Notice anything "Unamerican" about this pic ?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Sure do.

The woman on the left (Mrs.Boehner?) is not saluting.

Shame on her.

[2pooped2pop]

3. Not only that

the man next to her Boehner is the wrong color. It's RED white and blue, not ORANGE white and blue. Jeese.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. good eye. "Hand-on-heart-gate" !

Debbie Boehner is a Communist !!

[question everything]

20. Does anyone know why Mrs. Obama rolled her eyes at Boehner? (nt)

[BainsBane]

22. apparently it was in response

to a crack Boehner made about Michelle's not letting the President have a cigarette.

[Jamastiene]

43. He made a rude comment about her not letting President Obama have a cigarettes AND

he was pawing at her arm. If you watch the video that is floating around on the net, you can see where he pawed at her arm while she was trying to eat. After that, she had to practically protect herself from him while she attempted to finish eating. He was being really obnoxious toward her.

[krispos42]

68. Really?

What an ass. And Michelle could probably snap him in half.

[elleng]

78. I don't see it that way; he tapped her,

as I often do when talking to people.

It was about a JOKE he made.

[JDPriestly]

81. It was an unwanted tapping. I wouldn't tap people when I made a joke unless

I knew them very well and knew they wouldn't mind. It's not a good idea. I don't like it if people touch me when I haven't given my OK. May be because I am smaller than a lot of people. Makes me feel very uncomfortable. I think it is a sign of disrespect to Michelle Obama on John Boehner's part. It is especially inappropriate for a man to do that to a woman.

[elleng]

82. I strongly disagree.

They were seated beside eachother, at a collegial social event, and jokes and light 'touchings' are perfectly appropriate, regardless of gender.

[JDPriestly]

91. No. Light touchings are not always appropriate. They are appropriate only if

there is a feeling of familiarity and trust between the two individuals involved.

There certainly is no feeling of familiarity and trust between John Boehner and Michelle Obama. And that is very clear from the video if you have seen the whole thing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

103. I agree. I personally think that Boehner was trying to be friendly and have some

fun. But, you can tell Michelle wants no part of it and has no respect for him. So his attempt fell flat.

But for most people who like each other this would be no big deal whatsoever.

[2pooped2pop]

93. yes, I think he just tapped her

but he supposedly was asking for a cigarette, then when Obama said he didn't have one, The Boner said "because someone won't let you" and tapped Michelle.

Or something close to that.

I will always believe her eyes rolled involuntarily due to the large amount of alcohol fumes coming from behind her, causing her eyes to sting.

But that's just me.

[glowing]

84. What do they own a tanning bed in their home? They are both orange.

[leveymg]

101. I think she's Secret Service

Same thing with the guy behind Obama's right shoulder. Trained to keep their hands at waist level?

[Cirque du So-What]

2. Spouse of The Orange Man

with hands folded instead of over her heart like every patriotic American is supposed to do? Dude behind Michelle's mother is posed similarly.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. Yep. I haven't done it in years and won't until both Iraq and Afghanistan are over.

[Cirque du So-What]

10. That's fine for anyone who doesn't wanna

but her husband is a leader in the party of Über-Patriotism, yunno. If it'd been anyone on the Democratic side, it'd be in heavy rotation throughout the RW blogosphere.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. you think that's why they had the orange flowers? subtle slam?

[Cirque du So-What]

14. I don't know

but if it's true, then it's hilarious.

[RudynJack]

31. the only expectation

for the anthem is to stand respectfully. There's no obligation to put your hand over your heart.

The pledge is different.

[Cirque du So-What]

48. That's for the 47%

For the Über-Patriotic goopers, it's not nearly enough to just stand there. BTW, I don't see a flag lapel pin on that coat! Alert the media!

[RudynJack]

53. I have to respond

to say how much I love your username.

[Cirque du So-What]

55. Thank you

As the corporate media demonstrate on a daily basis, my username should never go out of style.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

5. I don't know...

When I was kid we only put our hands over our hearts for the Pledge of Allegiance. I think the whole 'hand-over-heart thing is silly and has damned little to do with patriotism.

[BanzaiBonnie]

16. I'd never heard of hand over heart for the national anthem

until the last few years. I'd never seen anyone do it before that. I htink it's utter bullshit.

[xxqqqzme]

52. I've also noticed people

do the hand over the heart for 'God bless America' at baseball games. I refuse to even stand for insipid piece of crap.

[MH1]

58. As I recall, it was fabricated to harass a Dem politician who supposedly didn't do that.

All of a sudden everyone was like, yeah hand over heart for National Anthem!!!1!

while some of us were more like, huh, never was that way before?

seriously, I believe it is a fascinating example of mass manipulation as a political ploy, from around about 2003 or 2004 if I am not mistaken.

[GoCubsGo]

60. You recall mostly correctly.

That Dem was President Obama some time in 2008 or 2009, and the righties made a HUGE stink of it. Just like they throw a tantrum whenever he decides to spend Christmas in Hawaii, or take any sort of vacation with his family. Damn disgusting hypocrites.

[a la izquierda]

21. I never heard of hands over hearts during the anthem..

Until my RWNJ sister in Law berated for saying I'd never heard of such a thing. She then called me a commie.

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. I was born in 1970. All I can go by is the Brewers games I went to as a kid where they

played the National Anthem. Players put their hats over the hearts, as did fans in the stands. If you didn't have a hat, you put your hand over your heart.

It's not really a big deal, however I don't think it's silly.

[UncleYoder]

46. I was 17 in 1970,

it was a big fucking deal. We refused to stand for the anthem, refused to say the pledge and made damn sure everybody knew why. We had 50,000+ reasons not to.

[xmas74]

73. That's what I remember from growing up.

I'm just a few years younger than you and the same was said. (All athletic events at all levels, not just Brewers games.)

I just thought it was something everyone did unless you were in the military. If in the military you stood at attention, with your hands at your side.

[ScreamingMeemie]

25. ***People, you may have "never heard of it," but it's in the Flag code. So no, it's not some

new thing made up by Republicans...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/national-anthem-etiquette-what-to-do-at-a-sporting-event-or-political-rally/

snip-
The Independence Hall Association says the Flag Code, adopted first in 1923, requires those who are not members of the Armed Forces or veterans to face the flag and stand with a hand over their heart. Men in these crowds are told to remove hats or other headwear with their right hands and place them over their left shoulders. eHow.com — a less formal guide — also recommends dropping your nachos and putting out your cigarette.

-snip

(props to eHow, that's hilarious)

[Sekhmets Daughter]

49. To clarify, it's silly anthem etiquette...

[truebluegreen]

32. I think it's utter BS

for the Pledge of Allegiance too--what is up with the indoctrination of children anyway?

[Mariana]

74. Once upon a time, this was the proper way

to stand to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. My father remembers doing this:

[IMG][/IMG]

[Sekhmets Daughter]

98. That was before my time...

But prior to WW II there was great admiration for Mussolini, and then Hitler, in this country. I think this salute was resurrected by Mussolini, although we tend to think of Hitler whenever we see it. It goes back to the days of the Roman Empire....

[lunatica]

8. Almost every photo of Mr. Boner looks like she was either distracted

or so detached from her surroundings that she looked bored.

Maybe it's just that look of denial of reality that so many Republican wives have. She probably didn't even register the song, or even that someone was singing.

[Politicalboi]

26. She may be embarrassed to be

Seen with Boner.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. "Patriotism is the most foolish of passions and the passion of fools." Schopenhauer

[Dreamer Tatum]

11. Schumer staring at Beyonce's ass is un-American? nt

[mzteris]

15. and the smirky look on his face. n/t

[SmileyRose]

39. no he isn't - at least not in this pic

he's looking over his readers ..... too high for butt ogling.

But it would be UNAMERICAN for anyone in America who has the chance to not at least take a quick peek. Male or female.

[Dreamer Tatum]

41. Sorry...dude is scoping the cheeks. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. speak of getting caught staring

[JaneyVee]

12. IMAGINE Michelle Obama had done that.

[sad-cafe]

18. exactly

and I don't remember the hand over the heart for the National Anthem either.

[GoCubsGo]

61. Her husband did.

They had conniptions over it.

[Mariana]

76. They're still having conniptions over it, to this day. nt.

[quinnox]

13. no, I don't

[hootinholler]

17. Nope!

Mrs Boner? Oh she has her hands over what's dear to her.

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Who doesn't want to wear the RIBBON?

[2pooped2pop]

95. lol

I remember.

[Iggo]

97. Right there!

[rgbecker]

99. This video says everything you need to say about all this patriotic crap.

[Greybnk48]

23. She probably doesn't know any better.

Dumb ass.

[Aristus]

27. Mrs. Boner not putting her hand over her heart. Why does she hate America?

[patrice]

28. Dog-whistling to Right-wing domestic terrorists & secessionists. nt

[dairydog91]

29. One of the POTUS's daughters was dressed by Tinky Winky?

[SummerSnow]

30. Yes..Mrs Boner ,John's twin brother in drag. But they are so busy worrying about Beyonce

[11 Bravo]

33. Boner's not wearing a flag pin on his lapel. WHY DOES HE HATE AMERICA?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

102. You're right...no on his suit either. Wow - this is just a horrible turn of events. haha

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. no

[DollarBillHines]

35. I don't know, but the Orange Guy is darker than the Black Man

How does he do that?

[RedCappedBandit]

36. No, I don't.

[treestar]

37. The person second from the left?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. Boehner? haha. I just noticed Harry Reid sneaking in on the pic - man

he looks old

[bigwillq]

38. I never put my hand over heart.

Guess I am unAmerican.

I get your point, though.

[Denninmi]

40. OT but just curious ...

Who is the lady behind the President in the camel coat and coral scarf? Is that Michelle' mother?

[ScreamingMeemie]

42. Yes. That is Marian Robinson.

[Denninmi]

47. Thank you.

I kinda thought so, but wasn't sure.

[moondust]

50. Comrade Boehner, where is your flag pin?

[RKP5637]

51. Yep, that, and also Boner looks like he's attending a funeral. n/t

[jberryhill]

54. Oooh I know, I know.... The president isn't white!

[dballance]

56. Bet You Didn't Know This was the Original Salute to the Flag - The Bellamy Salute

[Laura PourMeADrink]

59. You're kidding. Was that post-Hitler ?

[dballance]

63. That Particular pic is Early 40's - Pre full WWII

I'm sure the rise of Hitler and Nazism is what caused it to change. Not exactly sure when but I'd bet during WWII at the latest of course.

[MADem]

83. The author of the Pledge, Francis Bellamy, was a MINISTER.

And even he didn't put any God in his original version!

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to* the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy

[dballance]

86. Yep, Didn't Happen Until the 50's When We Also Started Putting "In God We Trust" on Paper Money

It was in response to those godless commies. Seriously, it was one of those stupid symbolic bunches of crap our congress seems to be able to pass rather than passing meaningful legislation. Not much has changed.

[NYC Liberal]

90. A socialist minister. Oh and he originally wanted it to be "liberty, equality, and justice for all"

but removed "equality" because he was told it would be too controversial.

And in 2013, over 100 years later, it sadly would be just as "controversial" to put equality in there.

[MADem]

92. Well, they've been trying to pass an Equal Rights Amendment for almost that long...!

I wonder if I'll live to see it. I hope so.

[Renew Deal]

57. Why does Mrs B. hate America?

[mrmpa]

62. Does Harry Reid still have his hat on? eom

[mia]

64. In 2007 - rules for conduct during the National anthem changed

Didn't know this until I just looked it up.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

36 USC § 301 - National anthem

(a) Designation.— The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b) Conduct During Playing.— During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1)when the flag is displayed—
(A)individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

(B)members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

(C)all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2)when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

66. Interesting. 2007...wonder what made them change it?

[WinkyDink]

71. Uh...there are no "codes" for civilians, sorry. Don't care what that website posits.

[octothorpe]

80. werd...

That's something I'd refuse out of principle. I don't have a problem with doing it (I usually don't myself, but I have in the past), but don't try to force me to. It's similar to burning the flag. I have no desire to burn the flag, but don't tell me I can't. Kinda goes against what the US is supposed to stand for.

[MADem]

88. The Code is there for civilians as well as uniformed personnel--you're free to ignore it, it doesn't

have the force of law. If you're on active duty, though, I wouldn't advise ignoring it--that could be construed as conduct unbecoming.

[WinkyDink]

96. "Active duty" was not my point, now was it?

[ScreamingMeemie]

79. It's been that way since 1923, as part of the Flag Code.

Of course there are no penalties for not following the flag code:

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#170

[MADem]

85. I think the change is "B"--because in the military, you hear that tune and it's automatic.

It used to be that we were not supposed to "salute" out of uni--but now, because people did it without thinking, they're letting us do it. It's something that is drilled into one at an early stage; it becomes second nature.

[TeamPooka]

65. Mrs. boner did not look happy or smile once the whole day in any

picture or video I have seen.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

67. From the little I know about her - thought she was apolitical - common, everyday

person from Ohio. So, being so mad that Obama won is probably not it. HMMM

[Mariana]

75. It must be an awful strain to be out in public

with a husband who's likely to get as sloppily and slurringly drunk as Boner gets. Imagine spending the day wondering if he's going to puke on your shoes in front of the cameras.

[TeamPooka]

89. there is that

[mattclearing]

69. Shaming people for not saluting the national anthem

is unAmerican. Even when they're horrible.

[WinkyDink]

70. It is not actually tradition to put one's hand over one's heart for the SSB. So no, NOT unAmerican.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

72. sorry...should have added a sarcasm smilies. I won't do it until both wars are over. nt

[octothorpe]

77. Not really...

I never put my hand over my heart during the national anthem. Although, I know they'd be all over a democrat if they did the same thing as she's doing.

Btw, is Schumer checking out her ass? teeehee

[Trascoli]

87. Boener is looking at the Knowles

The President is looking at the American flag?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

94. Is lip-syncing un-American? Otherwise, no. (nt)

[Orangepeel]

100. For those wondering why this is notable, it was made so in 2007

When conservative bloggers used it to question the patriotism of then candidate Obama.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/nov/08/chain-email/photo-was-taken-during-anthem-not-pledge/