Most admired women in the world 11years in a row! (Gallup)

[Playinghardball]

[JI7]

1. i wonder how she ranks if men are included also

i would guess she would still be somewhere at the top but the President of the united states would be the top(except when W Bush was president).

[REP]

2. I think men were excluded from the "most admired women" question

But I could be wrong.

[JI7]

5. that's why i asked how she would rank if it was women and men

[tavalon]

44. And this is why, my friends,

no coffee is drunk by me while reading DU. My keyboard requires it.

Well played REP, well played.

[JoeBlowToo]

46. Yay! Sarah Palin was number five!

Proving once again the enduring stupidity of a large swath of America.

[Beacool]

60. Please see response 59.

[PeaceNikki]

3. And the most often named Most Admired Woman in Gallup's history

A total of 17 times going back to her first year as first lady in 1993

[Arkansas Granny]

4. Very well deserved recognition for an exceptional woman.

[indepat]

6. Vividly recall how Repukes reviled her with a seething unreasoning maniacal hatred for no readily

apparent reason when she was First Lady other than for being a "libral."

[RudynJack]

8. it wasn't

just republicans.

Even here... today... you can find the irrational haters.

[Walk away]

39. ...right here at DU nt

[Beacool]

61. Yep, right here on this post too.

[Spider Jerusalem]

7. Which is nice, but it's also misleading hyperbole

"Most admired woman by Americans"; the polling was done in the US, people outside the US were not polled. America is not the world. The fact that the list includes people who aren't American, like Aung San Suu Kyi and Queen Elizabeth II, still doesn't make it "most admired woman in the world", just "women most admired by Americans"

[RudynJack]

9. Can you point to a poll

with different results?

[Spider Jerusalem]

10. Whether I can or can't is immaterial

this poll was conducted in the United States. Those polled were American. Therefore, Hillary Clinton is not "the most admired woman in the world". QED.

[RudynJack]

11. so your

answer is no, you can't. I thought so.

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. America is not the world.

A poll of Americans, and only Americans, cannot, by definition, say who the most admired person in the world is. This should be obvious to anyone who isn't a moron.

[RudynJack]

14. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

That you're not being deliberately obtuse.

Who else is more admired world-wide? Show me one poll. in the absence of any evidence, I'll go with Sec. Clinton.

Would I be wrong in assuming you're not a fan of the SOS?

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. I think most people outside the US are probably pretty indifferent to Hillary Clinton.

I live in the UK, I can tell you that she's not really a topic of conversation; "most admired woman", if you polled here? She wouldn't be in the top ten. Aung San Suu Kyi would be, probably. The Queen, maybe. I'm neither a fan or not-a-fan; what I'm not a fan of is the frankly ugly and stupid idea a lot of Americans have that "America = the world". (Helpful hint: this is one of the many reasons people in other countries don't like Americans.)

[tavalon]

45. While I admire Madame Secretary,

you make a good point. This is part of what makes us the Ugly American stereotype. We are hopelessly provincial.

Even though we now have a President who isn't a raving jackass, I would still sew maple leaves on my luggage before venturing into Europe. And yes, I do know a number of things about Canada, living a mere 100 miles south. Unfortunately, that includes the fact that their government is pretty conservative right now, but they don't stomp around the world like a 10,000 pound gorilla as the US does.

[FarrenH]

42. RudynJack you're reacting as if Spider's got it in for Hillary

Whereas in fact its perfectly clear he/she is simply pointing out the obvious. *America is not the world* and its idiotic to respond by asking for polls to the contrary.

As an South African I can tell you its freaking obvious Hillary is not the most admired woman in the entire world. You're confusing "who America admires in the world" with "who the world admires". Barak Obama is hugely admired here, but hardly anyone who isn't a politics geek has heard of Hillary Clinton.

The fact is the majority of people's foreign political awareness in developing countries (which constitute most of the Earth's population) doesn't go further than premiers, and then only of the big countries. As a member of the executive Hillary probably has more visibility than most simply because its the USA, but its still only a large minority outside of the states who recognise her by name.

I work with a bunch of educated programmers with little interest in global politics and they didn't know who I was talking about when I mentioned Hillary with reference to current affairs in America. It took a little prodding before they went "oh, the ex-President's wife"

I'm not telling you this because I don't like Hillary. I'm saying it because you seem to be afflicted with the distinctly American affliction of confusing what's important to Americans with what's important to the rest of the world, which Spider is trying to help you see. In fact in a poll published in the local Mail and Guardian the Nobel Prize Laureate Wangari Maathai was identified as the most admired woman (by Africans) in the world.

[truebluegreen]

13. Way to miss the point. nt

[RudynJack]

15. I get the point.

the poster doesn't like Mrs Clinton. therefore any evidence that the rest of of the world doesn't share his/her disdain is rejected.

[Spider Jerusalem]

17. I'm indifferent to Hillary Clinton.

I'm also not in the US. And I call bullshit on "most admired woman in the world" because ONLY AMERICANS WERE POLLED.

[A Little Weird]

20. No

The point is that the poll was improperly named. If you want to find out who the most admired woman in the world is - you have to design a poll that samples the whole world. It seems very simple to me.

[PeaceNikki]

21. It was not. The image in the OP, maybe.... but seriously, get over it.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159587/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-admired-2012.aspx

December 31, 2012
Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama Most Admired in 2012
Clinton has been Most Admired more than any other woman in Gallup's history
by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans again this year name Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama as the Most Admired Woman and Most Admired Man living in any part of the world. Clinton has been the Most Admired Woman each of the last 11 years, and Obama has been the Most Admired Man five years in a row. First lady Michelle Obama, Oprah Winfrey, and Condoleezza Rice are next in line behind Clinton on the Most Admired Woman list, while Nelson Mandela, Mitt Romney, Billy Graham, George W. Bush, and Pope Benedict XVI follow Obama as Most Admired Man.

She *is* the "Most Admired Woman" according to this poll.

[pangaia]

23. Oprah Winfrey for god sake !!

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and.." Mitt Romney, Billy Graham, George W. Bush, and Pope Benedict XVI."
jeesh-- it actually sounds like an Oprah Winfrey show, from what I've heard about it.

[Spider Jerusalem]

31. Nope.

She's the woman most admired by Americans. (Which is not the same thing.)

[PeaceNikki]

33. You're so so hung up that you didn't read the content of my post at all, huh?

The mistake was the OP, not the poll. The Gallup poll and article are quite clear.

[pangaia]

22. Rudy,

She may or may not be the most admired woman in the world. I have no idea, but I think "Spider's" point is that she is the most admired woman in the world according to a poll of Americans.
It's the same as we Americans call it the World Series, when of course it is not the world series at all... it is the.. American (Plus One Canadian) Series . :&gt )

[truebluegreen]

50. <sigh>

An American poll does not indicate anything about "the rest of the world."

P.S. Project much?

[reACTIONary]

26. It's like the "world series"...

...the baseball "world series" is strictly American. So it isn't a world series at all. Seems to always irk those outside the states. And for good reason.

[ajk2821]

54. 1992 and 93 excluded of course

Since Toronto won it those years...

Sorry just had to do that.

[reACTIONary]

57. Shows how much I know! (nt)

[naaman fletcher]

27. You fail

At basic logic

[RudynJack]

40. I will struggle

to find a way to live with your disagreement.

[catrose]

58. The poll sez

that Americans admire Sec. Clinton more than all the other women in the world. There must be a way to say that clearly.

[naaman fletcher]

25. Of course

Good post. Ignore the assholes who are countering your obvious truth

[1monster]

18. I think everyone knows that this poll is of who US citzens on which woman in the world is the most

admired by those polled. In the past, women who were not US citizens were on the most admired in the world poll, including Mother Teresa and Princess Di.

Being a bit nit-picky tonight? Try a hot chocolate. You'll feel better.

[Spider Jerusalem]

19. Except by definition...

if only Americans are polled? it's not "most admired woman in the world", it's "women most admired by Americans". Whether people who aren't American are included is irrelevant; if all the respondents are American it can't by definition be "most admired X in the world".

[reACTIONary]

28. I didn't...

...I actually thought they had done some sort of a world wide poll. I'm glad to get it clarified. The title of the post is misleading.

[Historic NY]

24. Well....

she was my FLOTUS
Senator
SOS
a fellow NY'er
a neighbor

She is my choice for POTUS in 2016.

[tavalon]

48. Mine too, except she wasn't my Senator,

and Spider's point is spot on. I can hold both of those, easily. I've spent too many years cringing at the US centric ways of the US and just because we don't have an installed monkey anymore, we still suffer from the delusion of being the center of the universe.

[graham4anything]

29. Hillary45. it shall be a landslide of historic Obamaian proportions

Hillary will win 400-466 electoral votes.
including Texas and florida.

It takes a clinton to beat a Bush.

[underthematrix]

32. I agree. I know me and my husband are committed to support her.

But y'all we need to make sure she has Dem majorities in both houses.

[Auntie Bush]

30. She's the most admired women ever in MY eyes...and that's what matters to me!

[Beacool]

62. Mine too.

At least in my lifetime. I would have also loved to have met and had a conversation with Eleanor Roosevelt. Alas, she was alive before my time.

[Auntie Bush]

63. Unfortunately, she was alive during my time...but not so I noticed or remember.

I say unfortunately because it make me older.

[Beacool]

64. But possibly wiser..............

[Nye Bevan]

34. Any other Democrat who wants to be President in 2016 has an uphill battle. (nt)

[graham4anything]

35. there is no other democratic in 2016

[sad-cafe]

36. She sure has done a lot in her career

wonder if she had any idea how beloved she would become back when she was so maligned fighting for health care

[RudynJack]

41. That's why I admire her.

She was vilified even before Bill was elected because she had the audacity to say she didn't stay home and bake cakes. The right-wing went nuts, and they never stopped. And she has cock-punched them at every opportunity for over twenty years. I don't know if she'll run, but in my mind, she deserves to be President.

[Aristus]

37. She also has a beautiful smile, which the pic above doesn't show to best advantage.

[Raksha]

38. I knew it before I ever opened the thread.

Kind of a no-brainer, though--there's really only one woman it could be.

[tavalon]

43. Oh, I do hope she rests up these next few years

and decides to run in 2016. The Presidency in 2016 is hers if she chooses.

[littlemissmartypants]

47. That really caught me by surprise. I thought it would be

Rihanna.

[tavalon]

49. Rhi-who?

[juajen]

56. Funny! If a cup of coffee was near my mouth, it would have spilled!

[orpupilofnature57]

51. Eleanor would have been Damn proud of her .

[MrYikes]

52. Just remember that this is a Fallup poll, the one who had romney leading.

Fallup is disgraced as pollsters and should never be quoted on anything. That we are disgruntled at their choice of words on this poll speaks volumes.


btw. that should have been foulup. I couldn't remember how to spell it (had to google) and don't roll your eyes at me,,,,you'll be here soon enough.

[bread_and_roses]

53. A perfect illustration of the failure

of modern Feminism, that Cluster-Bomb Clinton should be "the most admired woman in the world."

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

55. The long overdue goodbye.

[Beacool]

59. In the 17 years that she has been on the list only 3 times has she come in second place.

Twice to Mother Teresa in the 90s and once to Laura Bush after 9/11/01. Gallup's most admired list was created in 1946, women were added to the list in 1948. Hillary has been on the list more times than any other person of either gender (Eleanor Roosevelt was included 13 times and Eisenhower 12). That's a pretty good record.