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LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:44 PM Feb 2013

I drank fracking fluid, says Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper went to unusually great lengths to learn firsthand the strides the oil and gas industry has made to minimize environmental harm from fracking.

The first-term Democrat and former Denver mayor told a Senate committee on Tuesday that he actually drank a glass of fracking fluid produced by oilfield services giant Halliburton.

The fluid is made entirely “of ingredients sourced from the food industry,” the company says, making it safe for Mr. Hickenlooper and others to imbibe.

“You can drink it. We did drink it around the table, almost rituallike, in a funny way,” he told the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. “It was a demonstration. … they’ve invested millions of dollars in what is a benign fluid in every sense

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/feb/12/colorado-gov-hickenlooper-i-drank-fracking-fluid/#.URqUq39uhQo.twitter


Ritual-like, sorta like communion? I am reminded that DDT was "so safe you could eat it."

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I drank fracking fluid, says Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (Original Post) LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 OP
Now try drinking it after its been used. dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #1
That's one of the issues. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #20
I hope he pukes for a month. gateley Feb 2013 #2
Same story, different lie... Bennyboy Feb 2013 #3
Is this him? Glassunion Feb 2013 #4
That must be somebody who shared his cup. LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #9
LOL! nt octoberlib Feb 2013 #17
Nah... that's just normal Colon Blow! MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #35
But see? He's SMILING! Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #37
That explains the beer I used by get at the Wynkoop. denverbill Feb 2013 #5
My Thoughts, Exactly.... (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #32
According to legend, a guy who developed and sold aviation hydraulic fluid (skydrol) Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #6
skydrol will burn your skin off. ret5hd Feb 2013 #26
Would that be called a bait and switch...the damage from fracking is not joeybee12 Feb 2013 #7
Fracking fluid can be almost any fluid. joshcryer Feb 2013 #8
Oh, joshcryer, stop being such an alarmist. LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #11
That's perfect logic, btw. joshcryer Feb 2013 #12
The guy who invented leaded gasoline washed his hands in TEL at a press conference panzerfaust Feb 2013 #10
I read that in Bill Bryson's "A Short History Of Nearly Everything". TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #16
Now I want to read it. LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #21
It's one of my favorite books of the last decade--he covers Midgley in a really interesting way. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #22
Great book! :) joshcryer Feb 2013 #23
If it was the acid frack we used to put down Downwinder Feb 2013 #13
I bet he wouldn't let his kids (or grandkids) drink it. forestpath Feb 2013 #14
Oh, Hick...why? Come on, man! TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #15
Every location has a different fracking liquid "formula" indie9197 Feb 2013 #18
The jokes, as they say, write themselves n/t Fumesucker Feb 2013 #19
I wonder if he'd be interested in a bottle from this well. LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #24
On purpose?.... Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #25
I breath in carbon dioxide all the time so what is the big deal about climate change Johonny Feb 2013 #27
He did NOT drink Fracking fluid maryland native Feb 2013 #28
I believe it was MiddleFingerMom that shared this quote: kentauros Feb 2013 #29
HAZARDOUS placard for fracking fluid photo Omaha Steve Feb 2013 #30
Hmmm. Interesting argument here. Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #31
Light up a spigot and then stick your mouth on it idiot. Lint Head Feb 2013 #33
A) Gross B) Not The Point n/t Cal Carpenter Feb 2013 #34
Who is our lite gov again? politicat Feb 2013 #36
Joe Garcia Hard Assets Feb 2013 #41
The comic routines of politicians save them from being completely useless. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #38
Well. I guess that explains the brain damage then. smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #39
That's why I'm ready to primary his ass out. Hard Assets Feb 2013 #40

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
20. That's one of the issues.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:01 PM
Feb 2013

It's one thing if you're talking about a fracking fluid that's freshly made and clean - depending on the fluid, you very well might be able to drink it.

But what's in that fluid after it's been pumped out of the ground? Heavy metals? Carcinogens? Other toxins? That's why people don't like fracking.

Also, which fracking fluid? There's endless formulations - some of which are edible, some of which aren't.

Then, there's the issues with natural gas or oil seeping into the water table (which leads to poisoned water supplies, sinks you can light on fire.)

Then there's the pollution from all the drilling and pumping equipment - diesel engines running 24/7, spills... Case in point: http://www.9news.com/news/article/316565/222/Workers-stop-fracking-fluid-leak-after-30-hours

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
3. Same story, different lie...
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:47 PM
Feb 2013

I remember Jerry Brown doing the same thing with malathion when spraying... Brown did it in public however....

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
35. Nah... that's just normal Colon Blow!
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 04:09 PM
Feb 2013
Wait a while.... He should continue drinking it... But, if anything really happens, his doctor WON'T be able to publicly call our attention to it...

No-No-No-No!

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
6. According to legend, a guy who developed and sold aviation hydraulic fluid (skydrol)
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:54 PM
Feb 2013

Would actually drink a glass of it while pitching it to airline boardrooms to prove its non-toxicity...

(previous generations of hydraulic fluid were very dangerous and potentially fatal for aviation maintenence crews)

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
7. Would that be called a bait and switch...the damage from fracking is not
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:58 PM
Feb 2013

whether the water is toxic, but that it is being used in this method and then stored underground.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
8. Fracking fluid can be almost any fluid.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:03 PM
Feb 2013

They put waste into the ground.

If they really were putting ingestible shit into the ground they would, you know, allow for disclosure. But because they're using toxic waste (as a side business, gotta put it somewhere), they do not want to allow disclosure.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
11. Oh, joshcryer, stop being such an alarmist.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:12 PM
Feb 2013

They wouldn't frack if it were actually toxic.
/sarcasm


“If we were overzealous in forcing them to disclose what they had created, they wouldn’t bring it into our state,” he said.


Environmentalists will find very few political allies in this, I'm afraid.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
12. That's perfect logic, btw.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:02 PM
Feb 2013

"It's purely ingestible stuff. Not poisonous at all. But we won't make them disclose and have periodic random testing, because, yaknow, they wouldn't bring it into our state if it was poisonous."

Just brilliant logic, really, I'm astounded.

 

panzerfaust

(2,818 posts)
10. The guy who invented leaded gasoline washed his hands in TEL at a press conference
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:12 PM
Feb 2013

and deliberately inhaled its vapor for sixty seconds in order to show how safe it was. He said he could do this every day for a year without ill effects.

Shortly thereafter, he then vanished for a year whilst he was treated for lead-poisoning (the second time he had been so treated).

Interestingly, he - Thomas Midgley - also invented the first chlorofluorocarbon, Freon.

This single person may well be responsible for more deaths and environmental destruction than all the wars of the twentieth century: death and destruction which continues to this day.

Look him up.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
16. I read that in Bill Bryson's "A Short History Of Nearly Everything".
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:14 PM
Feb 2013

That's exactly what this reminded me of.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
13. If it was the acid frack we used to put down
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:04 PM
Feb 2013

he will never have to worry about colon problems. He won't have one.

indie9197

(509 posts)
18. Every location has a different fracking liquid "formula"
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:50 PM
Feb 2013

but many of them contain a biocide to kill or prevent bacteria growth. Here is the MSDS of one of the two common biocides:

http://www.closedsystemlabs.com/Pdf%27s/MSDS%20-%20Quaternary%20Ammonium%20Chloride.pdf

Usually used in concentrations of one or two gallons per 1000 gallons fracking fluid

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
24. I wonder if he'd be interested in a bottle from this well.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:47 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.9news.com/news/article/316565/222/Workers-stop-fracking-fluid-leak-after-30-hours

WINDSOR - Oil-laden fracking fluid gushed from an oil well near Fort Collins for nearly 30 hours before it was stopped Tuesday afternoon.

A hydraulic failure around 9:30 a.m. Monday caused a piece of equipment to fall onto a valve and break it at the drilling site 4 miles east of Fort Collins. A horizontal stream of green-tinted fluid flowed from the valve for nearly a day and half before crews gained control of it.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
25. On purpose?....
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:50 PM
Feb 2013

Reminds me of one of my favorite lines from Clerks

"My girlfriend sucked 37 @#cks!...." " In a row?..."

Johonny

(20,880 posts)
27. I breath in carbon dioxide all the time so what is the big deal about climate change
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:55 PM
Feb 2013

says the person purposely misleading the conversation...

Omaha Steve

(99,703 posts)
30. HAZARDOUS placard for fracking fluid photo
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:26 PM
Feb 2013


http://www.marcellus-shale.us/fracking.htm

Who wants to drink this?


Hydrochloric Acid
Hazmat placard 1789


What some of the "one-half of one percent"
actually looks like


SOME OF THE CHEMICALS USED
Source of chemical list: FracFocus
Chemical descriptions: Multiple sources
TRADE NAME PURPOSE INGREDIENTS CHEMICAL ABSTRACT NUMBER (CAS #)
Acid, Hydrochloric 15% Acid Hydrochloric Acid 7647-01-0


Concentrated hydrochloric acid (fuming hydrochloric acid) forms acidic mists. Both the mist and the solution have a corrosive effect on human tissue, with the potential to damage respiratory organs, eyes, skin, and intestines.
WIC-641L Iron Control Agent Citric Acid 77-92-9
WAI-251LC Corrosion Inhibitor Ethylene Glycol 107-21-1


Ethylene glycol has been shown to be toxic to humans and is also toxic to domestic pets such as cats and dogs. Ethylene glycol is a toxic, colorless, odorless, almost nonvolatile liquid with a sweet taste and is occasionally consumed by children and dogs for its sweetness. Following ingestion the symptoms of poisoning follow a 3 step progression starting with intoxication and vomiting, before causing metabolic acidosis, cardiovascular dysfunction, and finally acute kidney failure.
Dimethyl Formamide 68-12-2


Dimethylformamide (DMF) has been linked to cancer in humans, and it is thought to cause birth defects. In some sectors of industry women are banned from working with DMF.
*Proprietary* *N/A*
Decanol 112-30-1


Decanol causes a high irritability to skin and eyes, when splashed into the eyes it can cause permanent damage. Inhalation and ingestion can be harmful; it is harmful in the environment.
Isopropanol (Isopropyl Alcohol, Propan-2-ol) 67-63-0
Octanol 111-87-5
2-Butoxyethanol (Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether) 111-76-2


Moderate respiratory exposure to 2-butoxyethanol often results in irritation of mucous membranes of the eyes, nose and throat. Heavy exposure via respiratory, dermal or oral routes can lead to hypotension, metabolic acidosis, hemolysis, pulmonary edema and coma. Acute exposure to high levels of the glycol ethers in humans results in narcosis, pulmonary edema, and severe liver and kidney damage. Chronic exposure to the glycol ethers in humans results in fatigue, lethargy, nausea, anorexia, tremor, and anemia. 2-Butoxyethanol has come under scrutiny in Canada.
EC6110A Anti-Bacterial Agent Glutaraldehyde 111-30-8


The following health effects have been reported in hospital workers exposed to glutaraldehyde: Throat and lung irritation; Asthma, asthma-like symptoms, and breathing difficulty; Nose irritation, sneezing, and wheezing; Nosebleed; Burning eyes and conjunctivitis; Rash-contact and/or allergic dermatitis; Staining of the hands (brownish or tan); Hives; Headaches and Nausea.
Quaternary Ammonium Compounds N/A


Quaternary ammonium compounds can display a range of health effects, amongst which are mild skin and respiratory irritation up to severe caustic burns on skin and gastro-intestinal lining (depending on concentration), gastro-intestinal symptoms (e.g., nausea and vomiting), coma, convulsions, hypotension and death.
Ethanol 64-17-5
EC6629 Scale Inhibitor *No hazardous components* *None*
WFR-61LA Friction Reducer Petroleum Distillate Hydrotreated Light 64742-47-8


Distillates (Petroleum), Hydrotreated Light can cause dizziness, headache, drowsiness, nausea, unconsciousness from inhalation; and cough, diarrhea, sore throat, and vomiting from ingestion. Swallowing the liquid may cause aspiration into the lungs with the risk of chemical pneumonitis. NIOSH states that it is harmful to aquatic organisms. The substance may cause effects on the central nervous system.
Sodium Chloride 7647-14-5
Alcohols ethoxylated
C12-16 68551-12-2
Quarternary Ammonium Chloride 12125-02-9


Quaternary ammonium compounds can display a range of health effects, amongst which are mild skin and respiratory irritation up to severe caustic burns on skin and gastro-intestinal lining (depending on concentration), gastro-intestinal symptoms (e.g., nausea and vomiting), coma, convulsions, hypotension and death.
WGA-15L Gelling Agent Petroleum Distillate Hydrotreated Light 64742-47-8


Distillates (Petroleum), Hydrotreated Light can cause dizziness, headache, drowsiness, nausea, unconsciousness from inhalation; and cough, diarrhea, sore throat, and vomiting from ingestion. Swallowing the liquid may cause aspiration into the lungs with the risk of chemical pneumonitis. NIOSH states that it is harmful to aquatic organisms. The substance may cause effects on the central nervous system.
*Proprietary* Polymer *N/A*
WBK-134 Breaker Ammonium Persulfate 7727-54-0


Ammonium Persulfate airborne dust may be irritating to eyes, nose, lungs, throat and skin upon contact. Exposure to high levels of dust may cause difficulty in breathing in sensitive persons. This product has moderate oral toxicity and sensitive persons may develop dermatitis and asthma.

Chemicals in Natural Gas Operations


Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
31. Hmmm. Interesting argument here.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:30 PM
Feb 2013

So, if I aim a fire hose at his house and blow his windows out, can I argue that "it was just water!" as my defense?

politicat

(9,808 posts)
36. Who is our lite gov again?
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 04:16 PM
Feb 2013

Because dude, Hick, are you trying to give him a title bump?

Other things "sourced from the food industry" that can kill:

Lye (used in pretzels, tripe, meat processing)
Lime (used in corn processing)
Ricin (byproduct of castor oil production, deadliest poison known)
Cyanide (hello, almonds)

 

Hard Assets

(274 posts)
41. Joe Garcia
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:01 PM
Feb 2013

He's currently being considered for Secretary of Labor by Obama. I'm not sure what's going on there...

 

Hard Assets

(274 posts)
40. That's why I'm ready to primary his ass out.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:58 PM
Feb 2013

Hickenlooper does not belong on the Governor's seat.

We can find someone better. Only because he owned a beer distillery (Wynkoop Brewery) made him a popular guy around the state.

If he finds the fracking fluid safe to drink, the I challenge him to put it on his distillery and see what happens.

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