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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:03 PM Jan 2013

Mississippi begins secession from U.S. and renews segregationist "Sovereignty Commission"

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130125/NEWS010504/301250044/States-rights-pushed-bill-would-assert-sovereignty-state-?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1


More than a half century ago, Mississippi created a state Sovereignty Commission to block enforcement of federal laws.

Now two key state lawmakers are introducing legislation to attempt to do much the same thing. House Bill 490 would create a committee to help neutralize federal laws and regulations “outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government in the United States Constitution.”

Robert McElvaine, professor of history at Millsaps College, said all this bill will accomplish is to put Mississippi up for ridicule. “ ‘The Neutralization of Federal Law’?” he said. “I am astounded to see such a measure introduced in the 21st century. Do the authors of the bill see Mississippi as part of the United States


Dear White Mississippians: Your side lost the civil war and the civil rights era. Suck on it.
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Mississippi begins secession from U.S. and renews segregationist "Sovereignty Commission" (Original Post) geek tragedy Jan 2013 OP
More on the historical parallels with segregationist Mississippi geek tragedy Jan 2013 #1
>>> "all this bill will accomplish is to put Mississippi up for ridicule." n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #2
Well, unless they're willing to pick up their guns again, of course that's all it will accomplish. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #3
Many bills are introduced in state legislatures. MineralMan Jan 2013 #4
These are two high-ranking members--committee chairmen of the Insurance and Ways geek tragedy Jan 2013 #6
It's a publicity stunt. It won't ever become law. MineralMan Jan 2013 #9
Well, sure, because it would be declared unconstitutional by a federal court the nanosecond geek tragedy Jan 2013 #10
That still doesn't mean people shouldn't talk about it Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #22
What's their financial plan? bluedigger Jan 2013 #5
... RKP5637 Jan 2013 #7
I'm gonna guess there'd be a lot more outbound tolls than inbound. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #8
And... Oilwellian Jan 2013 #19
... and your shots. God knows what diseases will flourish there when they leave. nt Bigmack Jan 2013 #32
Forestry, shipbuilding, and oil refining are their big ones Recursion Jan 2013 #29
It's already been shown that Texas would suffer economically if it seceded. sadbear Jan 2013 #11
I'd much rather live in Mongolia than the Republic of Mississippi. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #13
The food is probably better in Mongolia n/t geomon666 Jan 2013 #17
Less pollution and fewer Republicans. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #18
I wouldn't be too sure about that. klook Jan 2013 #27
Oh I certainly disagree. Mississippi pulled pork barbecue is the best food in the nation Recursion Jan 2013 #31
Good - no more federal dollars for MS. No military bases or fed. contracts jpak Jan 2013 #12
Well, they still want to suck off the federal teat. They just want to declare themselves geek tragedy Jan 2013 #14
Dig up Ross Barnett, while you're at it. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #15
Just go away, then. we can do it Jan 2013 #16
Mississippi, one more candidate for NON federal funding.... wandy Jan 2013 #20
Dear White Mississippians: Justice Scalia has stated to the effect that if the Civil War had indepat Jan 2013 #21
Someone needs to reanimate Sherman, they clearly didn't get message the first time SpartanDem Jan 2013 #23
21st century? IDemo Jan 2013 #24
So they'd give up reps in congress and their electoral votes... 0rganism Jan 2013 #25
It would make for a grand, socio-economic-political lesson for Conservative teabaggers. Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #33
The paper is not letting me in bluestateguy Jan 2013 #26
The extreme majority of GOPers are too stupid to be embarrassed by their actions. loudsue Jan 2013 #28
Oh for f#*ks sake! rickjliberal1946sef Jan 2013 #30
Isn't Mississippi a federal cash grabber? aquart Jan 2013 #34
Yep...as are most of the red states in the south. Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #37
Better yet, cut them OFF and listen to them HOWL. Bake Jan 2013 #40
With so many whackjob states muttering about secession... Bigmack Jan 2013 #35
How do they expect to run their no government government? Initech Jan 2013 #36
Stir up hate and fear. Keep anti-Obama in the news. How many minutes would it take for them to okaawhatever Jan 2013 #38
This is really stupid to the point of being insane steve2470 Jan 2013 #39
Why is it that these RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #41
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. More on the historical parallels with segregationist Mississippi
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:08 PM
Jan 2013
The Joint Legislative Committee on the Neutralization of Federal Laws would be made up of the lieutenant governor, six lawmakers appointed by him, the speaker of the House and six lawmakers appointed by him.

The Sovereignty Commission was made up of the governor, three citizens appointed by him, the lieutenant governor, two lawmakers appointed by him, the speaker of the House, three lawmakers appointed by him and the attorney general. (The state Supreme Court has ruled that those in the executive branch are barred from serving on legislative committees.)

Lawmakers created the commission in 1956, giving it broad law enforcement and judicial powers to “perform any and all acts and things deemed necessary and proper to protect the sovereignty of the State of Mississippi, and her sister states, from encroachment thereon by the Federal Government or any branch.”
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. Well, unless they're willing to pick up their guns again, of course that's all it will accomplish.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:13 PM
Jan 2013

We'll see how far they take things down there.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. Many bills are introduced in state legislatures.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:13 PM
Jan 2013

Many fewer are passed. This one will be one that doesn't pass.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. These are two high-ranking members--committee chairmen of the Insurance and Ways
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jan 2013

and Means committees.

This is a mainstream idea amongst white/Republican voters in Mississippi.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. Well, sure, because it would be declared unconstitutional by a federal court the nanosecond
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jan 2013

it became law.

The only thing that keeps them respecting federal law is the US army.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
29. Forestry, shipbuilding, and oil refining are their big ones
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jan 2013

Jokes aside (and I grew up there, and am daily tempted to say "good riddance" when somebody tries something like this), the Gulf Coast is on its way to being a new economic powerhouse.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
11. It's already been shown that Texas would suffer economically if it seceded.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jan 2013

Mississippi's economy would be on par with some Central Asian Republic if it seceded.

klook

(12,157 posts)
27. I wouldn't be too sure about that.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:13 PM
Jan 2013
Weidmann's in Meridian has peanut butter jars on every table, which is a pretty good start in my book.



I guess Mongolian food is OK if you like boiled mutton and fermented mare's milk.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
31. Oh I certainly disagree. Mississippi pulled pork barbecue is the best food in the nation
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:20 PM
Jan 2013

The finest is found at Lil Dooey's in Starkville, but true barbecue can be found as far west as Greenville, and as far north as Corinth.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
12. Good - no more federal dollars for MS. No military bases or fed. contracts
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jan 2013

and next Katrina - you are on your own.

yup

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Well, they still want to suck off the federal teat. They just want to declare themselves
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:20 PM
Jan 2013

unbeholden to federal law.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
20. Mississippi, one more candidate for NON federal funding....
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jan 2013

Sure, go ahead and shoot you're self I don't mind...

But Mississippi may be getting the last laugh and the big bucks. The Daily Beast has crunched the numbers, and Mississippi is No. 1 in terms of the amount of federal money it gets for the amount of tax dollars it sends to Washington, D.C.
It gets $2.83 for every dollar sent East.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/04/05/mississippi-is-first-at-fed-spending-trough-daily-beast/
Good to see that some Teapublicans are finally getting serious about debt reduction.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
21. Dear White Mississippians: Justice Scalia has stated to the effect that if the Civil War had
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:58 PM
Jan 2013

settled one thing, it is that there is no right to succession. Now go suck on that before you have to be taught a good lesson.

0rganism

(23,957 posts)
25. So they'd give up reps in congress and their electoral votes...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jan 2013

Could be a net gain for the US, really. Especially if Alabama follows suite.

Sure would suck to be a resident of this new Christian Pakistan, though.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
33. It would make for a grand, socio-economic-political lesson for Conservative teabaggers.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jan 2013

I'd say, give them the boot and stop sending US taxdollars to Mississippi. Lets see what kind of libertarian paradise is created.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
28. The extreme majority of GOPers are too stupid to be embarrassed by their actions.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jan 2013

They so totally don't get it that they think they're being smart. They are incapable of figuring it out.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
35. With so many whackjob states muttering about secession...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jan 2013

... we need to set up a refugee commission for the good people who leave those blighted areas.

Us blue-staters need to scout around for housing and jobs for those refugees ... now, while we have a little time.

I volunteer to open my home to a refugee family while they get on their feet.

The good Dems in those states are victims, folks. As surely as Katrina victims.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
38. Stir up hate and fear. Keep anti-Obama in the news. How many minutes would it take for them to
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jan 2013

be declared a second world country?

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
41. Why is it that these
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jan 2013

Taker states, who get back more than they put into the Federal budget want to secede?
They are already making a profit on their Federal taxes, they would be fools to do it.

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