The Stupid Is Strong

[Unknown Beatle]

[hfojvt]

1. Is hate radio supposed to fix it?

Because that seems like kind of a stupid idea.

[CranialRectaLoopback]

2. I'm not sure pointing out stupidity qualifies as hate.

If that is what your response is suggesting

[hfojvt]

3. that's your opinion

LOL

I think the whole purpose of that ad is to generate hate or contempt. For fans of this radio show to feel smarter by laughing at the hapless idiots who "do not trust the President". See how stupid the Sharks are? It is so cool to be a Jet and to mock the stupidity of the Sharks.

[coyotespaw]

4. Rex Ryan makes it impossible

to respect the Jets. This is coming from a fan of the team that dodged that bullet.

[hfojvt]

8. when I speak of the Jets, despite my icon

I am talking about a gang, not a football team.

And not even a football team that acts and plays like a gang

Jets and Sharks. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/122

Not Jets and Dolphins.

West Side Story not NFL.

[Blue_In_AK]

6. Shannyn is not at all like that.

I know her personally. She's been speaking a lot of truth here for a lot of years and she has endured threats. I think she's justified in pointing out "the stupid."

[hfojvt]

9. she may not be like that

but the ad is.

To me, threats come from "the mean" and not "the stupid". Then again, many people will get mean when they are mocked and laughed at.

[farminator3000]

27. you think the guy is just mean, and not stupid???

To me, threats come from "the mean" and not "the stupid".

the idea of 'causing the shooting' is beyond stupid to begin with.

the fact that is was after the actual election, well, we might have to invent a whole new word for that!!
brain-daz-ficient-dim-otic-becilic-able, loser?

ludicrous, meaningless, mindless, moronic, naive, nonsensical, obtuse, out to lunch, pointless, puerile, rash, senseless, shortsighted, simple, simpleminded, slow, sluggish, stolid, stupefied, thick, thick-headed, trivial, unintelligent, unthinking, witless
Notes: stupid refers to lack of ability while ignorant refers to lack of knowledge

so he's both stoopid AND ignorant!

and mean!

i disagree with the word 'strong' in the ad-
it should have said 'the stupid is LARGE' or 'racism is extensive' or 'people who repeat alex joneses' crap are stupid, watch out for these fools, there could be one in your workplace'

i don't think repeating something a hate-monger 'thinks' counts as free speech.

more like adult bullying.

look up the concept of groupthink. it is NOT a good thing.

[hatrack]

40. Sorry, when someone says something that's blatantly stupid or crazy, we're not allowed to note . . .

. . . that what they said is, in fact, blatantly stupid or crazy, because doing so would be "hateful"?

Yes, let's just nod quietly and smile, and go along to get along with the delusional worldviews of others.

Let's just keep biting our tongues and changing the subject.

Let's never challenge flaming ignorance or fourth-hand paranoia or straight-up bullshit, because that would make us just like them, right?

Whatever.

[hfojvt]

43. you realize that that is like the false choice that the warmongers made

They were all over the place saying that the only alternative to invading Iraq was "doing nothing".

There are non-hateful ways to refudiate people without making blanket accusations like "the stupid is strong" which presumably are aimed at millions of Americans.

Ultimately, "you are wrong" is a little bit more convincing as a response than "you are an idiot" even if the same proof follows both statements. The hateful response is not the only possible challenge.

Of course, it is not like I always practice what I preach http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021975086#post10

[libtodeath]

10. Pointing out the idiocy of repukes is hate?

[hfojvt]

13. "repukes"

by which you mean "sharks". Is it hateful to call people names, to mock them and laugh at them?

[libtodeath]

14. Whatever

[farminator3000]

28. is REPUGNANT-BIGOTANS better?

more accurate, for sure.

[hfojvt]

31. you are not doing a good job

of proving that you are not espousing hate

[farminator3000]

32. but i'm doing a good job of exposing stupidity

and dialing back my 'disdain' a notch or...

just 1 notch, really.

calling stupid = to stupid is the truth, i wouldn't bring up hate unless i was asking the stupid guy why he's filled with it...

you are the one that seems to be 'discussing' hate, or your 'version' of it.

[hfojvt]

35. Is calling a Republican a "repuke" equal to hate?

it is hateful to call somebody a name, and no less hateful if the name is true.

Sometimes people try to hurt my feelings by calling me stupid.

And it does not work, because I am pretty secure in my intelligence. So I just laugh at them.

Now if you called me a loser, that would hurt, because it is true.

[farminator3000]

37. no- it is a way for people to express the fact that republicans make them want to vomit

like this-


often on a daily basis.

they use it among like minded individuals who understand exactly what it means.

i am feeling a bit nauseous for some reason myself- perhaps too much coffee.

or maybe its you.

[hfojvt]

38. "so you call her on the phone

to talk about the teachers that you hate..."

they use it among "like minded individuals"

meaning of course, those who love to drink the haterade.

[farminator3000]

42. which one is it now, MLK or the KNACK?

good girls don't defend newt gingrich.

[CranialRectaLoopback]

15. I love your reference to West Side Story!

And of course it is my opinion. Who's opinion would it be?

Not trusting the president and claiming that fact is opinion, as the add suggests, are completely different. If event A happens after event B, the timeline is not opinion. To claim it is opinion IS stupid, and that stupidity should be called out early and often.

But that's just Ralph's opinion.

[hfojvt]

17. I used the same closing line as the ad in the OP

My own opinion differs.

I do not disagree that what he said is stupid. The point is that this caller is being held up, put in the pillory, as an example of ALL those who "do not trust the President'. Out of all the examples of her show that could have been used, why tell THIS story?

Because it fits a frame that we love. The frame of gang warfare. The frame that says our gang of Jets is smart and decent and kind and honest and their gang of Sharks is stupid and indecent (did you see the tweets about Gabrielle Giffords?) and mean and hypocritical. We love to tell the story, we love to hear the story, because it helps us to feel superior to thee.

Meanwhile the hate mongers on the other side will search out the most ridiculous, the most dishonest and the dumbest things said by members of our gang (perhaps they could be directed to this post I am writing right now) so they too can feel superior.

Most importantly, we both get fired up for the next rumble.

It's like Jay Gould said. "I can hire half of the working class to kill the other half."

In this way, we the people stay divided and thus we stay conquered. NEITHER political party is representing the working class, but we make sure to keep hating, and keep fighting as if one side is.

But as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, et. al. show, you can make a decent living stirring up hate. A very decent living. I expect Ms. Radio Show wants a piece of that pie.

[CranialRectaLoopback]

20. You make a very cogent argument.

I admit I am caught up on the my gang vs. their gang mentality.

I'm not sure I can successfully refute your case and I appreciate that. The scenario you describe reminded me of. Star Trek episode where a life form thrived on the hatred between two gangs, and continued to set the environment to inflame the hatred.

We are being set up to oppose one another, and that is truly sad, and will be undoing, in the long run.

[hfojvt]

21. I watched a lot of Star Trek as a young teen

perhaps made an impression. It was a theme of many episodes.

The one with the hideous entity stirring up hate between the kids and the adults. The one with the kids who never got old (actually they lived hundreds of years as children, but then died when they hit puberty) and hated the "grups" - "bonk, bonk on the head, bonk, bonk". The one with the half white/half black reverse twins who had wiped each other out, and the last two continued to fight. There was some of that in the episode with the lava world with Lincoln and the Vulcan founder and even with the Gorn. Kirk and company would fight, but refused to hate, refused to kill.

[CranialRectaLoopback]

22. Damn, they do all fit the bill.

I was thinking of the one where the Federation and the Klingons were trapped on the Enrerprise. They could fight, but never die, and no side ever gained the upper hand

[farminator3000]

29. It's like Jay Gould said. "I can hire half of the working class to kill the other half." ?????

not sure if i follow-

you say the 8th worst CEO of all time is a good authority on how society works?

are you an ayn rand fan?

are you paul ryan working 'undercover' on some internet propaganda shenanigans???

[farminator3000]

24. not hate radio at all. it could have been less polite and more true and said 'racism' not 'stupid'

you have it ALL wrong- the source of the lunatic racism is hate radio or actually world net daily, probably.

nothing wrong with informing people it exists- the 1st amendment, got it?

the HATE is the stuff the stupid guy is spewing- it isn't her fault he called.

you can't let something like that exist in public without calling it out-

i hope the guy got 'corrected' by someone he actually knows, too.

that SH conspiracy crap is DISGUSTING, it stuns me that such a large group of people can be so stupid, ignorant, AND mean.

that 'gang' thing you mention is more like good vs. evil.

[hfojvt]

25. actually I appear to have it right

I said

"Because it fits a frame that we love. The frame of gang warfare. The frame that says our gang of Jets is smart and decent and kind and honest and their gang of Sharks is stupid and indecent (did you see the tweets about Gabrielle Giffords?) and mean and hypocritical. We love to tell the story, we love to hear the story, because it helps us to feel superior to thee."

The story told in the ad stirs up HATE against them - they are "racists" and "disgusting" and "evil".

My Oxford Desk dictionary lists synonyms for "disgust" - "loathing, contempt, hatred".

You said "It isn't her fault he called"

But it IS her fault that his call was put on the air. Somebody from her show took the call and decided "let's put this guy on the air". Further, it is her fault that his call was used in this ad. Whoever is responsible for the ad is trying to stir up that hatred against the Sharks - that gang of evil.

You think the hatred is justified, but that is what the hater ALWAYS thinks.

You think they hated first, and perhaps they did, but I agree with Martin Luther King

"The nonviolent resister would contend that in the struggle for human dignity, the opporessed people of the world must not succumb to the temptation of becoming bitter or indulging in hate campaigns. To retaliate in kind would do nothing but intensify the existence of hate in the universe." "Stride toward freedom"

[farminator3000]

26. actually you think you are superior to mee, not 'us to thee'

first of all, are you saying the guy isn't stupid?

you are wrong there.

are you saying calling stupid stupid is hate?

again wrong. calling obama stupid because he's black would be hate.

calling a stupid person stupid is called THE TRUTH. does that truth hurt YOU?

no.

it is the stupid man engaging in gang warfare- all the ad does is say-
'look at stupid. be aware of stupid. he might be in the next cubicle in your office. he might have a gun, and he's stupid, so watch out.'

like a PSA (public service)

so YOU can either defend the guy, or hopefully have some contempt. you have no right to deny my saying 'i hate stupid'

good choice to put him on the air- maybe there is someone out there who thinks the same way as him (unfortunately millions of peeps, really) and will think twice when hearing him ridiculed in public for his stupid and offensive 'ideas', which are actually some sort of fucked up racist propaganda.

go to world net daily and tell me the owners and readers of that site aren't 100% stupid, hateful scum.

and you suggest the attitude of 'they are allowed to express their feelings'?

well, so am i-->they are all turds with feet and mouths but no normal brain functions.

the 'loathing contempt and hatred' is DESERVED, for promoters of evil stupid.

i'm not disagreeing with MLK, just you.

i am not being oppressed by the stupid, so no need to be polite.

mr. stupid is so far gone, i don't think his 'hate' could get any worse.

to put it another way 'you are stupid. i hate you and the place your stupid comes from'

is WAY different than 'the Pres. is a child killing conspirator'.

like those idiots that yelled '2nd amendment' at the dad, at a public hearing, who lost a kid in CT.

stupid, stupid, STUPID! and your plea for PC-ness falls on deaf ears.

[hfojvt]

34. is it hateful to call a fat person fat? Is it hateful to call an ugly person ugly?

I would say that it is. Things do not become less hateful simply by virtue of being true. In fact, a true insult is clearly more hurtful than an untrue insult.

And it is definitely hateful to put somebody on a stage and to tell a crowd of people "look at how ugly this person is".

That does not become less hateful simply because it is true.

You are disagreeing with MLK if you think hatred is deserved. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=228358

But I am not saying that you do not have a right to disagree with MLK, nor to fully express your disagreement. Rush Limbaugh apparently has a 1st Amendment right to become a multi-millionaire by spewing hate. This lady has that same right should she choose to go down that path.

I have the same right to say I think that is the wrong path and that it will have negative consequences for all of us.

I choose a different path. I think people should follow Martin instead of following Rush.

[farminator3000]

36. you posted a link where you are defending NEWT GINGRICH and saying you are a democrat?

and you are quoting MLK?



i'm not arguing with MLK- i'm arguing with YOU.

YOU are the only one concerned with hate here.

pointing out that the guy is stupid IS NOT HATE. it is a simple truth.

it would be hate if he was NOT stupid.

are you saying the guy isn't stupid?

and the people that invented the stupidity aren't evil?

if you are, it's america, go ahead, whatever, but i really don't want to know why.

there are plenty of stupid ugly people messing up others lives. they should be exposed.

they don't deserve politeness or equolence, so stop it with MLK.

i agree 100% with his thoughts- you cherry pick them for unknown reasons.

SPLC to Alabama school system: Stop excluding immigrant students from extracurricular activities
01/03/2013

[hfojvt]

39. pretty nice juxtaposition

"stop it with MLK

I agree 100% with his thoughts"

I hardly cherry-picked them. I put them in the context of three pages of his own book.

Haters always think their hatred is justified.

[farminator3000]

41. “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity.”

also MLK.

and-
“Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality.”

...

“The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people.”


i could keep going, but what's the point.

ok, one more-
“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”

[AtheistCrusader]

5. Industrial strength.

[kentuck]

7. Or was that Hurricane Sandy??

????

[sadbear]

16. That's my thought, too.

Of course, you have to wonder if the caller thought President Obama made that happen, too.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

11. Yeah, well you know...

[Zorra]

12. The inability of so many conservatives to be able to distinguish fact from fantasy

is truly frightening, and this is one primary reason that I avoid associating with conservatives to the greatest degree possible.

They directly and indirectly inevitably bring darkness, negativity, and destructive chaos into or near my space.

It takes work to not let them bring me down, and the truth is, I really wish I did not have to deal with them in any way on any level, neither directly nor from the consequences of their darkness and seemingly inalienable intrinsic confusion.

[Initech]

19. Yeah these Newtown conspiracy theorists are really getting under my skin.

Obama did not order a super secret army to invade Sandy Hook so he could get reelected and ban guns during his second term.

And I really despise the Glenn Beck "logic" that oh they're just asking questions. Shut up. Maybe if these morons shut off hate radio and Fox News and thought for themselves they might actually read the facts rather than fantasy. It's truly fucked up.

[sad-cafe]

23. Oily taint says the same thing

that he caused the Sandy Hook massacre

[Zorra]

30. That's a perfect example of how out of touch with reality that many conservatives are. Thanks.

It illustrates how a very substantial number of conservatives do not have the foundational cognitive processes to distinguish fantasy from fact.

John Stuart Mill's timeless quote is proven accurate once again:

“I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.”

[Initech]

18. Fucking elections... how do they work?

[Iris]

44. hahaha!

thanks!

[treestar]

33. And then there is the issue of why such a massacre helps Obama get elected

Are they admitting he is effective in a crisis?

[Quantess]

45. Are we supposed to give a shit about what some well-paid radio says about a terrible tragedy,

in which 26 or more children were killed...
...really?

WHO GIVES A FUCK what that stupid radio personality said or didn't say.