Will Princeton University be stil around in 5 yrs or will it be

[CK_John]

just another online university shilling their web url on MSNBC shows.?

[EastKYLiberal]

1. The collapse of the Ivy League would be spectacular. nt

[CreekDog]

11. you want the collapse of higher education for maybe 100k students?

why would anyone want that?

[duffyduff]

28. If the Ivy League collapses, so goes the rest of American higher ed

I personally think the Ivies are overrated since people attend to get the connections rather than any alleged superiority of their programs, but this is bad news.

[elias7]

2. If you're going to start a thread, why don't you give more than tweet of info?

Why should I have to do research to find out what you're talking about?

[CK_John]

4. Their is no missing info, the question is straight forward can mainline universities

make it when faced with online dollars buying a degree.

[CreekDog]

13. your record of bad predictions is germane here; esp. since you make them without supporting info

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I have to work three more decades thanks to your lame first prediction!

CK_John Mon Mar-22-10 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Sell everything short. 6500 before New Year. n/t

CK_John Wed Aug-13-08 12:56 PM
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Obama needs to be prepared to address the draft question, it's only a matter of days before

McCain or Cheney bring this into the campaign.

Obama should get out in front of this issue, by asking Bush, what invisible army are we going to send to the aid of Poland if he installs those anti-missiles systems. It's too late for Georgia.

Whatever Obama does he can not rule out a draft or he will lose the election.

CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 01:34 PM
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10. I doubt there will be any debates, maybe a VP debate but that's all. n/t

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-03-08 09:24 PM
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Wednesday begins the long march, Hillary to the WH, Obama back to the Senate. n/t

CK_John (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-23-08 08:50 AM
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If Obama is as good of a politician as I think, he will soon exit after extracting his next career
position from Hillary.

He knows the math and since I believe he is a control freak and decision challenged he will never be willing to place his future in the hands of another(his VP pick).

He will never be able to select a VP that will be perfect enough for him and may have already may a deal with the Mayor of NYC to do the selection process for him. A deal that may have avoided a 3rd party challenge but something that now would lead to a total rejection in the GE.

He knows he is not ready for the next stage and if he is honest with himself will step aside and get ready for 2012.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-30-08 07:24 AM
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7. Obama suspends his campaign May 8th. n/t


CK_John (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 05:05 PM
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IMO, Condi is being test marketed to sub for McCain at their convention or shortly after. It's looks
to me like the old bait and switch if Obama gets the nomination. John Roberts is being held in reserve if Hillary gets the nod. I don't believe Cheney will ever take a chance on McCain.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Sat May-17-08 09:58 PM
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48. It is foolish to think Cheney will leave McCain on the ticket, and Obama will not carry NY or CA. nt

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 04:43 PM
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My last word on Obama's VP pick, it will be Melinda Gates or Caroline Kennedy.
The past is prologue.

CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-26-08 12:01 PM
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Political geeks totally miss the power of pop culture, that is why Palin may well be the next President.

The political pundits (real ones and DU pundits) think its all about government,issues,leadership, the common good,etc. They have bypassed the influence of pop culture and don't even try to understand it or its role in getting people elected.

The focus of the current culture is best summed up by reality TV shows. The pop culture glorifies stupidity, wannabes, and easy solutions to complex problems.

Right now pop culture knows it doesn't know what is going on in the world, is fearful of economic ruin, feels guilty for enjoying soft porn, want to be cared for, and above all don't make me think it hurts my head.

That is why they love Palin. She is hot, mouthy, doesn't think, hates science and math, and doesn't give a shit about anyone but Palin. She is them.

Palin knows this and will milk it for all its worth (right now 7 million and rising) and will run in 2012 and probably win, unless the pop culture shifts or is shifted to serious concern for themselves and the planet.

The only good news is fads and pop culture come and go quickly usually 4 or 5 TV seasons.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 07:37 PM
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IMO, Jindal was not lying about being VP, McCain will dropout and endorse him for the nomination.
I think Cheney is pulling the plug on the McCain dog and pony show.

The only question I have is, has Cheney found out who Obama will pick for VP because he will bring in a matched pair. If it is Obama/Clinton then Cheney will bring in Jindal/Palin.

We'll know more Thur with the big LA announcement.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-10-08 09:33 AM
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Why does anyone think Obama will win? Almost every DU'er seems to be the only vote within their
immediate family, their extended family, their job, and their casual friends according to the many posts fighting the brave and lonely fight for Obama. Even here I doubt Obama gets 51% due to being non citizens, not registered, incapable of making any decisions, underage, etc.

In my area of upstate NY there is 0 support, no signs, no car stickers, 20% outright racism, 30% covert racism, 25% won't vote for varies reasons, and rest will vote for Obama but will not say so publicly.

I think the reality is Obama is down about 15% and anyone who thinks this is a cakewalk is a fool.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 07:55 AM
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7. NY and NJ are in play. Many of those dem's were hardhats for Nixon. n/t

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #20
30. Obama will not win by more than 5 points in any state. n/t

[CreekDog]

16. oh come on, you've seen the list of bad predictions before

we've talked about it.

you're not above criticism.

[CK_John]

17. You are very sick get help.

[CreekDog]

18. maybe I should ask President Palin?

[Lex]

23. Quit calling other DU'ers "sick" and "stalkers" when you are merely embarassed

by your own words.

[CreekDog]

24. that's bullshit, I haven't even been in the same thread as you for almost 5 months

you make these outlandish predictions and once upon a time i called you out on it because other posters were taking you seriously.

[Dreamer Tatum]

34. Well played nt

[Exultant Democracy]

31. The list of terrible predictions is pretty damn hilarious.

[Posteritatis]

33. Heh. Step aside, Nostradamus. (nt)

[FSogol]

35. Not-so-damus!

[n2doc]

3. Are you joking?

There are a lot of smaller, weaker colleges that will go long before a giant like Princeton. What they are trying to do is extend their 'brand' towards those not well connected or with high enough grades/accomplishments to get in the normal way. Stanford has been doing this with some classes for years.

[aikoaiko]

5. Of course, they have a $17 BILLION endowment

They could run on that alone for ten years with no incomes, interest or gifts.

[Vattel]

6. Online courses will change the nature of univeristies.

But Princeton will be alive and well for a long time.

[unblock]

7. the online college concept will be barely more successful than the correspondence college concept

both can work for some people, and online is an improvement over correspondence.

but there remain major challenges to higher learning outside a proper university setting.

in particular, online learning doesn't give you access to expensive lab equipment and facilities, and most likely you just don't get the same experience in terms of access and attention of great professors, teaching assistants, and fellow students.

at college, i probably learned at least as much from those late night bull sessions with fellow students as i learned from actual coursework. in theory, online colleges could try to facilitate such online conversations, but i really think it would fall far short.


i see online college as a useful supplement for things like continuing education or single-course, nuts and bolts education, and even there, more effective in certain subjects more than others (math more than philosophy, e.g.).

at a place like princeton, it could be useful as an adjunct to classroom teaching. for instance, the lecturer could simply record a lecture and put it online for the entire class (e.g., of 150 students), and focus attention instead on leading precepts (smaller discussions with no more than about 20 students).

[CK_John]

8. You mixing getting an education with buying a degree. nt

[unblock]

9. i thought that was pretty much the distinction i was making....?

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. That's the point of your OP, isn't it?

You are reducing what happens in Princeton to 'buying a degree', if you think they could be just somewhere you buy an online degree in a few years' time. I thought you wanted people to consider if that was a valid characterisation of the future of Princeton. So far, no-one thinks it is. But (unless there was a 'not' missing from post #8), you are accusing those who aren't taking your bait of swallowing it.

[CK_John]

20. Check out the enrollment figures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_colleges_and_universities_by_enrollment

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. Are you willing to discuss this rationally?

You give me a link that doesn't even have Princeton's current figures, let alone anything that would enable us to extrapolate their future. It's pointless. I know you're infamous on DU for making wild-ass guess predictions, but you seem even less willing than normal to actually respond to what people write than normal - and less willing to write something meaningful yourself.

[CreekDog]

27. you post these bizarre predictions you get fixated on, but it's not that...

it's that you act like we all know what's in your head and don't bother to post any supporting information or writing to actually support your, usually, fragmented, begging-the-question conclusions.

i mean, if you said, hey, college education is all moving online and gave a bunch of numbers and named respected universities that were offering online degrees and showed x, y and z famous person who has a respected position based on a respected degree, you might be getting somewhere.

but, you just prattle off some wild eyed prediction with no basis, and usually devoid of any writing in the body.

and berate people who question you about it.

jeez.

[Make7]

30. Why not post Princeton's figures?

Admission to Princeton is quite competitive. In recent years, Princeton has offered admission to less than 10 percent of those who apply.

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[CreekDog]

32. and the figures show that admissions are INCREASING not decreasing

maybe that's why he didn't post the figures. they undermine the point he was making about Princeton.

[duffyduff]

29. +1

People who tout it generally don't know what they are talking about.

The potential problems are much, much worse in K-12 since social skills are at least as important as academic. There is also the problem with cheating. Online ed at that level needs to be heavily restricted and monitored by school districts and limited only to certain groups. Virtual K-12 schools should not be allowed to exist at all. They are basically ripoffs anyway and teachers are treated like absolute shit, on call virtually 24/7.

[HappyMe]

10. Of course it will.

I don't see on-line taking over any time soon.

[cali]

14. ridiculous speculation. yes, of course it will be around in 5 years

it has billions and billions in endowments.

sometimes I really wonder.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. +1

[Dreamer Tatum]

25. Princeton has a greater likelihood of existing at any point in the future than you do. nt

[Lex]

26. Heh. nt

[bigwillq]

36. Yes (nt)

[WinkyDink]

37. Bored today? This question is.....odd.