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7 Things Democrats Would Have Freaked Out About If Bush Had Done Them (Original Post) Peace_Sells Feb 2013 OP
yet another red herring sleight of hand. bush went to Iraq was what wasn't liked. graham4anything Feb 2013 #1
well, I think of it this way quinnox Feb 2013 #2
Needlessly divisive shitstirring. Where were YOU when Bush was running ramshod all over our rights? kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #3
And yet, we're still being ramshodded. villager Feb 2013 #5
Pretty much the truth on this site. white_wolf Feb 2013 #4
Maybe you should hang out somewhere else. Blanks Feb 2013 #6
Uglier packaging is how Bush's Assistant AG put it Catherina Feb 2013 #7
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
1. yet another red herring sleight of hand. bush went to Iraq was what wasn't liked.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:34 PM
Feb 2013

What wasn't liked was Bush going to Iraq when the real terrorists were in other places.

Everyone backed him going after OBL.

This Bush/everyone else is so tiring. Ralph Nader tried it and threw an election with that stale line.

btw, when an alt-media author uses the words "what a democrat would..."
that implies to me the writer is not a fan of the democratic party.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
2. well, I think of it this way
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:35 PM
Feb 2013

I am one of those who do have a huge problem with all this, but Obama has only 4 years left, and really, I don't think he can do much more damage in the civil liberties department. I am already looking to the 2016 election, and that is when all this stuff could be turned around with a new president. So yes, it sucks what is happening re: civil liberties, but things can change.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
4. Pretty much the truth on this site.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:47 PM
Feb 2013

It seems like a lot of Democrats and "liberals" are nothing more than team players. If it's their team doing it then they don't have a problem with it. I'm sure when a Republican president gains the office Democrats will start complaining about it all again.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
7. Uglier packaging is how Bush's Assistant AG put it
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:58 PM
Feb 2013

and he explains his reasoning item by item.

1. War v. Crime
2. Guantanamo Bay
3. Military detention
4. Habeas Corpus
5. Military Commissions
6. Targeted Killing
7. Rendition
8. Secret Prisons
9. Surveillance
10. State Secrets
11. Interrogation


His conclusion?

The main difference between the Obama and Bush administrations concerns not the substance of terrorism policy, but rather its packaging. The Bush administration shot itself in the foot time and time again, to the detriment of the legitimacy and efficacy of its policies, by indifference to process and presentation. The Obama administration, by contrast, is intensely focused on these issues.

...

A good example of these strategies in action is the Obama administration's "new" rationale for detaining enemy forces indefinitely without charge or trial. The administration took the same basic position as its predecessor but placed it in prettier wrapping. It eliminated the dreaded label "enemy combatant." It narrowed the scope of those who can be detained from persons who "support" al Qaeda and its affiliates to persons who "substantially support" them--a change without large practical consequences, but a change nonetheless. And it grounded its authority to detain in Congress's authorization for the war and the international laws of war, showing that the president's detention powers were approved by bodies outside the presidency. This was the Bush position as well, but with an important difference: The Bush administration argued that it could detain enemy soldiers on its own constitutional authority, and without congressional support. The Obama administration dropped this argument (but did not reject it), and won favorable press coverage for its "departure" from the Bush position even though the change affected nothing in the president's present power to detain.

...

the former vice president is wrong to say that the new president is dismantling the Bush approach to terrorism. President Obama has not changed much of substance from the late Bush practices, and the changes he has made, including changes in presentation, are designed to fortify the bulk of the Bush program for the long-run. Viewed this way, President Obama is in the process of strengthening the presidency to fight terrorism.


Jack Goldsmith, a professor at Harvard Law School and a member of the Hoover Institution Task Force on National Security and Law, was an Assistant Attorney General in the Bush administration and is the author of The Terror Presidency: Law and Judgment Inside the Bush Administration (W.W. Norton 2007).

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/the-cheney-fallacy


He wrote that in May 2009. 4 years later, he's must be pissing from joy.


Jack Landman Goldsmith (born September 26, 1962) is a Harvard Law School professor who has written a number of texts regarding international law, civil procedure, cyber law, and national security law.[1] He has been "widely considered one of the brightest stars in the conservative legal firmament."[2]

He was a law professor at the University of Chicago when in 2002, he joined the Bush administration as legal adviser to the General Counsel of the Department of Defense. In October 2003 he was appointed as an United States Assistant Attorney General, leading the Office of Legal Counsel in the Department of Justice under Attorney General John Ashcroft and Deputy Attorney General James Comey. He resigned in July 2004.[3] He wrote a book about his experiences there called The Terror Presidency (2007).[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Goldsmith

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