***** Official GOP Debate thread - 8pm ET on CNN - live stream links below ***** #1

[Tx4obama]

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Live Stream links
http://www.rentadrone.tv/cnn-live-stream/
http://www.rentadrone.tv/debate/
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-the-cnn-republican-debate-live-here/
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January 26, 2012 - Jacksonville, FL
Sponsored by: Republican Party of Florida/The Hispanic Leadership Network/CNN
Candidates scheduled to attend: Gingrich, Paul, Romney, Santorum
Moderator: Wolf Blitzer

List of all scheduled debates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_republican_debates
http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/

[gkhouston]

1. "Mom! It's another *rerun*. Why isn't there anything good on TV?"

[teddy51]

2. lol.. You got that right. Almost as good as some of the current reality shows. n/t

[HipChick]

3. I need to get some merlot for my drinking game

everytime they troll out the same crap

[arely staircase]

64. I'll watch the idiots debate but I am NOT drinking any fucking Merlot! nt

[w8liftinglady]

4. OK- I've taken some Maalox... bring it on!

[Ebadlun]

5. Let's hope Newt does well

A strong conservative who will totally win over all the moderates and not lose 45-states-to-5 at all.

snigger

[Mz Pip]

6. Another one?

How many do they need? All they do is just rehash the same talking points.

[Tx4obama]

7. The number this year is about the same as in 2008

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The Democrats had 26 debates during the 2008 primary campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_democratic_debates

The GOP had 21 debates during the 2008 primary campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_republican_debates

This time around The GOP will have a total of 24 during the 2012 primary campaign
LIST of all scheduled Republican Party 2012 presidential debates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_republican_debates

[oberliner]

17. Yet WAY more than 2000 or 2004

In 2004, there were 2.

[karynnj]

120. Two? There were 16 primary debates

http://presidential-elections.blogspot.com/2008/11/1st-democratic-primary-debate-2004.html

[oberliner]

124. This is from the Washington Post

More debate, less filling? For those counting, the orgy of primary debates is rapidly approaching record territory for a single party. During the 2007-08 cycle, Republicans held 19 debates, and Democrats limited themselves to a mere 16.

Before that? Relative silence. In 2004, Democrats staged just two primary debates, none before the first vote in Iowa. During the 1999-2000 campaign, Republicans engaged in just three primary debates.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/debate-mania-is-it-the-more-the-merrier/2011/11/14/gIQAbp0XMN_story.html?wprss=rss_politics

[Tx4obama]

127. Looks like Washington Post got ALL their numbers TOTALLY WRONG for 2003-4 and 2007-8

================
2000 primary campaign*
*** I haven't found a FULL compiled list yet for Democrats and Republicans for Year 2000

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2004 primary campaign

The Democrats had 16 debates during the 2004 primary campaign
http://presidential-elections.blogspot.com/2008/11/1st-democratic-primary-debate-2004.html
All the hyperlinks for the 16 debates located at the end of the article

=================
2008 primary campaign

The Democrats had 26 debates during the 2008 primary campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_democratic_debates

The GOP had 21 debates during the 2008 primary campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_republican_debates

[oberliner]

131. Weird - thanks for the corrections

Can't trust anything you read online - even from seemingly reliable sources.

[karynnj]

132. The Washington post is wrong

I watched the debates and assume many others did too. I suspect that it might be a typo and they should have said 2000.

The fact is that there were 16 debates in 2004 and many were before Iowa. I remember them. I remember in one pre Iowa debate, Edwards twisting a Dean comment that we had to compete everywhere including winning some people with Confederate flags on their license plates. I remember the last debate before Iowa, where Dean reacting to the normal piling on the front runner, declared that he did not want to be a pin cushion. I remember Sharpton's humor - and the fact that he went after Dean for not having a single black in any of his VT administrations (ignoring that VT is about 1% black). I remember Kerry's excellent answers on many questions and his good humor - even when attacked. I remember Kerry "defending" Edwards when a moderator questioned why he did not serve by saying that he was in diapers in the Vietnam era. (Then apologizing a day later when Edwards was offended because he was a child, not a baby.) I remember a few Clark gaffes in the debates that he was in.

[rocktivity]

8. Fasten your seat belts...and try not to get carsick

rocktivity

[Tx4obama]

12. Great photo! Thanks for posting! n/t

[w8liftinglady]

9. Dear me. I need some more anti-puke medicine- Wolf blitzer just came on

[downwardly_mobile]

10. From the Gnarls-ton in Charleston, to the Tampa Tantrum, and now the Jacksonville Hack-and-kill --

I love this stuff!

And look at this, they're having them walk out one by one this time, like a sporting event.

[DCBob]

11. Good grief.. this is like WWF..

showtime!

[Ebadlun]

13. Some boos for Gingrich?

You foolish Republicans, he is wonderful and you should totally nominate him.

[downwardly_mobile]

14. National anthem: Santorum and Romney mouthing the words; Gingrich and Paul close-lipped. / nt

[Tx4obama]

15. I do NOT remember any singing at the Democratc debates in 2008. n/t

[Ebadlun]

18. This is the first one I've been bored enough to watch from the start

Do they normally sing?

[w8liftinglady]

16. why does this remind me of "Godfather 2" ?

[Richardo]

114. "I can handle things, I'm smart! Not like everybody says, like DUMB! I'm smart, and I want RESPECT!"

[high density]

19. What's the point of having so many debates?

A reason other than filling the airwaves with 2 hour GOP infomercials ,that is.

[klook]

126. To further poison the national discourse

The more debates they have, the more they can talk up privatizing everything, sucking the life out of every government function except the military, putting foxes in charge of every henhouse, turning back the clock on every good thing the Democrats have done, removing any and all environmental protections, throwing everybody but privileged white males under the bus, etc. etc.

Then these destructive talking points and lunatic ideas get discussed with gravitas on "news" programs and written about on editorial pages and web sites, and they gradually become part of the landscape of what is possible.

The idea is to make their sick "ideology" seem normal to Americans, so that even as the most extreme candidates slough off one by one like so much worm flesh, their toxic ideas burrow further into the national cranium.

So, for example, maybe abolishing the Department of Education doesn't happen, but diverting more public funds to private institutions does.

[w8liftinglady]

20. Wolf just messed himself "I'm thrilled to be here"

[downwardly_mobile]

21. First point to Santorum: His mom gets some face time on camera; is a Florida resident. /nt

[joshcryer]

23. Incidications that he's going to pull the friendly nice guy thing he did in NH?

We'll see. It won't sell with a rabid audience though.

[joshcryer]

22. Newt is like Smegol and the crowd is his precious.

[FarLeftFist]

24. This sitcom hasn't been cancelled yet?!

[w8liftinglady]

25. Santorum is an expert on CUMing,isn't he?

[one_voice]

26. How appropriate...

Newtie is from Georgia and looks like a bulldog.

[w8liftinglady]

27. Romney has started stuttering.... people brought over by coyotes

[tridim]

29. Just called illegal immigrants "Americans".

Oops.

[Cali_Democrat]

28. To all: Please feed those of us not near a TV

Details please!

[w8liftinglady]

30. "we need our soldiers on the border"...courtesy Paul

[DCBob]

31. Oh those nasty immigrants..

Its all their fault.. especially those grandmothers and grandfathers!

[w8liftinglady]

32. Newt wants English to be the official language.

[tavalon]

128. It's rather odd that he would want English to be the official language

given that he doesn't speak it.

[joshcryer]

33. Romney pulling punches now.

[Fuzz]

34. Mitt trying the righteous indignation tactic perfected by Newt.

[oberliner]

35. Romney trying too hard to go on the attack

It all feels very contrived.

[demtenjeep]

36. oh snap

Romney slapped the newtster

[downwardly_mobile]

37. Romney strikes at Gingrich, the crowd roars! /nt

[w8liftinglady]

38. Romney just kicked Newt in the nutsack

[DCBob]

39. Romney found his spine..

Grinch is speechless.

[oberliner]

44. I'm not impressed

He seems like he is trying too hard.

[DCBob]

47. me either..

but the GOPers like this crap.

[Hepburn]

51. Found it or someone implanted one! n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

40. Let's all self deport while self describing, but in what language?

[Mr. Sparkle]

41. Mitt laying the smackdown and giving Newt the angry face.

lol , good start to tonight's show

[downwardly_mobile]

42. The Romneybot is on on moderate indignation mode. All circuits running smoothly. /nt

[anAustralianobserver]

117. lol

[one_voice]

43. Newt won't even look at...

Mitt. He's such a piece of shit.

[Hepburn]

45. Mittens has bitten Newty's ass twice...to wild applause.

Duh....

[ecstatic]

52. Did he bus in some fans? Nt

[demtenjeep]

54. bet Newty is sorry about letting the audience clap

he thought he would be the only one to get applause

[elleng]

59. Right!

mittens found his cajones!!!

[DCBob]

57. Grinch just got a good one. 2-1 Willard.

LOL!

[riderinthestorm]

58. Can someone actually tell us what Mitt is saying??nt

[Fuzz]

46. Over the river and through to woods to grandmother's house we go

[w8liftinglady]

48. "There's not 11 million grandmas here"

According to Romney

[joshcryer]

49. Romney: "Our problem is not 11 million grandmothers." He is kicking Newt's ass.

This crap is selling so hard.

[downwardly_mobile]

49. Gingrich swings, Romney parries and lands ANOTHER on Newt!

"The problem is not 11 million grandmothers."

[DCBob]

62. Yeah, that was a good one..

Funny!!

[Warren Stupidity]

53. We love immigrants! (Mexicans not so much. )

[tridim]

55. Everyone can relex now, "Our problem isn't 11 million grandmothers"

[oberliner]

56. This is all so contrived

Let's get some sound bites of Romney and Newt attacking each other in the first five minutes....

Then we will get to the dull stuff and maybe let the other two in to the discussion.

[high density]

60. Dunno why every debate wastes such time on immigration since nobody wants to "fix" the "problem."

Cheap labor == good.

[rainbow4321]

61. Pretty sure Santorum and Paul are just bookends now...

There is a reason CNN put mittens and grinch in the middle. Lets them just use one camera and not even have to move it at all.

[demtenjeep]

65. Santorum first to dig at Obama

what a ding bat

[Tx4obama]

75. The top two frontrunners are always put into the center.

and the two that are lowest in the polls are put on the ends.
That's how it's been even when there were more candidates participating in the debates.

[w8liftinglady]

63. Gotta say- I'd like to see us expand trade with Cuba.

[elleng]

69. You and lots of us, w8.

Paul believes in some attractive policies.

[Warren Stupidity]

66. Fucking Ron Paul keeps saying shit that makes sense

Plus santorum said dick"

[w8liftinglady]

68. LOL!

[w8liftinglady]

67. WTF? we've sided with the marxists in Soth America?

[demtenjeep]

71. Ricky is just showing off for mommie

.

[w8liftinglady]

78. More info on Honduras...a Republican fiasco

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34462.html

[Fuzz]

70. Santorum just used his Palin decoder ring.

[joshcryer]

72. LOL, Santorum slammed Ron Paul's conspiracy talk.

[Warren Stupidity]

73. Sanatorium is making the crazy you is face at Paul

Smirk of santorum

[jillan]

74. Alright! We've been called Marxist Socialists!! The nite has been complete!

[Fuzz]

76. Every one of them gets the big same applause when they zing someone. It's like they aren't

supporters they are watching a sport, who can zing the best.

[elleng]

85. Right, or a comedy show: Thursday Night Live!

[jillan]

77. Wolfie just called Romney out on his ad against Newtamaniac.

[joshcryer]

79. Wow, CNN did a factcheck on Romney's claim, just lost some points on that.

CNN wants to keep this shit close.

[rocktivity]

125. The commericals should be fact-check before they're broadcast

Oops, that's money the network isn't making.


rocktivity

[Warren Stupidity]

80. My brain hurts like a zombie attack NO MAS

[crazylikafox]

81. I'm impressed. The Wolfster is actually fact checking.

[high density]

82. Romney: Fannie needed a whistle blower not a horn tooter

LOL

[DCBob]

83. this debate is absurd..

I suspect the the President is with his advisors now watching this and laughing their asses off!

[tavalon]

129. If he isn't, he should be.

[w8liftinglady]

84. we should have had a blower- not a tooter...according to mitt

[muriel_volestrangler]

98. Is that a reference to Newt's sex life? I thought that was off-limits (nt)

[Fuzz]

86. Did Romney just bring up Tootie? Why is he talking about facts of life? I wasn't paying attention.

Sorry, being silly

[sasan76]

87. I would not be surprised to find out Romney profited from the foreclosure crisis.

[w8liftinglady]

88. How much has romney made off foreclosures? LOL it's getting good!!!

[oberliner]

89. "My investments are not made by me..."

What a relate-able guy.

[downwardly_mobile]

90. The Fannie/Freddie round: Gingrich comes out agressive, but Romney's besting him! /nt

[oberliner]

92. Ronnie has got them both

Good stuff there.

Edit to add: And Ricky too.

They know how to play to the audience by now.

[w8liftinglady]

91. I don't know who my blind trust invests in.. per Mitt

[Hepburn]

96. Yeah...and 23 investments he did not list...

...WTF???

This is the finanical genius???

[tavalon]

130. Our own !% Ken Doll

Please, please, please let it be Romney.

[w8liftinglady]

93. Santorum wants to focus on issues...silly boy!

[oberliner]

94. They each have "applause lines" at the ready

So contrived - moreso than normal, even.

[jillan]

95. Wow - this is really a good debate. Nothing is being held back and Wolfie is holding their feet to

the question.

[w8liftinglady]

99. And hopefully the Obama re-election campaign is making a copy for future use

[oberliner]

105. Yeah but these questions are stupid

Wolf is as irritating as the candidates.

[downwardly_mobile]

97. Space, coming up next! Some of you may wish to peruse --

-- my own modest musings on the Space issue from last night:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002223306

[oberliner]

100. The Republicans Vs. The Moderator

But Mitt wants to mix it up.

Trustee talk isn't going to help him.

Wolf is annoying, though.

And these questions are stupid.

[w8liftinglady]

101. LOL...crowd is booing to defend newtie

[MadBadger]

102. Newt is trying his tactic of attacking the moderator.

[joshcryer]

103. Romney, nice, "Wouldn't it be nice if someone would make an accusation elsewhere that they...

...wouldn't defend here?"

Romney just wiped the floor with Newt. People aren't listening to his rambling, they only care about soundbytes.

[mackattack]

104. How many of these things do they need!

Bad ideas are bad ideas, regardless of how many times they say them in "debates."

[Warren Stupidity]

106. Romney didn't inherit his money?

Seriously? His dad George was a very wealthy man.

[oberliner]

109. He donated whatever inheritance he got directly to the Mormon church

He was already pretty rich (from Bain) when his father died.

[Hepburn]

107. Mittens is stuttering...

...defending that all his moola is a compliment to America.

Gag me....

[w8liftinglady]

108. LOL... Newt wants us to avoid personal attacks

[nanabugg]

110. Ron Paul still bashing "enterprise zones" as affirmative action (code words anyone?)

So what does he call "rural development grants"? The GOP is soundly racist, period!

[BadgerKid]

111. They fight and bite!

They fight and bite and fight!
Fight fight fight! Bite bite bite!
The Newtie and Romney Show!

[oberliner]

112. These questions are so dumb

Release medical records?

Wolf is an idiot, seriously.

[w8liftinglady]

113. LOL...I'd like to see Paul race Newt

[demtenjeep]

116. especially if it showed Newty to not be in good health

he gasps every answer


probably has heart issues

[Tx4obama]

115. New thread **************** Here's a LINK to the GOP DEBATE thread Part TWO *************

#2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002227168

See ya'll there

[sasan76]

118. Yeah, Ron Paul is right. The public space program was a complete failure.

[Mr. Sparkle]

119. There is a lot of space in between Santorum's two ears.

[riderinthestorm]

122. PLEASE GO TO THREAD #2. For DUers on dialup... they can't load a thread that gets too large nt

[Tx4obama]

123. ********************** PLEASE move on over to GOP DEBATE Thread PART TWO, link below *****

GOP Debate thread #2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002227168

See ya'll there