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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-12/f-35-marine-model-stress-testing-halted-over-cracks.htmlDurability testing on the most complicated version of Lockheed Martin Corp.s (LMT) F-35 was halted last month after multiple cracks were discovered in the fighter jet, according to the Pentagons testing office.
The previously undisclosed halt in high-stress ground testing involves the F-35B, the Marine Corps' version that must withstand short takeoffs and landings on carriers and amphibious warfare vessels, according to an annual report on the F-35 that Defense Department testing chief Michael Gilmore sent to Congress yesterday. Flight testing wasnt affected.
Development of the F-35, the Pentagons costliest weapons system, has been marked by delays and cost increases. The Pentagon estimates the total cost for development and production of 2,443 F-35s will be $395.7 billion, a 70 percent increase since the initial contract with Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed Martin was signed in 2001.
Durability testing is intended to stress an airframe, assessing its capability to achieve a projected aircraft lifetime of 8,000 equivalent flight hours.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)bobclark86
(1,415 posts)would put just shy of 8 million kids through a state university (assuming $50k each).
That would pay for 8 Hurricane Sandy relief efforts.
That money could buy 5.2 million Habitat for Humanity homes.
That money would cover the property taxes at the Oswego (NY) City School District for a couple thousand years.
It would also buy the Army about 200 million new rifles, assuming we actually needed such things.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Our aging and vulnerable electrical grid.
Our roads and bridges.
Our internet.
Our health care system.
marmar
(77,084 posts)....... Not that we ever really could.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Other countries are canceling their orders.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014366865
2on2u
(1,843 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)is that each branch wants its own Cadillac version of this warplane. The fact that the most expensive model is being designed for the Marine Corps is disturbing. Another aspect is the super plane, one size fits all, does everything development, that has never yet worked. The military currently has a stable of aircraft capable of any mission this craft is designed to do against any foe in the conceivable future.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)That would be the same across all branches, thus saving money on parts and maintenance.
Really not working out, at all.
caraher
(6,278 posts)The '60s version of the same rationale - in the end it was just an Air Force bomber
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)The propulsion guts and flight controls are different, even though it looks the same.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)have the Harrier, which is a proven aircraft and may explain why they are planning to buy 70 refurbished and updated ones as a hedge against further delays or possible cancellation of the F-35C.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)The basic problem is that if you carry enough propulsion equipment to do vertical takeoff and landing, you no longer have enough weight budget to carry a heavy load of armaments and/or fuel to give a reasonable combat radius.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)performed with distinction in Iraq and Afghanistan, providing the close air support for which they were designed. Unless we are planning a war with Russia or China, I see no need for the F-35C. I think the money could be better spent.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)plans to replace both these aircraft with the F-35 was wise, especially the Warthog.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)Nothing like a plane when they designed the gun and the cockpit armor FIRST, and then designed the plane AROUND them . Add two of everything (engines, tail fins, wing spars) and make it so tough you can shoot an engine and half a wing OFF the plane and it will still fly home -- and be fixable.
The Russians ain't got nothing like it (The Su-25 is similar, but not as tough). It is the perfect ground attack and close support aircraft.
The only way you make it better is either a) get the pilot out and make it unmanned, or b) stop going to war.
Separation
(1,975 posts)Durability testing is intended to stress an airframe, assessing its capability to achieve a projected aircraft lifetime of 8,000 equivalent flight hours.
Wow this is interesting. Its only expected to get a projected lifetime of 8000 hours? Hopefully this is wrong, or 8000hrs is where there will be an airframe lifetime mod to extend those hours. 8000hrs is nothing.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)That doesn't take into account the cost of pilots, training, fuel, maintenance, etc,
n2doc
(47,953 posts)We can't afford heating oil subsidies for our poorest elderly. We can't afford to continue manned ocean exploration. We can't afford to repair our infrastructure. We can't afford to fund colliders, telescopes and space probes to improve our understanding of the Universe. Our brightest scientists write 10 proposals for research into diseases and how our cells operate, to the National Institutes of Health, in the hopes of getting 1 (maybe) funded. But we can 'afford' this.
The real problem is that the MIC can afford to buy congressmen, while NASA, Universities, the elderly and others can't. Our government is completely corrupt.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Here's another money pit, the Littoral Combat Ship:
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http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/littoral-combat-ship/
I believe the cost, right now, is up to 1.8 billion per ship. Expected cost once the navy gets the 50ish they want will be about 700 million each.
Background: The Littoral Combat ship is designed to fight in the Littoral Zone, or close to shore. The navy wanted a new and improved warship capable of dealing with a variety of threats and missions in this dangerous environment. They wanted something fast, stealthy, and with a modular suite of weapons and accessories that could be swapped out depending upon the mission. Money, as always, was apparently no object.
What they have so far is are ships that are unbelievably expensive and that are literally falling apart in testing. Worse, if that's even possible, the ships themselves are grossly underarmed, vulnerable to bascially everything, and so expensive that no one would dare put one anywhere near the shore in the first place. It's an expensive toy. An increadibly expensive toy.
As is the F35.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defence
than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." Martin Luther King, Jr.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defence
than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)The future is already here, and putting a pilot into an airframe is no longer part of it.
Enormous waste of money that benefits only a few, and does nothing to make this country safer in any way.
cbrer
(1,831 posts)F-35 software integration testing had to be halted due to linked helmet software development and testing failure.
This boondoggle is just the waste we KNOW about. DOD never gives up all its secrets.