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(15,682 posts)collectively throughout the country?
sasha031
(6,700 posts)203 people shot and we've just started the evening.
valerief
(53,235 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)the report. What the he'll is happening to a country where a middle schooler shoots another 14 year old at school? The gun-love is insane!
That's the number shot, not dead, but I bet it's a typical day, adding up to about 70,000 - 75,000 injured by a gun per year, 11,000 killed.
randome
(34,845 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)oh, wait...
Laurian
(2,593 posts)with people? Seems like a every little slight (both real and perceived) is resulting in a shoot out. Since when is this the way to resolve differences? I'd prefer to just say,"Fuck it" and walk away. Gun violence always destroys the perpetrator and their family as well as the victim and their family. We are ending up with a whole lot of damaged people in this society.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Most of the rest were criminals (People with prior criminal records) shooting innocent people. Violent criminals don't pay any attention to gun laws.
Very few of them were law-abiding people shooting anybody.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)The stats say about 77,000-78,000 people were injured in 2011.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)They have those silly outdoor cafes and museums and stuff.
We have FREEDOM and violence and death! Who wouldn't want to be like US???
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)AR-15s on their hips: to wit, in a right-wing-soused society, one's right to pack heat trumps others' right to life, liberty, and happiness.
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NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)Skittles
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Death machines are okay because you do not know everything about them. Get that? That is the argument. Stupid, isn't it? I would suggest before driving a car you should become a certified Master Mechanic. Makes sense, doesn't it?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)/sarcasm
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Don't worry, gun nuts. You're fringe enough already.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)because they're all protecting us from Obama's black helicopter UN takeover.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)During the Vietnam war they reported the deaths and new totals daily...it made a big difference and eroded ever more support for the war.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)I believe the Pentagon issued a weekly casualty list and that's what the networks reported.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)they did it that way...but I seem to remember it being daily as the war dragged on. If you recall, the nightly news was full of horrific scenes coming from inside Vietnam. Even a weekly report would do much to move this debate forward.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Somehow I don't remember all that ghastly video. I was quite young. Maybe it is a repressed memory.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I can remember thinking, in 1963, that I was glad the war would be over by the time my younger brother would be old enough to serve. He was killed in Binh Long Province in June of 1969...and the war dragged on and on and on.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)There is so much to be said about that colossal mistake. I think I will leave that for some other time.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I read "America's Stolen Narrative" last week...I now loathe Nixon even more than I did before. If I believed in hell, I would wish him into the hottest corner.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)The war war a poorly concieved poorly executed excursion. What exactly are the networks 'exposing'?
A bunch of poorly trained gun owners? Poor firearms legislation? Poor atf oversight?
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)That people who live in rural America have no idea of how many people are killed daily by guns? That if everyone knew, had it held up to their faces on a daily basis, they would begin to understand that changes need to be made? Most people do not want to confiscate guns from law abiding, sane citizens, they just want to find ways to make it much harder for the criminals and crazies to get guns.
This nonsense about the second amendment wasn't an issue until the crazies took over the NRA in 1977. It is a tool for the gun manufacturers, who really don't give a shit how many innocent people, including hundreds of children, are killed every year. Just like the oil & coal companies don't care what fossil fuels are doing to the planet and the health insurance and healthcare industries don't care about anything other than their profits.
I think most Americans are decent people, who would strongly support efforts to curtail gun violence if faced with the evidence.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)And television will explain that to the poor unenlightened rural people.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Why do you think Bush I banned the press from being at Dover AFB when the flag draped coffins arrived? A policy that wasn't reversed until Obama took office. It is the constant reminder of the realities of gun violence that need to be hammered home...and not to just rural Americans, although they see much less of it than people who live in or around large cities.
No one, certainly not I, said that rural Americans are unenlightened. However, gun violence is not part of their nightly news cast like it is here. I think because most people living in rural America don't receive a daily dose of gun violence, they can't appreciate how pervasive the problem has become. I also think we have a lot of suburban people, particularly those living in "high rent' communities who aren't as aware as they should be. I transitioned from 'rural Americans' to 'everyone', was that too subtle for you?
Deep13
(39,154 posts)...that seems a bit low.
Unless you mean that this is for one state or country or whatever.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)There s/b zero gun-related DEATHS.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)I was simply clarifying the question...
Why the implication that I feel that this is any more or any less tragic had I been one of the victims?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Even in 1995 that high a level was unheard of
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)"While the ratio varies, there are an average of five nonfatal firearm injuries for every two firearm deaths."
An average number of people getting shot would be 221, with 88 of them dying from it.
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/resourcebook/pdf/monograph.pdf
Bake
(21,977 posts)What does that number include? How many were law-enforcement related? How many were suicides?
The raw number tells us very damn little, and going crazy over it makes no sense.
Bake
Cynicus Emeritus
(172 posts)How much violence do the networks and Hollywood portray annually in their TV shows, movies and video games? It isn't just what comes out of their studios. It is how many per day on every channel and in every theater, in every venue, in locations throughout the country 1000-10000-100,000? It's amounts to one hxll of a lot of bad influence on vulnerable people.
Everyone of these orchestrated pretend deaths hard wires some of the people to look at violence as their way of life. The media is outrageously hypocritical on gun violence as they use it to profit in their movies, TV shows and as they also hype tragic news events. The media is a prime player in gun violence and the media elites pretend to oppose it.
MightyMopar
(735 posts)The problem is the easy access to guns in America.
Cynicus Emeritus
(172 posts)as is shown in the USA. British TV for example doesn't have the violence that is portrayed on our present day cable and networks.
The entertainment industry is a primary causal factor in gun violence. They've always been able to influence the common folk and puppets but mostly in a negative way, just as their PR arm convinced women that it was cool to smoke (i.e. kill themselves) in the earlier part of the 20th century. If Hollywood was interested in positively influencing society they easily could do it by making drugs and violence un-cool. They don't because they put $$$$ first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_smoking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom
Aerows
(39,961 posts)they show on TV and at the movie theaters in Japan? And yet they don't have a problem with 203 people getting shot per day.
It's the easy access to guns that is the problem. Pretending that it is anything else is to blindly ignore reality.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Easy access to guns is the problem.
In places like Australia with strong gun laws they see all the same TV shows, movies and play the same video games. The death toll doesn't even come close.
It's the uncontrolled guns.
We should not repeat ridiculous NRA talking points.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)Until then, can't you try and come up with something we haven't heard for 35 years already?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Something of a jump up from last year.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Why is this so hard to believe?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Not everyone shot, dies.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I had misread it as deaths. My bad.
Robb
(39,665 posts)I would not call those great odds.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Will dig that up...
Robb
(39,665 posts)"While the ratio varies, there are an average of five nonfatal firearm injuries for every two firearm deaths."
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/resourcebook/pdf/monograph.pdf
Recursion
(56,582 posts)When people come in with gunshots. I concede the point.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)That's 74,095 a year. Which is, apparently, about "normal". (I checked; fatal, non-fatal, deliberate and accidental shootings in the USA? About seventy-five thousand per year.)
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Is that 203 today, or to date this year?
How many were accidents?
How many were suicides?
How many were in self-defense?
How many were cold-blooded murders?
How many were gang-related?
How many were with "assault-rifles?"
If we passed a law against assault and murder then...oh, wait, we have those laws.
Well, if we banned gun x, y or z, would the number, where ever it came from, be less?
Can we count on criminals to obey new gun laws, turning in "bad" guns, if necessary?
Will disarming law-abiding citizens do anything to the gun death rampages in Chicago or DC?
Or elsewhere?
Or anywhere?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Robb
(39,665 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Brian Willams on NBC News just threw out the number. Some were fatalities and I'm sure some were other, but its just a broad number of "shootings" in a day.
They did mention that year to date, Chicago has had more than 40 murders.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)Now, imagine they all got shot today.
That's a lot, friends.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)...had there not been people waving their firearms at thugs threateningly in wholly unverifiable yet amazingly high numbers!
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Works out to what percent of the population?
But hey, we have a 24x7x365 news station with not much to cover so let's keep hawking on guns (or whatever the shiny object people are looking at this week).
It works too. People gasp! Oh my goodness, look at those numbers. 204 people in a day is so many.
Automobiles kill 117 Americans a day and we are not even talking about injuries or general accidents (not to mention pollution which leads to diseases and such). And we regulate the hell out of cars.
One could go on and on, but people soak up news that bolsters their ideals and there are plenty of peddlers of it to help them in their bubble (see last election....).
Oh and did those 203 count people our government shot or was there any mention of the drones you and I are paying for that kill more kids and innocent people all the time? Oh.....that is not a crime because we all chip in for it and we all own those weapons together. I was wondering why the news was not all over that (or du for that matter).
Back to focusing on our citizens.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)you really need to some reflection as to what is important.
snort
(2,334 posts)Right. Now it is time to regulate the hell out of guns.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Packing heat at the Indra cafe in Eugene Oregon accidentally shot himself while in the bathroom.