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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho do you think was the last good GOP President?
My selection: Dwight D. Eisenhower
derby378
(30,252 posts)He was too cozy with the witch-hunt crowd, yes, but that Interstate Highway system he implemented? Genius.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)wryter2000
(46,081 posts)If we had Republicans like that now, we wouldn't need Democrats.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Flashmann
(2,140 posts)I don't see how a coherent argument can be made that anyone since Ike can be called a good GOP President..
Botany
(70,582 posts)If that had happened millions would have died and the fallout would still be
killing people today.
GoCubsGo
(32,093 posts)Nixon looks like a decent, sane person compared to those in the current GOP, and I'm not just talking about the politicians.
Botany
(70,582 posts)his few years of his life he tried to make the nation aware of how
really whacky the "let's invade the middle east" PNAC people were.
I think his last published piece was something about how we should
not even think about a land war in the middle east.
Nixon started the EPA and supported a women's right to chose too.
Don't get me wrong the man was slime but i would have dug his bones
back up and done a Dr. Frankstein act on him and have him be POTUS
rather then w Bush.
BTW when I was a little boy our next door neighbor's brother was Gov.
of PA, Ray Shafer and he was a really good guy and a republican too he
would have no home in the party of Gohmert, Huckabee, Buchmann, and
so on.
unblock
(52,318 posts)i agree that the result of the actual nixon administration included some good things like the epa.
but some of that was really due to the strongly democratic congress pushing for good things and a republican minority that would not blindly support him.
i can only imagine what nixon would have been like if he had a blindly supportive media and effective control of congress.
Botany
(70,582 posts).... if he was POTUS @ the time and 9/11 would not have happened.
Don't get me wrong Nixon was a creep because he had talks with N. Vietnam in 68
and promised them a better deal after he was elected POTUS but in the end he
wound up signing off on the same deal that the North had offered LBJ in 1968
which got us another 4 years of the Vietnam war and lots more dead people,
broken hearts and lives, and zillions of dollars wasted on an un-winnable war.
?
Jim Rudd was the older brother of a childhood friend .... after he died the neighborhood
was never the same.
Get a grip ..... on a book.
Botany
(70,582 posts)The documents presented here highlight Washington's perceptions of the border tensions that escalated during March 1969 and the internal U.S. government discussions of the possibility of a wider Sino-Soviet war. The material also elucidates the Soviet Union's use of covert military threats to coerce Beijing into entering diplomatic negotiations over the disputed borders. A State Department memorandum of conversation, published here for the first time, recounts one of the more extraordinary moments in Cold War history--a KGB officer's query about the U.S. reaction to a hypothetical Soviet attack on Chinese nuclear weapons facilities. Also included is a recently declassified report warning of the danger of a Soviet attack on China, written for Henry Kissinger by the influential China watcher Allen S. Whiting.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB49/
All kinds of declassified NSA documents @ the link too. So not unless all those NSA papers are false and were planted
in the national archives in order to allow me to make a point on a web site 40 years later I might know a thing a two
about a thing or two.
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Many people were greatly relieved to be rid of this insane homicidal freak! ACK!
Botany
(70,582 posts)no he wasn't .... he quit. Learn some history.
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)You are right.
Nixon is a perfect example of the best Republican president ever known in America.
RICHARD NIXON was the best thing the Repukes ever had going. Gee, that really does say a lot doesn't it?!
Botany
(70,582 posts).... to stop a thermonuclear exchange between the USSR and China
and not having H bombs going of in our atmosphere was a good thing.
* what % of stopping that I don't know but a friend of my family
who worked on that problem for the Nixon admin. once told me about it.
BTW did you bother looking at the articles I linked for you?
BTW Lincoln, Teddy R, and Ike were all republicans and good Presidents too.
Ray Shafer, Chuck Percy, Margaret Chase Smith, Lincoln Chaffee, and Mark
Hatfield were good people too.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)complex was along the original idea behind the second amendment. No standing army or no standing military industrial complex.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)When he introduced the draft for Vietnam.
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)remember Elvis was drafted
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)OK, thanks for the correction, then.
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Stationed in Wiesbadden, November of 1959 and I LIKE IKE was President.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,253 posts)Taxes were high on the rich. Infrastructure building was high with union jobs building these roads and bridges. The middle class flourished. He called the national guard to escort black students to school that was once segregated. He warned America about the industrial military danger.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Theodore Roosevelt. Trust busting and the National Parks.
I was very young when Ike was president, but I do remember that there were many complaints that he played too much golf We give him a lot of credit for words, but he did nothing to rein in the new MIC and he opened the door to Vietnam...that allowed the MIC to bully first Kennedy and then Johnson into a disastrous war. His great domestic accomplishment, the interstate highway system, was born from his admiration of the German roadway system. He wanted to be able to move troops and material all over the country quickly. You could say he is responsible for the American love affair with the car and thus big oil. Not to mention the abysmal public transportation we endure today.
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)Also to further the capablity of troop transport to virtually anywhere in the contiguous states to battle pesky invading Rooskies who might've parachuted in.....One mile out of every 10,was/is required to be straight,facilitating landing strips for troop and military cargo planes....The creation of jobs and the extreme enhancement of the ability to ship goods were incidental by-products.....
Still...Whatever the motivation,I voted for Ike as the last good goop Prez,for those jobs and the prosperity they brought to the working class.....In that light,there has not been one good one since......
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I think Ike was the last rational GOP president, I don't believe he was 'good'.
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)No,not absolutely......I say good in the very narrow sense that Ike was that last goop Prez to do something good for the masses......Even if by accident......
Last rational one??......Hell,I won't argue that point either.....
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Bucky
(54,067 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)The Department of Labor.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And, apparently, water buffaloes.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)"He's bottomed out the shocks on that poor animal"
sinkingfeeling
(51,473 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Said he was a closet socialist; and that era gave rise to the Birchers.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)If there was someone like them in the party now they would be a contender. Until then republicans are just a collection of bat shit crazy, bigoted, corporate kiss ass, science denying loons.
indepat
(20,899 posts)an egregiously bloated and wasteful MIC and to pay for the recently enacted permanent tax cuts for those earning $250,000 to $450,000, the permanent cuts in taxes on dividends and capital gains to 20%, and the shameful grab-bag of giveaways to corporations: governance now is antithetical of what Ike stood for, i.e., almost all Republicans and a significant number of Democrats favor governing far to the right of Ike.
Dpm12
(512 posts)People will both hate me for this and ask: "WHAT THE FUCK?", but, I'm gonna have to go with Gerald Ford. If only Republicans were like him nowadays.
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Aristus
(66,462 posts)Maybe not the best President, but decency counts for a lot. Also his wife was wonderful.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)He had an undeserved reputation as a klutz, but was a very good athlete in college.
One of the few pukes I can say anything good about.
What is a puke?
hay rick
(7,640 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)the Nixon pardon, and the Warren Commission. Ford clearly got "paid" (in promotions) to cover up the right wing's dirtiest criminal activities, including the unavenged coup in this country.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Other than the pardoning of Nixon (possibly a Lincolnesque move to allow the country to try to move past Watergate) what's the worst thing he did?
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)thucythucy
(8,086 posts)Flashmann
(2,140 posts)Given that in the current climate he'd be vilified,by the goops as a wild eyed,radical,hippie,liberal race traitor?.....
thucythucy
(8,086 posts)The Republican Party began as a direct response to slavery, as the party that wanted to limit or even abolish "the peculiar institution."
Now it stands for--well, it is what it is. One part corporate shill for the one-percenters, five parts reactionary dead weight.
But I think if Lincoln would be proud to see our current president. I think he would feel vindicated in taking the stand he did.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)That is scary, how far to the right we have moved. And by "right" I mean stupid.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,198 posts)Even amongst the "greats."
FDR instituted internment.
Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Washington and Jefferson owned slaves.
The closest we've had to a truly moral man as President would have to be the gentleman in my profile pic, James Earl Carter. And some say he was too moral and honest for the office.
But in terms of Republican presidents, I'll concur with Eisenhower as being "good." Smart views on the military-industrial complex, gave us the interstates, and slowly got the ball rolling on civil rights.
Nixon was a crook, but he did have some good policies mixed in with the bad. (EPA). Ford was more or less decent as a human being, although some disturbing things did happen under him regarding foreign affairs.
But things didn't really get bad--really, really bad--until Reagan. There was a huge drop off when that man took office.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)insurrections and the like in article 1 section 9? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_9:_Limits_on_Congress
"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."
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I find it hard to criticize Lincoln for using a power that is explicitly given in the Constitution for explicitly the kind of situation envisioned, i.e. civil war/insurrection.
GoCubsGo
(32,093 posts)And, saw the writing on the wall even back then, and left the party.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)My choice, too
surrealAmerican
(11,364 posts)I'm no fan of any of the Republicans after him.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)And like many of us in the public, he too, didn't seem to like his own VP "Tricky Dick" Nixon. After Nixon they only got worse, which was hard to imagine.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,418 posts)Thanks for the thread, WI_DEM.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)SDjack
(1,448 posts)Hugabear
(10,340 posts)When did Rockefeller serve as president?
SDjack
(1,448 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)administration first involved us in Vietnam after 1954, overthrew the democratic government of Iran (Mossadegh), began planning for the Bay of Pigs and presided over one hell of a major recession from 1953-56. Plus Ike's hands drip with the blood of vets in the Bonus Army that he helped MacArthur suppress in 1932.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Oh yeah, I said it.
Richard Nixon was much more liberal than he. It's true.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Maybe a moderate repub.
RVN VET
(492 posts)Best Republican President of recent note was Bill Clinton.
And he's being over shadowed by Barack Obama.
I'm not completely joking here. Both of these guys really practice what the pre-PNAC Grand Old Party stood for, when it was still interested in governing and providing for the common welfare. Only a fetal brained Teapartier would call them Socialists -- but there are millions of 'em, and they get to frame the discussion in the mindless media.
Neither was or is sufficiently lefty for my taste, but I appreciate the good they do, and they good they'd like to do if only they didn't have opponents who would rather sink the ship of state and collect the insurance.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)doc03
(35,367 posts)Thirties Child
(543 posts)1956 and I was 21. He was my first vote for president.
Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)There were some bad ones between TR and him, too. Then it's back to Lincoln to find another good Republican President.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)the assassination of the elected Prime Minister of Iran to bring back the Shah. Who got us started on the road to full involvement in Vietnam. Not to mention that whole planning the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)The Prime Minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, was deposed and placed under house arrest until his death in 1967, but not assassinated.