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We're Not Saying Gays Are Pedophiles, But…
We're Not Saying Gays Are Pedophiles, But…
As soon as the story broke that the Boy Scouts of America was considering a change in its national ban on gay members, Religious Right leaders immediately claimed that such a move would lead to an increase in child abuse in the Scouts.
But in a desperate attempt to play the victim, the very same conservative activists are now upset that they are facing criticism over their attempts to connect homosexuality with pedophilia.
The American Family Association’s Sandy Rios invited Peter LaBarbera of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality onto her show today to defend her repeated attempts to link homosexuality with pedophilia, all the while claiming that she didn’t really say it, except that she did.
LaBarbera: I just think there’s so many levels on the Scout issue. First of all, just the whole thing of biology, I have a thirteen year old daughter, I don’t care how noble a guy is I wouldn’t want him out in a tent with my daughter. Do we want these young boys—and the fact is you read the writings of some of these men, I’m sorry it’s not nice, ‘hairless boys,’ you see this in the writings over the years, do we want that temptation in the Scouts? No. Also it’s already on record. We know that homosexual pedophiles go where the boys are. Whether it’s the Catholic Church, the schools, coaches—
Rios: Shall we say Jerry Sandusky.
LaBarbera: Jerry Sandusky, the Boy Scouts. This is already a record. Homosexuality and the Boy Scouts do not mix and it’s just something that’s not appropriate and parents don’t need that worry. You have the fact of the other problem, which there’s a lot of in homosexual life, is this boy-on-boy predations.
Responding to a listener named Lawrence, Rios said that schools should once again prohibit gays and lesbians from teaching or any job involving children because they have “sexual aberrations in their life,” arguing that openly gay teachers “opened the gates to all kind of stuff” like female teachers who sleep with male students.
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2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)and probably white. Are there any stats? I really don't think pedophilia is common in gay or lesbians is it?
If they want to keep out pedophiles in this way, they should ban all white males, I guess. That would seem to me the best bet.
Arkansas Granny
(31,519 posts)Most pedophiles are incapable of intimate relationships with other adults because they are attracted to prepubescent children.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)but I guess I always thought they were not all just loners but had some type of relationships. Hmm, interesting.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)The vast majority of pedophiles are men engaged in the abuse of young girls. Racially I would expect in this country that since whites are still the majority, the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual white men.
What these people fail to understand is there is a big difference between a pedophile (attracted to pre-pubescent children of one or other gender) and homosexuals (adults attracted to other adults of the same gender).
Pedophiles seek out children. I believe there is a gender attraction element to this ...i.e. a heterosexual pedophile man is attracted to young girls whereas a homosexual pedophile man is attracted to young boys. But otherwise the issue is they seek out vulnerable children and often exploit leadership or power roles to prey on their victims.
Homosexuals, not homosexual pedophiles, seek out adults of the same gender.
To exclude homosexuals from leadership in the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts would mean excluding male priests from any contact with pre-adult females. That is totally absurd.
You ferret out pedophiles and prevent them from having inappropriate contact. You do not exclude homosexual or heterosexual adults from engaging with children of either sex.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)as a reasonable guess, I'd say.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)perpetrators of sexual abuse against children are heterosexual males.
Not all sexual abusers of children are classified as pedophiles.
The global prevalence of child sexual abuse has been estimated at 19.7% for females and 7.9% for males, according to a 2009 study published in Clinical Psychology Review that examined 65 studies from 22 countries. Using the available data, the highest prevalence rate of child sexual abuse geographically was found in Africa (34.4%), primarily because of high rates in South Africa; Europe showed the lowest prevalence rate (9.2%); America and Asia had prevalence rates between 10.1% and 23.9%.[11] In the past, other research has concluded similarly that in North America, for example, approximately 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children.[12][13][14] Most sexual abuse offenders are acquainted with their victims; approximately 30% are relatives of the child, most often brothers, fathers, uncles or cousins; around 60% are other acquaintances such as 'friends' of the family, babysitters, or neighbors; strangers are the offenders in approximately 10% of child sexual abuse cases.[12] Most child sexual abuse is committed by men; studies show that women commit 14% to 40% of offenses reported against boys and 6% of offenses reported against girls.[12][13][15] Most offenders who sexually abuse prepubescent children are pedophiles,[16] although some offenders do not meet the clinical diagnosis standards for pedophilia.[17][18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Uh, what writings would those be?
Berserker
(3,419 posts)Reading over the years about sexual abuse of young boys by priests and today reading about 30,000 pages released about sexual abuse by priests would that not make them both pedophiles and homosexuals?
So wondering about homosexual scout leaders is I think legitimate for parents. It has nothing to do with what political party you belong to.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)You know how angry you post makes me feel? Just a shameful post.
Lex
(34,108 posts)Despicable homophobic bullshit.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The fact a jury allowed it is even worse.
Berserker
(3,419 posts)Because it was a question. Read it.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I do not know how you meant it but it came out horrible.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240220886
This is a meta post on your post. Someone alerted on you and a jury kept it. If you wish to defend yourself you might want to do it here as well.
I found your post disgraceful.
Berserker
(3,419 posts)And not read. Don't need to defend myself I was simply asking a question.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He did that to himself.
yardwork
(61,667 posts)At Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:01 AM you sent an alert on the following post:
That's because you just hate
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a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)This punctuation mark-?- at the end of a sentence implies a question. A period-.- implies a statement.
Did they not teach you that in second grade? See, that's a question. They must not have taught you that in second grade. That is a statement.
--from the daughter of a gay woman and niece of a gay man...who is not a pedophile. 
Berserker
(3,419 posts)Your post is BULLSHIT.
Lex
(34,108 posts)That's what you are defending?
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Another good thing for non-homophobes to do is to actually listen and try to understand when people react angrily to something such as this. Your post was offensive, clearly, to a number of people. I suggest trying to understand why it inspired such anger, rather than simply insisting that their reactions are flawed. That's not cool at all.
obamanut2012
(26,083 posts)Berserker
(3,419 posts)And not attack me maybe you will see what I am saying. And I never worry about gays do you worry about straight guys?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)What are you saying, because your post did not sound good at all.
Lex
(34,108 posts)Oh, really? Please elaborate.
Berserker
(3,419 posts)Please read my post. It is a question.
Lex
(34,108 posts)"wondering about homosexual scout leaders is I think legitimate for parents." = STATEMENT
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)How about parents just be responsible and worry about their kids in general regardless of someone's status in a certain category...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I will tone it down and simply say, I find your bigoted opinions concerning the LGBT community disgraceful.
Berserker
(3,419 posts)Think about your posts I would be kicked off DU after 9 years. You are disgraceful and to quick with your opinions.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And like with them, I am quite proud that I rub you the wrong way.
Berserker
(3,419 posts)I am a proud Liberal that would never listen to your show simply because of your hateful posts on DU.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)and I'm the King of England.
Gotta love those "progressive" gun nuts.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Berserker
(3,419 posts)A jury let it go because all I did was ask a question. But as usual I get attacked by my fellow DUers with nothing but hate and false conclusions.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)Don't try to hide behind "I was only asking a question" BS (not that it's often a valid excuse for anyone else, either). You made a statement. That's what you are being held accountable for. That's what is appalling about your post, and you whole attitude.
I notice that you haven't tried to answer #26; you've just tried to use the "all I did was ask a question" lie on someone else.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)
If you are the 'proud Liberal' you claim to be, you would know that your question is off the charts wrong. You would also know that this kind of bigotry would bring a bunch of anger raining down on you. And rightfully so. So, what was your real purpose in asking this 'question'?
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Berserker
(3,419 posts)Did you read my question or just go with hatred? All I asked for was a response to my question I never said anything you posted.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Berserker
(3,419 posts)And not a single reply other that attacks, Juries, and bullshit. Not a single person responded with a comment other than that. Last night my granddaughter stayed over, she is 9 years old.
She said a boy at school was calling people gay and wanted to know what it meant. So I explained it to her and told her that it was not right what he was saying.
People are born that way just like you were born the way you are. And gay parents have children too they adopt them.
So to say I am homophobic and all the other hatred on this post really is bullshit. All I did was ask a question that no one seems to want to answer.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)After all, wondering about homosexual scout leaders is legitimate for parents.
Berserker
(3,419 posts)Is that what you got out of that? Answer my question and stop with the bullshit.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)What do you think of gay scout leaders? Do you think parents should worry? If so why?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)It was a statement.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I and many other GLBT members and allies read your post and saw it as a statement rather than a real question. So if I were you I would reread it again and ask what a gay man like hrmjustin takes from my post. By the way I feel it is not something parents should worry about that gay men will become scout leaders. I think parents should be more worried about the bigotry in the boy scouts of America. Most people here think that should be a common sense answer.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)No hatred. It's a discussion forum.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)You're a riot.
Berserker
(3,419 posts)Well what is your answer to my question?
Lex
(34,108 posts)that is the subject of the derision, and rightfully so. And you know it.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Oh the hatred!
Iggo
(47,558 posts)So wondering about heterosexual scout leaders is you think legitimate, too then.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Of course. In fact I'm certain there are some now when gays aren't allowed to be scout leaders.
I think a large part of the issue with the Catholic church and pedophilia was that priests had no outlet for sexual desire due to the celibacy and having a very male dominated power structure, most of the victims would be boys. That's not to say it's an excuse that if you can't get laid, go find a kid, but that it promoted a culture of secrecy around sex. The scouts don't make one be celibate, in fact aren't most scout leaders parents?
And the larger issue with the Catholic church isn't that some small percentage of priests abused kids, it's that the church actively participated in covering it up. If the church had been forthcoming and removed and reported problem priests, they wouldn't have had nearly the amount of trouble.
Oh and pedophilia and homosexuality aren't the same thing or even linked. It's inaccurate to say that the Catholic church example is one of homosexual child molestation. It's far more accurate to say that it was a systemic male to male child molestation. But again, the Catholic church being so male dominated was structurally predisposed to male adult to male child molestation. Many child molesters don't have a consistent gender preference for their victims. It's about opportunity. Some have a fixation on a particular set of physical characteristics, but that can be unrelated to whatever relationships they attempt with other adults.
There some decent research here if you want to read more about why your question isn't accurate: http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
I'm surprised your post was left standing. You asked a very loaded question that preconceived that homosexuality and child molestation/pedophilia are related and that parents had a right to be concerned that only homosexual scout leaders were a threat to molest their kids.
LooseWilly
(4,477 posts)Firstly, are you calling priests gay? I mean... they are known to wear some pretty fabulous hats and all... but I'm not sure that that is sufficient grounds to say that they're homosexuals.
Secondly, if priests aren't truly representative of homosexuals... then why in the name of Quetzalcoatl would you deem it anything other than ridiculous to use their behavior as a yardstick for judging the fitness of homosexuals for Anything?
Properly speaking, all your "reading over the years" should really indicate to you is that wondering about priests as scout leaders is {you} think legitimate for parents.
I know I get nervous at the idea of my son spending too much time in the company of priests... ever since that one time when one of them lopped of a piece of his dick.
What about you? Do you warn your children about the dangers of being around priests?
fishwax
(29,149 posts)In the same way, male-female pedophilia is not evidence of heterosexuality.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)
RL
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Why do we keep throwing the female victims of priest abuse out into the cold?
yardwork
(61,667 posts)
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)who have not yet reached puberty would make someone a pedophile. Not a homosexual.
"Celibate" priests or married men/women who do so are not classified as gay. They are pedophiles, regardless of their sexual identity. It's completely different.
And what you are implying with your question here and your follow up answer is bigoted and homophobic. You've argued down thread that you were simply asking a question. But it's more of an implication. Sometimes we say things and don't realize how horrible they sound. I've been guilty of that in the past. But this sounds pretty horrible. Hence the responses you've received.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
Ephebophilia is the primary or exclusive adult sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.[1][2] The term was originally used in the late 19th to mid 20th century.[2] It is one of a number of sexual preferences across age groups subsumed under the technical term "chronophilia". Ephebophilia strictly denotes the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction. In sexual ethics, it may be defined as a sexual preference for girls generally 14–16 years old, and boys generally 14–19 years old.[3] Some authors define ephebophilia as a sexual preference for pubescent and adolescent boys.[4]
In research environments, specific terms are used for chronophilias: for instance, ephebophilia to refer to the sexual preference for mid-to-late adolescents,[1] hebephilia to refer to the sexual preference for earlier pubescent individuals, and pedophilia to refer to the sexual preference for prepubescent children.[5] However, the term pedophilia is commonly used to refer to any sexual interest in minors below the legal age of consent, regardless of their level of physical, mental, or psychological development.[6]
not homosexual, nor pedophile
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Only about a quarter were older than 15 ...
The John Jay report found that 81% of the victims were male. 22% of victims were younger than age 10, 51% were between the ages of 11 and 14, and 27% were between the ages 15 and 17 years.[44][60]
gollygee
(22,336 posts)for a place where I used to work. I talked to a number of prosecutors and psychologists.
The attraction adults have for children exists independently of any attractions they have for adults. Many men who molest boys are attracted to women in their adult relationships. Some men who are attracted to children don't have and aren't interested in adult relationships. The issue of pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality or heterosexuality. They are just completely unrelated issues.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Hm.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Amongst the posts about Benghazi, guns, Obamacare, etc., there was a discussion about pushing for a "Gay ID card, to protect our kids."
I shit you not.
