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Obama's national security policy has continued some of the most controversial moves of the Bush administration. Silence from much of the left. http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/things-democrats-would-have-freaked-out-about-if-bush-had-do
What will it take to wake people up? I would really like to know.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)What wasn't liked was Bush going to Iraq when the real terrorists were in other places.
Everyone backed him going after OBL.
This Bush/everyone else is so tiring. Ralph Nader tried it and threw an election with that stale line.
btw, when an alt-media author uses the words "what a democrat would..."
that implies to me the writer is not a fan of the democratic party.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I am one of those who do have a huge problem with all this, but Obama has only 4 years left, and really, I don't think he can do much more damage in the civil liberties department. I am already looking to the 2016 election, and that is when all this stuff could be turned around with a new president. So yes, it sucks what is happening re: civil liberties, but things can change.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)Alas.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)It seems like a lot of Democrats and "liberals" are nothing more than team players. If it's their team doing it then they don't have a problem with it. I'm sure when a Republican president gains the office Democrats will start complaining about it all again.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Is there someone forcing you to come here?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)and he explains his reasoning item by item.
1. War v. Crime
2. Guantanamo Bay
3. Military detention
4. Habeas Corpus
5. Military Commissions
6. Targeted Killing
7. Rendition
8. Secret Prisons
9. Surveillance
10. State Secrets
11. Interrogation
His conclusion?
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A good example of these strategies in action is the Obama administration's "new" rationale for detaining enemy forces indefinitely without charge or trial. The administration took the same basic position as its predecessor but placed it in prettier wrapping. It eliminated the dreaded label "enemy combatant." It narrowed the scope of those who can be detained from persons who "support" al Qaeda and its affiliates to persons who "substantially support" them--a change without large practical consequences, but a change nonetheless. And it grounded its authority to detain in Congress's authorization for the war and the international laws of war, showing that the president's detention powers were approved by bodies outside the presidency. This was the Bush position as well, but with an important difference: The Bush administration argued that it could detain enemy soldiers on its own constitutional authority, and without congressional support. The Obama administration dropped this argument (but did not reject it), and won favorable press coverage for its "departure" from the Bush position even though the change affected nothing in the president's present power to detain.
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the former vice president is wrong to say that the new president is dismantling the Bush approach to terrorism. President Obama has not changed much of substance from the late Bush practices, and the changes he has made, including changes in presentation, are designed to fortify the bulk of the Bush program for the long-run. Viewed this way, President Obama is in the process of strengthening the presidency to fight terrorism.
Jack Goldsmith, a professor at Harvard Law School and a member of the Hoover Institution Task Force on National Security and Law, was an Assistant Attorney General in the Bush administration and is the author of The Terror Presidency: Law and Judgment Inside the Bush Administration (W.W. Norton 2007).
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/the-cheney-fallacy
He wrote that in May 2009. 4 years later, he's must be pissing from joy.
He was a law professor at the University of Chicago when in 2002, he joined the Bush administration as legal adviser to the General Counsel of the Department of Defense. In October 2003 he was appointed as an United States Assistant Attorney General, leading the Office of Legal Counsel in the Department of Justice under Attorney General John Ashcroft and Deputy Attorney General James Comey. He resigned in July 2004.[3] He wrote a book about his experiences there called The Terror Presidency (2007).[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Goldsmith