Sandy Hook "Truthers" Harrassing Man Who Protected Children

[kpete]

...the extreme right cannot deal with reality so they invent a new one and start harrassing decent people.

TUESDAY, JAN 15, 2013 04:45 AM PST
This man helped save six children, is now getting harassed for it
Gene Rosen sheltered six kids during the Sandy Hook massacre. Now he's become a target of conspiracy theorists

“I don’t know what to do,” sighed Gene Rosen. “I’m getting hang up calls, I’m getting some calls, I’m getting emails with, not direct threats, but accusations that I’m lying, that I’m a crisis actor, ‘how much am I being paid’?” Someone posted a photo of his house online. There have been phony Google+ and YouTube accounts created in his name, messages on white supremacist message boards ridiculing the “emotional Jewish guy,” and dozens of blog posts and videos “exposing” him as a fraud. One email purporting to be a business inquiry taunted: “How are all those little students doing? You know, the ones that showed up at your house after the ‘shooting’. What is the going rate for getting involved in a gov’t sponsored hoax anyway?”


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What did Rosen do to deserve this? One month ago, he found six little children and a bus driver at the end of the driveway of his home in Newtown, Connecticut. “We can’t go back to school,” one little boy told Rosen. “Our teacher is dead.” He brought them inside and gave them food and juice and toys. He called their parents. He sat with them and listened to their shocked accounts of what had happened just down the street inside Sandy Hook Elementary, close enough that Rosen heard the gunshots.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/15/this_man_helped_save_six_children_is_now_getting_harassed_for_it/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/15/1179111/-Sandy-Hook-Truthers-Harrassing-Man-Who-Protected-Children

[lunasun]

1. this is our country now????

[cpwm17]

2. Accusing the innocent is typical behavior of the CT crowd

Conspiracy theorists pray on the innocent. If you add in gun nuts to the mix, it can be dangerous.

[BeyondGeography]

3. These people are the lowest of the low

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. And they wonder why we call them gun nuts

[Cali_Democrat]

85. +1

Make no mistake about it, these Sandy Hook "Truthers" are conservative gun nuts.

No question about it. These are the same gun nut assholes that peddled the fast and furious conspiracy theory.

[siligut]

5. This is gang stalking and is illegal

http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18/18USC00241.html

CITE

18 USC Sec. 241 01/05/2009
EXPCITE

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 13 - CIVIL RIGHTS
HEAD

Sec. 241. Conspiracy against rights
STATUTE

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or
intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth,
Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any
right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of
the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same;
or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the
premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free
exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured -
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in
violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an
attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit
aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined
under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life,
or both, or may be sentenced to death.

The police in Newton told him there is nothing they can do. He needs support and he needs to know about gang stalking tactics. He is feeling exactly what they want now. Learning and being informed would benefit him greatly.

[Bucky]

22. You know these people will decide presecution for harassment is proof of a cover up

[siligut]

27. Yes, and they will support each other in their group delusion

Documentation and procedure is the solution. Mr. Rosen is being harassed in a very systematic manner. Awareness of gang stalking tactics will provide guidance to the investigation and support the charges against these thugs.

[NightOwwl]

93. I don't understand...

why they are still walking free.

What they are doing is outrageous and inhumane and it is violence just waiting to happen.

Why has no one made a move to arrest them?

[siligut]

95. They say they are just exercising their rights and then claim persecution

There are no laws to arrest people for what might happen. However there is a specific law against this, as they are interfering with another persons civil rights. Mr. Rosen was advised to contact the FBI and last I heard, that is what he did.

[Brickbat]

6. They're not "truthers." They are attention whores, emotionally stunted losers and are infected with

a chronic low-level cruelty. Shame on them.

[Blue_Tires]

34. yeah, some are true nuts, but i'm betting a sizable portion of this crowd

are teenagers or internet losers trolling because they think it's funny and have nothing better to do...

If nothing else, trolling is very, very "contagious"...

[siligut]

7. How can we contact this guy?

I wonder if any attempts will be blocked due to the gang stalking he is trying to avoid. He needs to know what tactics they use.

[freshwest]

8. Typical of the Infowars, Beck, Koch, hate the government crowd. They blame all of these on Obama.

Every single one, usually within the hour that they make the news. And they're mobilizing to create the brownshirt facism that they claim they hate - running around to town councils, voting lines or anywhere they can intimidate people. But they are 'right' and we just 'statists' and welfare moochers.

[Odin2005]

9. Sick, sick people!

[whatchamacallit]

10. Thanks for helping spread bogus and deceitful linkage between any nut jobs

and people who have legitimate questions about 9/11. It's all the rage right now in social engineering circles.

[Warren DeMontague]

21. ANOTHER CONSPIRACAH!!!!!!!

[Comrade_McKenzie]

23. All conspiracy theorists are a scourge on society.

I support social darwinism for any individual or group spouting this kind of garbage.

[Wednesdays]

42. I don't recall anyone stalking the victims of 9/11

Do you?

[Warren DeMontague]

45. I remember some pretty offensive shit about "vicsims"

[jberryhill]

52. Yeah... it happened

The family of the pilot of Flight 77 was harassed, as was the woman who took the first photograph of smoke rising from the Shanksville flight. A number of other random families were harassed by people who believed that all of the Pentagon victims were fake.

[pnwmom]

57. Apparently Robert Kennedy was a conspiracy theorist.

According to his son, he thought his brother's death was part of a conspiracy.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Some conspiracies are real.

Most are not.

[jberryhill]

62. And according to Ted, he wasn't

[pnwmom]

72. Robert Kennedy, as the Attorney General, might have had access to information

that Ted didn't.

Or maybe Ted decided that his public statements should be circumspect. Or maybe two brothers simply had different opinions. But that doesn't mean Robert's opinion, if his son is correct, wasn't reasonable.

[jberryhill]

87. "maybe Ted decided that his public statements should be circumspect"

Why? He had a terminal disease and knew his book wouldn't be published until he was dead.

So which is it:

1. Ted Kennedy was oddly incurious or too dumb to figure it out, and Bobby kept secrets from him about their own brother's death;

2. Ted Kennedy lied in his book to be published posthumously about what he and Bobby knew;

I have previously posed this as the "Ted Kennedy, liar or coward" question, but I see you have already opted for "coward".

[pnwmom]

88. It wouldn't have been cowardly for Ted to not speculate in public on theories he couldn't prove.

And, as I said, he might never have agreed with his brother -- two reasonable men can hold two different opinions.

So I don't know why you are saying that I'm calling him a coward.

[cpwm17]

24. OP's good

Various conspiracy movements use the same thought processes. They are impervious to logic and have no problem accusing the innocent.

[Joey Liberal]

11. How low our country has sunk

It's scary.

[Canoe52]

12. These "truthers, birthers, gun nuts, republicants"...

Have lost their humanity and any feelings for the world at large.

If they didn't have such a negative impact on the rest of us I would pity them.

What a sick bunch.

[whatchamacallit]

14. Exhibit A

Nice try.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. Can you elaborate?

I dont understand your post.

[Bucky]

26. I'll translate

whatchamacallit is implying Canoe52 is a troll who is only going along with the crowd in this thread to hide his/her nefarious purposes for posting on DU. Because, you know, agreeing with most DUers is the best proof that someone is not a sincere participant on this board.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. I think I figured it out-

There is a conspiracy to make conspiracy people look bad- by conspiring to pretend that conspiracy people have inane conspiracies around Sandy Hook, and thereby protect the Illuminati Bohemian Grove Satanists from the dedicated fact-finders who are dangerously close to uncovering the "real story" around 9-11.

[jberryhill]

84. Pretty much

The various species of 9/11 truthers used to point fingers and accuse one another of being plants.

[whatchamacallit]

70. Give me a fucking break

In order for my remarks to be clearly understood, I guess we should clear up some terminology issues. What exactly is the definition of a "Truther"? I've never really gotten a straight answer on this. Though I don't belong to any clubs or official organizations, I've allowed people to call me a truther as convenient shorthand for 9/11 skeptic. Clearly a mistake, because according to this and many other threads of late, it means I'm exactly like a Sandy Hook/Birther/Moon Landing CTer, the "lowest of the low" and "scum of the earth"... So what are truthers? Are they, as some would have you believe, de facto members of a monolithic group of mentally ill people who believe every CT? I don't believe most CTs, but I do have doubts about some details of the official story of 9/11. So am I a truther or not? If not, what am I, and if I am, is it fair to call me and everyone like me, scum?

[whatchamacallit]

80. I guess a fair and honest response

was too much to hope for.

[jberryhill]

54. This is why I preferred the dungeon at DU2

The DU2 9/11 dungeon was useful in knowing where some people were coming from.

Our friend here was a regular there.

[whatchamacallit]

73. Where am I coming from, JBerry?

Maybe you can characterize me, since you seem to think you know.

[bullwinkle428]

13. These asshole "We're not getting the REAL story" (re: Sandy Hook) types are totally infesting

message boards all over the Internet right now.

[siligut]

31. Conspiracy thinking creates paranoia

The idea that things are going on beneath it all and you just can't quite get to the truth, it creates paranoia.

[JackRiddler]

75. Actually, institutional secrecy creates paranoia.

It's not really a mystery why there is mistrust when the government has a black budget of $80 billion and routinely lies to start wars and interventions.

[2naSalit]

15. Okay, one major thought comes to mind here...

IF there were ever a rational excuse for the big brotherism in this country, this is where it should be put to use. If these buttheads want to terrorize , threaten and harass this man for being a good Samaritan, they should be identified by the big brother mechanisms in place, and prosecuted as domestic terrorists. That might put a little big of cognition in place for people who have a penchant for such activity. And I wonder how much some of them are being paid for being the insolent assholes that they appear to be. And all their identities should be made public so that everyone can see who it is that does this kind of crap and they can be further ostracized for it.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

36. Most of them are not hiding...

Those that truly beleive this bull anyway. They have there facebook pages covered in this stuff. They go into all sorts of pages on FB to coment on this. Many have done videos and placed them on YouTube to "educate" the public.

The one thing they are not doing is hiding. And yes, some do brag about doing calles like this.

[2naSalit]

40. Then they should reap the rewards of their malicious behaviors ASAP.

And they should be prosecuted for harassment, libel and terrorist activities and conspiracy to commit terrorist activities. Terrorism isn't confined to explosives and mass killing of the victim. These people are committing crimes.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

49. How true.

But till someone does prosecute, it will keep going.

[2naSalit]

53. Unfortunately, also true.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Color me shocked.

NOT.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. I dont believe in hell...

But there hould be a special place reserved there for these Alex Jones fuckits, nevertheless.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

19. I would give up many freedoms to rid society of people like this. nt

[Glassunion]

28. Like what?

[LanternWaste]

46. The freedom to dismiss your question

"Like what?"

The freedom to dismiss your question as ineffectual would be first on my list...

[Glassunion]

74. The poster replied that they would give up many freedoms.

It was ineffectual to ask what freedoms?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

48. Careful what you wish for.

You may not like what you get.

[Chemisse]

56. I wouldn't.

What looks good when aimed at the other side can look pretty ugly when it comes back at you.

But I don't see how we would have to give up any freedoms by making it illegal to systematically harass someone, so as to interfere with his freedoms, as well as his pursuit of happiness.

Free speech doesn't mean you can yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre; it doesn't mean you can print something libelous; and it shouldn't mean you can make someone's life miserable with unwanted and threatening communications.

[WinkyDink]

20. The long-range RW plan---to make all mainstream media "suspect"---is reaping its rewards.

[ErikJ]

50. Fox News is the only one telling the truth

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

92. K&R for the OP and for the Fox Cult image. They really have it all wrapped up. My mom used to reply

the RWers sending her RW BS emails by referring them to the debunking on Snopes.com. But then they began replying that Snopes was owned by George Soros and was all liberal lies. It's brilliant what they've done. I don't see any way the Foxaholics can be saved. We have to stop them getting more members in their cult.

The left needs a very big propaganda machine spreading the truth.

[jberryhill]

55. +1

[PoliticAverse]

25. The Internet helps like-minded people meet and work together...

this is not always a good thing.

[OldEurope]

29. Why do you call them truthers when...

...in fact they are liars and hypocrites of the worst breed?

They make me

[Lady Freedom Returns]

30. This group/groups have been yelling that Sand Hook didn't really happen since it happened.

They have been yelling things like the kids were hypnotized to believe that they were involves and that the children that were shot never existed. They were manufactured for the "Hoax".

These guys are crazy as the day is long. They believe that it is to take all the guns away and then enslave the public. They have even done YouTube videos pointing all this out.

[bluestateguy]

32. People can't be allowed to just say things like that

I'll just leave it at that.

[samsingh]

33. kick - let's help him as he helped others

[OldEurope]

41. Do you have a suggestion how we could help?

Or at least show him appreciation?

[Warren DeMontague]

59. that was my first thought, too.

Sounds like he just wants to be left alone, tho.

[samsingh]

78. should we create a facebook page?

[AuntPatsy]

35. That is trully sad...so many crazy people out there.

[CanonRay]

38. He's Jewish, and the neo-Nazi gun nuts can't handle that.

[lunasun]

83. +1

[derby378]

39. I have no words...

...but I'll try to manage some anyway. They're stalkers, and should be hunted down and treated as such. Let this man live in peace.

[Faygo Kid]

43. Of course, the FReepers are all over it

And have been since the shooting - only picking it up more now. I'm sure some of them are among the harassers. Many threads, here's one: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2976630/posts

Sample from that thread:

To: Ditter

Then you clearly do not understand a thing about the true nature of human emotion. I have explained time and again that these "grieving people" in Newtown are a bunch of damn frauds and liars.
Watch ANY interview with them, and you will see that their emotions are feigned, forced and faked whenever discussing the "incident."

This is a far different response from the people who went through real school shootings like the ones at Columbine and Virginia Tech.

You are free to disagree with me, and join your pals Boogieman and Chip.

But don't think for a second that ANY of the emotion displayed by these losers is REAL.

It's all fake, and they are lying to promote an agenda of total disarmament.


176 posted on Friday, January 11, 2013 8:26:02 PM by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)

[Moostache]

67. Freepers make my skin crawl on a good day, but that is a new low.

I hope that they experience true horror in their lives and instead of empathy and love the universe dishes them right back the feces they hurl at others.

[MelungeonWoman]

94. Godlike Productions

GLP is also heavily involved in the manufacture and proliferation of this particular conspiracy theory, some of their more fringe elements take it a step further however: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2113467/pg1

Has anyone been by (Address redacted) in Sandy Hook yet? We need to know if Robbie and Alissa and their 2 daughters really live there. Then we can send them some gifts you know.

It's a cesspool, enter with caution.

[PatrynXX]

44. X_X

think this is the most disgusting thing I've ever read actually and I've read some horrible shit. and they say Muslims are bad? Compared to Muslims we look like the Devil. Rage is a good word here. and I'm seriously not the sort to punch someone. (which came up recently but I'll leave that to myself) Best thing I can do is. So you guys support Israel. Did you know your extremely pro Iran. Because the heads in Iran are ahem Holocaust truthers. They didn't see it thus it didn't happen. The 9/11 conspiracy is bush and chewy blew the towers up not that it didn't happen. I don't believe in that one specifically. because one Bush had no brains and Dick I wouldn't give him that much credit.

But I can't put to words on my feelings of this "bullshit" All I can say is it's the typical bait crap where they do these things to provoke a reaction so they feel like see we are right he's a nutcase. or See they hate us. See that guy is full of hate and rage.

I've never watched the Star Trek Remake (hate <--- yes I do hate) hate the word reboot. but brother had it on. and I guess (spoiler alert) the older spock told the younger kirk to attempt to get the younger spock to show his emotions thus he's been emotionally compromised and thus no longer captain. Spock. ie hi I'm spock I have no emotion Spock.... Which is to suggest that even a person without any emotion can be pushed so far and still have emotion. Although the Amish would be one in Witness to think they have no emotion if someone bullies them but Harrison Ford doesn't like that so he goes off. But whether thats pure fiction or reality I don't know.

[Bluenorthwest]

47. I would like to object to calling liars 'truthers'.

To do so implies they seek or speak the truth, when the fact is they are in denial of the truth.

[Rex]

51. This is how Repukes think and behave, if this shocks some here

then I wonder...where were you when the BFEE was in office!? The RAN their administration JUST LIKE these idiots are running with their CT. No facts, outright lies, outlandish and insincere Repukes that live their entire life as a LIE.

This is their faith in whatever the Foxnews/Koch types tells them to think, believe etc..


"I can think...braaaaaainnns, braaaaaaiiiinnss and Foxnews."

[oberliner]

58. How much of this has to do with his being Jewish?

Probably a fair amount.

[caseymoz]

61. Government sponsored hoax?

There's a pattern here. Any horrendous tragedy that questions their beloved guns has got to be the result of some major conspiracy. No, a guy couldn't have gone evil or nuts and murdered twenty children with Major Peacemaker, even though this sort of thing has happened before and they haven't disputed it. No, Newtown is a conspiracy, and there's no coincidence they harass the guy with the Jewish name. That's a pattern, too.

I can see this is going to turn tragic, all because some people insist that closer look will tell us two and two is six.

[cpwm17]

63. It's similar to the "truther" crowd accusing the firemen of being in on 9-11

the very same firemen who lost over 300 trying to rescue their fellow citizens – pure scum. And not coincidentally, the "truthers" accuse the building owner with a Jewish name of being in on the tragedy.

[pam4water]

64. Everyone who is harassing belongs in a state run mental hospital.

[thucythucy]

79. That would be a disservice to the poor folks

in state mental hospitals.

These folks are criminals, pure and simple.

They disgust me.

[pam4water]

81. IDK They seem delusional to me n/t

[lillypaddle]

65. OMG

these are some very sick puppies. They probably all own guns, too. It just gets worse & worse. This poor man. What the hell is going on in this country????

[LiberalLovinLug]

66. I also object to the moniker "truthers" in the OP

The OP very well knows that this term is used in conjunction with 9/11 and the many unexplained occurrences on that day. They are called "truthers", because they are bound and determined to dig out the truth instead of just accepting explanations that cannot be supported by facts or physics.

By using that hot button term we have some on here making the false assumption that ALL conspiracy theories are bogus. Tell that to Gulf of Tonkin, the incubator attack story in Kuwait just before the the first Iraq war, Downing Street Memos...

This story is a tragic one and the sick assholes who harass this man should be thrown in jail, but please don't use this tragedy as a platform for declaring that the word "conspiracy" shouldn't be in the English dictionary. Its an actual word, and it describes an actual thing.

[geek tragedy]

86. No, Truthers are precisely the same as the Sandy Hook hoax nutters.

The so-called physics arguments by the Truther Nutjob Brigade have been debunked over and over and over and over and over again.

Actually, the 911 Truthers are perhaps worse, since there's actual video of the planes hitting the buildings.

[LiberalLovinLug]

96. You are a dreamer

Rainbows and unicorns.....

You are the epitome of the classic sucker for The Big Lie theory. BTW, who says that planes never hit the towers?

Tell this to the experts on the other side:

http://physics911.ca/members/

[FiveGoodMen]

91. Thank you!

[Boomerproud]

68. Is the major media picking up on this story (such as Anderson Cooper)?

If not, why not.

[ThoughtCriminal]

69. Paging "Anonymous"

Some White-Hats needed.

[DinahMoeHum]

82. Yeah, there are more rocks that must be overturned. . .

. . .to expose the maggots underneath.

[Cha]

71. These assholes are helping adam lanza from beyond his gun

riddled grave. Now, they're terrorizing the parents of the precioius kids who were massacred and the man who helped 6 escape.

Domestic Terrorists need to be held accountable.

[Drunken Irishman]

76. It's also creating paranoia and crazy.

Never a good mix. Add guns, which many of these people seem to have a shit-load of nowadays, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

[Cha]

77. Exactly.

[Scurrilous]

89. Kick

[Skittles]

90. it is a sure sign the cowards are losing the gun war