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What's going on around here? Every day another anti cat thread. (Original Post) CatWoman Jan 2013 OP
Message deleted by the DU Administrators Ivoted Jan 2013 #1
Um, I posted because a new study came out a few days ago about the massive damage XemaSab Jan 2013 #2
If it weren't for cats, we would be overrun by rats, mice, and other varmints to include.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #17
Not true. Domestic cats are not needed to control rodents and are generally no good on large yellowcanine Jan 2013 #27
LOL. Whatever you say. nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #34
If it wasn't for the feral cat population at my apartments, we'd be overrun.... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #45
Generally no good on large rodents like rats? Aerows Jan 2013 #39
Hence the term "generally". Doesn't rule out the exceptional cat. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #42
Mine is extremely well-mannered in the house Aerows Feb 2013 #68
We had a feral colony at the Navy Hospital dgibby Jan 2013 #57
I'm with you on that malaise Jan 2013 #62
As I type this, dgibby Jan 2013 #64
We sent the kittens to the JSPCA malaise Jan 2013 #65
Thank you for your involvement in TNR. hamsterjill Feb 2013 #85
female cats Aerows Feb 2013 #76
They are so freaking proud of themselves Aerows Feb 2013 #69
I've always seen it as not so much a 'gift', but their 'contribution' or fair` share of feeding 4_TN_TITANS Feb 2013 #81
If I had a taste for mole, rat or mouse Aerows Feb 2013 #82
If I had a taste for half day old Aerows Feb 2013 #83
It's hilarious Aerows Feb 2013 #70
Are you kidding? KT2000 Jan 2013 #58
You do realize rodents have native predators, right? NickB79 Jan 2013 #41
A point I was trying to make also. Thanks for making it better than I did. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #46
I think you can blame the steady decline of the population of predators you list,...... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #47
Yeah, and they are called cats. Cats (and dogs) made it possible to create cities McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #49
large rats aren't native to the US Aerows Feb 2013 #71
foxes are all over suburbia TorchTheWitch Feb 2013 #90
I completely agree. Texasgal Feb 2013 #95
It sounds to me Aerows Feb 2013 #99
Most of the predation is done by feral cats grantcart Jan 2013 #66
Norweigen Rats Aerows Feb 2013 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #18
Seen dogs taking out big birds and other wildlife like in your picture. Cleita Feb 2013 #84
We do catch, spay/neuter and release here, too Aerows Feb 2013 #100
Blame idiotic humans who don't spay or neuter their pets -- cats are just doing what Flaxbee Feb 2013 #93
Yes OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #113
That's one damn tough cat to take down a mudhen. Not a big loss. Jenoch Feb 2013 #105
LOL LisaLynne Jan 2013 #3
the issue is with feral cats, yet the last articles I have read have specified "house cats" hlthe2b Jan 2013 #4
awwwwww CatWoman Jan 2013 #7
If it weren't for the odd eyes, I'd accuse of kidnapping! bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #12
Yeah, blaming housecats is inappropriate. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #23
Which is why this thread is so amusing to me XemaSab Jan 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2013 #26
It's good for the cat and good for the environment to keep the kitties indoors CreekDog Feb 2013 #114
But they do barf, scratch furniture and piss and poop at inappropriate places. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #35
Quite a broad brush don't you OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #115
Mine is fixed, lives indoors most of the time, and Aerows Feb 2013 #72
On the internet, nobody can tell that you're a mouse (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #5
Cats can be misunderstood, ya know. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #6
Ah, this one is auditioning for "CATS" on Broadway! asjr Jan 2013 #11
I had no idea. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #15
Or perhaps 2naSalit Jan 2013 #61
Because cats are FUCKING EVIL! snooper2 Jan 2013 #8
My old big orange neutered male cat talks a lot too slackmaster Jan 2013 #20
Black cat says "go home, your're drunk" (great comment on the youtube page) hlthe2b Jan 2013 #31
Until this big orange male kitty adopted us, mr. gut didn't get along with animals siligut Feb 2013 #91
My dad hated cats Aerows Feb 2013 #106
My dad OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #117
We could always start some anti-Grackle threads. kentauros Jan 2013 #9
Cat haters in New Zealand started it Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #10
I was thinking the same thing get the red out Jan 2013 #13
I've been searching for the anti-cattle threads.... someone needs to start one asap. 2on2u Jan 2013 #14
I love this! Also, "The Llama Song". They both crack me up. SharonAnn Jan 2013 #59
Anyone that played Diablo 2 Aerows Feb 2013 #77
I have two domesticated cats, and they are so sweet and adorable. The only thing they hurt are their Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #16
We can only counter the anti-cat movement with MOAR KITTEHZ! slackmaster Jan 2013 #19
awwww libodem Jan 2013 #56
Cat, Oilwellian Jan 2013 #21
where's Grumpy Cat when you need her? CatWoman Jan 2013 #28
Hereyago DainBramaged Jan 2013 #44
love me some GC!! CatWoman Feb 2013 #88
LOL I love her Aerows Feb 2013 #103
If this isn't a Aerows Feb 2013 #109
Has anyone seen what MILLIONS of starlings do do crops? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #43
We need to get cats and Starlings together kentauros Feb 2013 #96
I'd recruit mine, but she is currently Aerows Feb 2013 #107
My cat's an indoor only type. kentauros Feb 2013 #108
Oh, mine can hunt Aerows Feb 2013 #110
Well, there ya go then! :) kentauros Feb 2013 #111
Whoa, is that image animated? 2naSalit Jan 2013 #63
Yep cats do damage but so do most sunwyn Jan 2013 #22
The point of the article was that of all the ways humans damage native wildlife XemaSab Jan 2013 #29
That's the elephant in the room that all the anti-cat people conveniently ignore slackmaster Jan 2013 #30
But we won't talk about that Aerows Feb 2013 #112
It's the dog people! NV Whino Jan 2013 #25
I am not anti-cat, just pro-dog. n/t RebelOne Jan 2013 #32
In invite all the neighborhood cats to come into my yard and kill all the house sparrows they can! MNBrewer Jan 2013 #33
They're KILLERS, I tell ya! KILLERS!! Bake Jan 2013 #36
I really, really dislike cats bigwillq Jan 2013 #37
Candidly, Why? Aerows Feb 2013 #119
I am allergic to them bigwillq Feb 2013 #120
Wow Aerows Feb 2013 #121
Several cats bigwillq Feb 2013 #122
I was quite happy to have my daughter and her three cats move in here temporarily Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #38
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr DainBramaged Jan 2013 #40
Because an anti-cat thread amongst the daily dozen other cat-lover threads is some sort of outrage? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #48
Yea. It's like a war on cats all of the sudden. LisaL Jan 2013 #50
What can I say? Some people are nasty. shenmue Jan 2013 #51
The cat hate is easily explained... PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #52
A cat is a boy's best friend. Ian David Jan 2013 #53
Ah, Hell! I'll cop to it ... I loves me some CW, but I'm definitely a dog guy. 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #54
I can't wait for Puppy Bowl on Sunday CatWoman Feb 2013 #89
Time to call out... KansDem Jan 2013 #55
Been posting for weeks G_j Jan 2013 #60
It kills me stuntcat Jan 2013 #67
Norweigen rats swam here Aerows Feb 2013 #78
Ban the cats!!! DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #73
Do you live in Florida or the Southeast? Aerows Feb 2013 #79
THE AD-DRESSING OF CATS Octafish Feb 2013 #74
I think it's cute when my cat is carrying around a dead bird or mouse... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #75
Been getting e-mails from a cat organization kiva Feb 2013 #80
Bullet Cat Go Vols Feb 2013 #86
What's up? You sound like... pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #92
Wow. Agschmid Feb 2013 #94
The whole lot of you should knock it off and take a break in the Lounge. rug Feb 2013 #97
So, in conclusion ... Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff. libdem4life Feb 2013 #98
LOL Aerows Feb 2013 #118
Even if there weren't a bird issue keeping your cats inside is the best thing FOR YOUR CATS. LeftyMom Feb 2013 #101
It's not like cats ever get run over or eaten by coyotes XemaSab Feb 2013 #104
I had some feral cats once. Or rather I was employed by some feral cats once. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #102
Well... pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #116
There was another post talking about how Pro dog GD was and the Lounge was Pro cat Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #123

Response to CatWoman (Original post)

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
2. Um, I posted because a new study came out a few days ago about the massive damage
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:44 AM
Jan 2013

that cats do to native wildlife.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
17. If it weren't for cats, we would be overrun by rats, mice, and other varmints to include....
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jan 2013

....some species of wild birds. For instance, mice have a very rapid reproduction rate...one female can produce 5 to 10 litters per year of between 4 to 15 young. Predation by cats is all part of the process of natural selection.

Additionally, the new study appears to have originated with an individual in New Zealand who is calling for the total elimination of cats to protect the wild bird population in that country. Interesting approach, one that may not get much support.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
27. Not true. Domestic cats are not needed to control rodents and are generally no good on large
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:37 PM
Jan 2013

rodents such as rats. And if we provide the right habitat, there are plenty of other predators out there which can control mice populations AND not harm songbird populations the way feral cats do. If you want to keep a cat, fine. But take care of it and keep it indoors.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
39. Generally no good on large rodents like rats?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:52 PM
Jan 2013

LOL. Please inform my cat that she isn't very good at killing rats, then, because apparently she doesn't know this.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
42. Hence the term "generally". Doesn't rule out the exceptional cat.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jan 2013

There are cats who use the toilet and flush it also but generally cats do not do this. And there is no need to even get into skate boarding dogs.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
68. Mine is extremely well-mannered in the house
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:42 PM
Feb 2013

where she stays most of the time. When she gets out, she seems to be able to find a mouse, a rat or a shrew anywhere in the vicinity. I've never even seen a mouse or a rat anywhere near inside of the house, but apparently, there were some lurking around outside.

Mine just happens to be extremely proud of herself when she gets them and brings them home to show me. Unless it is a mouse. Which she brings home and eats. :shudder: Nastiest thing I've ever seen.

She's not necessarily huge, though she is bigger than average. I would give a mouse or a rat about a 30 minute lifespan when she is on the prowl.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
57. We had a feral colony at the Navy Hospital
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jan 2013

in Charleston, SC. several years ago. The PTB decided to trap and relocate them. Within 2 weeks of their removal, we had wharf rats that were bigger than the cats that used to catch them. Within a week of the failed attempt to eradicate the rats, the feral cat colony was back. No more rats, no more problem.

Also, there was a rat problem in my neighborhood, secondary to construction in the area and disruption of habitat. My cat made it her personal mission to rid us of the rat problem. I'd find 1 to 2 dead rats on the patio , sometimes more a couple of times a week. I didn't mind her killing them, just hated that she brought them to me. Ugh!

malaise

(269,054 posts)
62. I'm with you on that
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:13 PM
Jan 2013

We feed the feral cats in our neighborhood and they sure keep the rats away

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
64. As I type this,
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:19 PM
Jan 2013

I have 4 feral cats in a cage in my basement. My niece is involved in a trap, neuter, release program, and these cats are here until they can be released following surgery. The weather has been too cold to let them out right now, but they'll be released asap. My cats and dogs don't even realize they're down there. Don't know what that says about their collective IQ, but things are going ok so far. The cage they're in is huge and they seem content.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
76. female cats
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:41 PM
Feb 2013

are the huntresses. It is also shown in every group of cats. Males don't give a crap and hunt out of opportunity. Female cats don't hunt to maim, they hunt to kill and bring it back home.

That isn't an opinion, that is scientific fact backed up with studies and reports. It isn't surprising that people that have primarily kept male cats don't understand this about their species.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
69. They are so freaking proud of themselves
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:51 PM
Feb 2013

to be able to bring it home and show you how proficient they are. I have no idea where mine finds them, but she always brings them home as a gift on the patio. I think females are far better hunters than males. Males tend to be lazier, it's the female cats that bring in the groceries, and boy, do they ever.

4_TN_TITANS

(2,977 posts)
81. I've always seen it as not so much a 'gift', but their 'contribution' or fair` share of feeding
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:08 PM
Feb 2013

their human families. If only I had a taste for 1/2 day old dead mole, I'd really eat like a king. I agree that the females are the breadwinners, whether it's big or little cats.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
82. If I had a taste for mole, rat or mouse
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:24 PM
Feb 2013

I'd be situated for live with meat. My cat doesn't quit, and even though I've tried to help her stop being a destructer, it's fruitless. She is going to be a predator, and I can pretty much jump in the lake.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
83. If I had a taste for half day old
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:30 PM
Feb 2013

moles, I'l live like a queen. Nine of them. Piled up in 30 minutes. I do not kid. My girl is relentless.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
70. It's hilarious
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:54 PM
Feb 2013

to watch them camp out by a pile of wood or debris and just ... wait. They will sit there for eternity until the rodent in question comes out.

KT2000

(20,583 posts)
58. Are you kidding?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:48 PM
Jan 2013

My little 7 lb cat used to catch mice, moles, rats, nutria and some other thing that was almost a big as she.
She does not go for birds.
And yes - until my cat took up residence we were over-run with mice. One climbed out of my dashboard while I was driving. My neighbor had them coming in through her heat ducts. They got into her cupboards etc.

Someone was killing cats in the neighborhood so all cats went inside. Then the mice took over. My cat was dumped here by someone and she took up residence where the food supply was plentiful - rodents, not birds.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
41. You do realize rodents have native predators, right?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jan 2013

I don't recall reading about how North America was a sea of swarming mice and rats when Columbus landed, with the Native Americans begging for a few housecats for rodent control.

The native small predators on this continent (snakes, weasels, ermines, fishers, bobcats, hawks, owls, etc) did just fine maintaining a balance for millions of years without the help of domesticated housecats. Their decline in recent years is in large part due to the predation done by cats on their once numerous prey.

Remove the cats, and native species would flourish, including the predators that would stop varmint overpopulation. And I for one would love to see a more diverse, species-rich environment in my backyard rather than Mr. Whiskers pissing in my flower beds.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
46. A point I was trying to make also. Thanks for making it better than I did.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jan 2013

I have used a similar argument with native pollinators vs introduced honey bees and get a lot of push back on that as well.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
47. I think you can blame the steady decline of the population of predators you list,......
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jan 2013

....other than cats, on the ever-increasing loss of their native habitats to farming and urban sprawl. With the decreasing population of the predators you listed, the cats have taken up the slack and still can't keep pace with the varmints.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
49. Yeah, and they are called cats. Cats (and dogs) made it possible to create cities
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jan 2013

with grain stores. Rats evolved to eat the food the humans leave behind--or store. So, humans started keeping carnivorous pets that would eat the rats but not the grain.

As a rat lover, I feel awful when my cat brings home a mouse, but he is doing what nature intended him to do.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
71. large rats aren't native to the US
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:59 PM
Feb 2013

They were brought in on ships, like they came from most countries. There are supposedly rats the side of a large cat in the New York subway system from Africa. They aren't native. Well, neither is the domesticated cat, but they take care of any such problems handily.

Weasels and bobcats flourish in the less populated areas, and hawks fly overhead where I live. I have no idea about owls, because you won't see them unless they want to be seen. There are PLENTY of rodents to go around in suburban areas, and in more rural locations, you still see foxes and hawks flourishing. I can't vouch for ermines, because I live in the south.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
90. foxes are all over suburbia
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:42 PM
Feb 2013

Most people just don't see them since they're night hunters and sleep in their dens during the day. THere's all kinds of critters roaming outside late at night in suburbia that most people haven't a clue exist in their neighborhood.

The foxes here take care of the rats and mice. Earlier in the season I had a mouse problem in the house because the foxes were hunting elsewhere for some reason. Once they came back, no mice, no rats, no snakes and unfortunately no chipmunks cause you rarely saw them and I think they're cute (they also had no interest in coming in the house or getting in peoples' trash).

I FAR prefer the foxes than the damn cat that used to live outside with the buttheads that used to live next door. No more cat piss or crap in my yard and no more dozens of dead shrews in my yard either (though why it wanted to put them in MY yard rather than her owners next door is beyond me). The buttheads moved and left the cat (they never cared about it anyway and never let it in the house no matter the weather... and keeping its food dish outside was just an invitation to all kinds of rodents to swarm). Now it lives with one of the neighbors up the street and is a happy indoor cat that's not causing a plague of problems in the neighborhood anymore. I don't miss it yowling its kitty brains loose all night outside my bedroom either. And the foxes actually EAT the critters they catch rather than leaving their vermin and parasite infested rotting corpses on peoples' door steps, porches and in their yards.

I seriously don't get why so many people that have cats think it's their right to allow their cat to roam freely causing a problem for their neighbors. I sure as hell wouldn't dream of letting my dog do that. And why in the world would they WANT their cat roaming freely to get hit by cars, eat wild critters infested with vermin and parasites or get killed by some bigger predator or stolen by some asshole? I'd NEVER subject my dog to that and don't let him eat critters that likely have some kind of vermin or parasites, seeing as I love him, am responsible for what he does and responsible for his health and wellbeing. Seems common sense to me that if you own a pet you're responsible for what it does, and you bloody well SHOULD care what your pet is subjecting your neighbors to.


Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
95. I completely agree.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:47 PM
Feb 2013

My Mom has a huge problem with the neighbors cats that have multiplied into a about a dozen now. They have gotten under my Mothers house and have pissed and sprayed, torn up insulation, and chewed through wires.

The piss and crap all over the yard, so my Mothers dogs now have to be taken out on leashes in a fenced back yard so that they don't eat the cat crap or worse....roll in it. UGH. It's bullshit that My Mom has to do this! She has a fenced yard and should be able to use it!

We spoke to the neighbors, called the city.. they don't care. They were finally forced to stop feeding them or face daily fines... the cats have persisted though. I've been looking at rescue groups to come and help but they are so overwhelmed that there is a waiting list!

I love cats, don't get me wrong... just had to put down my seventeen year old sweetie that was a big part of my life! She was never an outdoor cat.. ever. She was a Diva that was loved and stayed indoors all of her life which is why I think she lived that long. My dogs don't go roaming the streets uncontrolled! I love my pets and take CARE of them.

It pisses me off that there are people that just let their cats roam. Take responsibility for your animals dammit!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
99. It sounds to me
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:51 PM
Feb 2013

like the cat was hoping and praying that you would adopt it. That's how I got this addition to the family. The poor girl was starving, and she just wormed her way into my heart, and now she is a mostly indoor cat that likes to curl up and sleep on the futon or in the bed You would never know that she was half feral and relying on critters for her meals if you saw her now, because she is sweet as pie.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
66. Most of the predation is done by feral cats
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:30 PM
Jan 2013
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/study-shows-cats-kill-37-billion-birds-and-207-billion-mice-annually

Loss also added wild or free-ranging cats without owners, of which he estimated to be between 30 and 80 million.

"We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.4 to 3.7 billion birds and 6.9 to 20.7 billion mammals annually," the study explains.

"Unowned cats, as opposed to owned pets, cause the majority of this mortality."
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
87. Norweigen Rats
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:05 PM
Feb 2013

Last edited Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:45 AM - Edit history (1)

All came on ships.

90% of the species.

Those are FACTS.

EDIT and you are correct. I think I replied to the wrong post, sorry if it caused confusion, GC

Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
84. Seen dogs taking out big birds and other wildlife like in your picture.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:31 PM
Feb 2013

Why aren't all these articles mentioning them? The fact is cats and dogs are predators and they will hunt and kill. The practical way is to control the feral cat population like they do in my county. We have a catch and release program in my county. The cats are neutered and released back into the fields. Volunteers man feeding stations so that they get enough to eat and don't have to hunt. It also stops breeding so that the landscape isn't overrun by starving feral cats. They do their job in controlling rodent populations. Ever heard of bubonic plague?

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
93. Blame idiotic humans who don't spay or neuter their pets -- cats are just doing what
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:17 PM
Feb 2013

instinct tells them to do.

If humans were responsible creatures, we wouldn't have so many ferals -- sure, there'd be some, but not the abundance we have today.

OwnedByCats

(805 posts)
113. Yes
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:28 AM
Feb 2013

this is how I see it. We have feral cats because people were irresponsible and didn't spay/neuter and they get abandoned, they reproduce as they do, then all if a sudden you have huge populations of them. These cats are just being cats.

Put the blame where it belongs, the irresponsible people who allow this to happen.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
105. That's one damn tough cat to take down a mudhen. Not a big loss.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:51 AM
Feb 2013

Cats do however, kill a lot of songbirds. We once had a cat who caught and killed a flying squirrel. That was one talented cat.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
4. the issue is with feral cats, yet the last articles I have read have specified "house cats"
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jan 2013

THAT was dumb, IMO and is why that argument will go no where. The issue isn't indoor cats, but FERAL DOMESTICATED cats. Likewise there is a major problem with feral dogs in some areas.
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/30/death_to_the_house_cat_partner/


Not to worry, though... The kitty is already out of the bag and is not about to go back in!

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
23. Yeah, blaming housecats is inappropriate.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jan 2013

It's the tame but indoor/outdoor (or exclusively outdoor) and the feral cats that are killing birds. NOT the ones that live safely indoors.

People need to spay/neuter, keep kitties indoors most if not all of the time, and the feral cat colony thing needs to be re-examined.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
24. Which is why this thread is so amusing to me
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jan 2013

It's like gun owners assuming that an attack on some guns is an attack on all guns.

I don't think asking people to keep their cats indoors is unreasonable.

Response to XemaSab (Reply #24)

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
114. It's good for the cat and good for the environment to keep the kitties indoors
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:39 AM
Feb 2013

they live longer, and the things that they consider "prey", including beautiful songbirds, will live longer too.

as for the varmints everyone is complaining about, there are birds of prey and other "wild" life perfectly designed and often native to take care of them.

it's funny how people who claim to love cats and the environment are offended by advice that benefits both.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
35. But they do barf, scratch furniture and piss and poop at inappropriate places.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jan 2013

And fight and bully other cats and tease the dog. I know that for a fact. Plus some of them are friggin prima donnas who have to have their food "just so." And some Persians cats are evil. You can't turn your back on some of them.

OwnedByCats

(805 posts)
115. Quite a broad brush don't you
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:45 AM
Feb 2013

think? I've had quite a few cats in my life and while on occasion they barf, I've never had one eliminate inappropriately, expect their food to be "just so", scratch the furniture or behave in any kind of evil fashion.

I will grant you, some cats have distasteful behavior, but many times that is due to their environment more than anything else and it can be changed. Watch "My Cat From Hell" some time. The guy in that show has helped a lot of cat owners change the outrageous behavior of their cats with just a few simple changes, some of which have to do with their attitudes towards their cat as cats can be very sensitive to the negativity of their owner. They can feel it many times.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
72. Mine is fixed, lives indoors most of the time, and
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:13 PM
Feb 2013

Last edited Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:44 AM - Edit history (6)

is currently probably curled up on the futon. It has taken time to gain her trust to transition her into a housecat, but she is very well-mannered.

She does like to hunt, though, and I'm not certain anything I could possibly do would break that habit. She has gotten a lot fatter, and is less inclined to hunt than she is to menace other cats coming into her "territory", but she's still a cat that learned to survive after nearly starving to death.

She is probably the sweetest cat I've ever had, and even a hint of disapproval causes her to not do whatever she did again with just a gentle "no". She won't attack the wrens building nests in the rafters because I told her no, if you can believe it.

She's just a plain tabby cat, though, so unless you knew her personality, you'd probably think her feral or mean. She's sweeter than my fluffy himalayan, and better mannered too, and the fluffy one hasn't ever set foot outside except by accident.

That's her playing with a silly toy I made for her out of an old sock .



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In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
15. I had no idea.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jan 2013

I meant no disrespect to Ms. Spears.

I have several of her CDs.

And wish her success!

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
8. Because cats are FUCKING EVIL!
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jan 2013







Or, some people are depressed that they don't have that magic thing inside them that draws animals to them?
 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
20. My old big orange neutered male cat talks a lot too
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jan 2013

Sometimes he starts MAOing at some odd hour of the night. I taught him how to talk, and he sure knows how to project and take advantage of room acoustics.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
91. Until this big orange male kitty adopted us, mr. gut didn't get along with animals
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:05 PM
Feb 2013

Then this bruiser of a cat just loved him up until he relented, it was so funny to watch

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
106. My dad hated cats
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:00 AM
Feb 2013

until my fluffy Himalayan came along. Now he is her biggest advocate. She LOVES him and has started staying there. I don't think you could part the two of them with a crowbar. I don't know what it is about her, but he just adores her. I think she is pretty much his cat now, not mine LOL.

OwnedByCats

(805 posts)
117. My dad
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:50 AM
Feb 2013

was the same way. He wasn't a huge fan if cats until my mom got a Himalayan. He bonded with her so much it shocked me. My dad is not a cryer, but when she died he cried like a baby.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
9. We could always start some anti-Grackle threads.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jan 2013

Maybe someone also knows how to train cats to only hunt rodents, both the four-legged and "flying" kinds

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
16. I have two domesticated cats, and they are so sweet and adorable. The only thing they hurt are their
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jan 2013

rabbit-haired mouse toys.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
56. awwww
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jan 2013

Reminds me of the litter Bob and Ralph came from. Bob was yellow and Cadphie is a bit like the far left kitty. Yep, she's a Democrat cat.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
43. Has anyone seen what MILLIONS of starlings do do crops?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:58 PM
Jan 2013

IMPORTED starlings that ravage my bird feders so my Kitteh TV is usually turned off during the day......


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,738474,00.html

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
107. I'd recruit mine, but she is currently
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:06 AM
Feb 2013

piled up asleep. She could take care of that problem if she wasn't eating Fancy Feast and generally being loved on. Maybe she could fill in for an hour or two

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
108. My cat's an indoor only type.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:12 AM
Feb 2013

Oh, he'll sneak out, but run right back in as soon as someone is seen moving around below the balcony. I think he only likes "talking" to the birdies

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
111. Well, there ya go then! :)
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:29 AM
Feb 2013

I have mine on a thyroid medication, so he's getting canned food all the time now. Normally, he finishes it (half of a 5.5oz can) in about five minutes, and there goes 1.5 crushed pills!

He's still active, just inside. He is weird in that he won't kill bugs, but will sit in front of them, watching, or maybe waiting for me to do something about it

sunwyn

(494 posts)
22. Yep cats do damage but so do most
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jan 2013

other predators. And we all know what creature is the most destructive to wildlife - humans.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
29. The point of the article was that of all the ways humans damage native wildlife
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:54 PM
Jan 2013

cats are the worst.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
30. That's the elephant in the room that all the anti-cat people conveniently ignore
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jan 2013

Houses and landscaping in suburban and urban environments completely alter the ecosystem. Exotic trees and shrubs may be suitable habitats for some native species, but not for all, and they are attractive to exotic animals.

Human habitation provides opportunities for animals that we regard (rightly) as vermin to thrive. Cats, and dogs to some extent, serve as valuable controls to keep rats and mice, etc. from getting completely out of hand.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
112. But we won't talk about that
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:58 AM
Feb 2013

It isn't as though human being alter the landscape, no it must be the cats causing problems. Uh huh.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
33. In invite all the neighborhood cats to come into my yard and kill all the house sparrows they can!
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jan 2013

They congregate in my spirea bush in the back yard.

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=1258

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
120. I am allergic to them
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:21 PM
Feb 2013

And I think they are sneaky and snobby!
Too much shedding. Many cats I have encountered are attack cats who like to sneak up on you and jump and claw you.
Just nasty little buggers.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
121. Wow
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:33 PM
Feb 2013

I've personally never had a cat attack me from behind, nor owned one that did that to anyone. Certainly they can flip out as any mammal can, but is this based upon an experience with one specific cat?

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
38. I was quite happy to have my daughter and her three cats move in here temporarily
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:48 PM
Jan 2013

a couple of years ago because we had a vole/shrew infestation that we couldn't keep up with using our live traps. After about a week of the cats here, the voles were gone, and we haven't seen any inside since. My old cat is too old and arthritic to do much hunting these days. She goes outside sometimes in the summer, but she just lays on the poirch in the sun.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
48. Because an anti-cat thread amongst the daily dozen other cat-lover threads is some sort of outrage?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jan 2013

Why not just trash threads that don't idolize cats?

G_j

(40,367 posts)
60. Been posting for weeks
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jan 2013

about the all out slaughter of hundreds of wolves in this country. Less than a handful have shown any interest. This place is just a big bag of wind these days. I've been here for a long time. I really don't find it very compelling anymore.

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
67. It kills me
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:08 PM
Jan 2013

kills me for anyone to blame any species besides humans for endangering wildlife.
Yes, ALL cats and dogs need to be spayed and neutered until the populations are manageable.
Yes, our exploitation of everything on earth needs to end to have any chance at slowing down the mass-extinction we started.
And Yes, factory meat farms are a horrific full-time 24/7 shame on our entire species.

And No, none of this can be blamed on any animal except humans. To pick out another species to blame is just sad.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
78. Norweigen rats swam here
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:58 PM
Feb 2013

all by themselves. They didn't ride here on boats due to the shipping trade and set up shop. No, not at all.

Domestic cats didn't sail on ships, either, because the friendly rat was particularly benign on the population of sailors and the ports they sailed into.

 
73. Ban the cats!!!
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:21 PM
Feb 2013

Just kidding. I live in a very nice neighborhood but it actually stinks around here from all the feral cat pee when we get rain and humidity. On the plus side they keep the scorpion population down. One that teases the dogs was killed the other night by a car. I hated it teasing the dogs but I'm sad it got it got hit. I pulled over to make sure it wasn't suffering. I wish people would spay and neuter.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
79. Do you live in Florida or the Southeast?
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:02 PM
Feb 2013

Because they have the cat pee tree. Just saying. If it is when you get rain and humidity, that is exactly when the cat pee tree releases its "essence".

Cat piss smelling tree: Large purple draping blossoms. Beautiful to look at, smells like, well, cat piss.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
74. THE AD-DRESSING OF CATS
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:33 PM
Feb 2013

You've read of several kinds of Cat,
And my opinion now is that
You should need no interpreter
to understand their character.
You now have learned enough to see
That Cats are much like you and me
And other people whome we find
Possessed of various types of mind.
For some are sane and some are mad
And some are good and some are bad
And some are better, some are worse -
But all may be described in verse.
You've seen them both at work and games,
And learnt about their proper names,
Their habits and their habitat:
But
How would you ad-dress a Cat?

So first, your memory I'll jog,
And say: A CAT IS NOT A DOG.

Now Dogs pretend they like to fight;
They often bark, more seldom bite;
But yet a Dog is, on the whole,
What you would call a simple soul.
Of course I'm not including Pekes,
And such fantastic canine freaks.
The usual Dog about the Town
Is much inclined to play the clown,
And far from showing too much pride
Is frequently undignified.
He's very easily taken in -
Just chuck him underneath the chin
Or slap his back or shake his paw,
And he will gambol and guffaw.
He's such an easy-going lout,
He'll answer any hail or shout.

Again I must remind you that
A Dog's a Dog - A CAT'S A CAT.

With Cats, some say, one rule is true:
Don't speak till you are spoken to.
Myself, I do not hold with that -
I say, you should ad-dress a Cat.
But always keep in mind that he
Resents familiarity.
I bow, and taking off my hat,
Ad-dress him in this form: O CAT!
But if he is the Cat next door,
Whom I have often met before
(He comes to see me in my flat)
I greet him with an OOPSA CAT!
I've heard them call him James Buz-James -
But we've not got so far as names.
Before a Cat will condescend
To treat you as a trusted friend,
Some little token of esteem
Is needed, like a dish of cream;
And you might now and then supply
Some caviare, or Strassburg Pie,
Some potted grouse, or salmon paste -
He's sure to have his personal taste.
(I know a Cat, who makes a habit
Of eating nothing else but rabbit,
And when he's finished, licks his paws
So's not to waste the onion sauce.)
A Cat's entitled to expect
These evidences of respect.
And so in time you reach your aim,
And finally call him by his NAME.

So this is this, and that is that:
And there's how you AD-DRESS A CAT.

--T.S. Eliot

 

EastKYLiberal

(429 posts)
75. I think it's cute when my cat is carrying around a dead bird or mouse...
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:35 PM
Feb 2013

He holds his head up with pride and I reward him with pettings.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
80. Been getting e-mails from a cat organization
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:17 PM
Feb 2013

that these stories are being pushed heavily online and have been since there was a story on 20/20 (I think) about the shrinking population of some birds. Sad that it's here too, but we've never been invulnerable against trendy hate stories.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
101. Even if there weren't a bird issue keeping your cats inside is the best thing FOR YOUR CATS.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:58 PM
Feb 2013

This shouldn't be a conflict at all.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
102. I had some feral cats once. Or rather I was employed by some feral cats once.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:31 AM
Feb 2013

Two of them ended up in my house close to Christmas one year. They got in through the crawl space. Imagine my surprise when a large orange cat peeked at me from my living room closet. I lured him out with some tuna. Later a big grey cat came by she wasn't as friendly. They both liked picking on my puppy though who soon learned to avoid them unless she wanted some claws upside her nose.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
123. There was another post talking about how Pro dog GD was and the Lounge was Pro cat
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:47 PM
Feb 2013

I guess the lines have been drawn.

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