentally unstable. Her husband was a trained professional who probably had undergone psychiatric evaluations to obtain his employment and gun and yet in an instant he became a murderer. A good reason teachers and the rest of the public do not need to be armed at all times. People are not mentally stable at all times.