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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 07:18 AM Feb 2013

Work is Becoming More Like Prison As Some Workers Forced to Wear Electronic Bands

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/work-becoming-more-prison-some-workers-forced-wear-electronic-bands-track-everything

Work is Becoming More Like Prison As Some Workers Forced to Wear Electronic Bands That Track Everything They Do (Including Bathroom Breaks)



The human body, with its need for rest, nutrition and hydration, is such an inefficient tool for capitalist production. But while machines are unlikely to replace human workers anytime soon, new technologies can deftly strip workers of their humanity!

The Irish Independent reports that grocery giant TESCO has strapped electronic armbands to their warehouse workers to measure their productivity, tracking their actions so closely that management knows when they briefly pause to drink from a water fountain or take a bathroom break. These unforgivable lapses in productivity impact workers' performance score, which management then apparently uses to terrify them into working faster.

"The devices give a set amount of time for a task, such as 20 minutes to load packets of soft drinks. If they did it in 20 minutes, they would get 100pc, but would get 200pc if they were twice as fast," writes the Independent. Although TESCO denied that bathroom breaks impact productivity scores, one former staffer the Independent spoke with said he got a "surprisingly lower" score when he took a bathroom break.

"Sometimes, management would call staff to an office and tell them they had to do better if their scores were low."
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Work is Becoming More Like Prison As Some Workers Forced to Wear Electronic Bands (Original Post) xchrom Feb 2013 OP
OK, so when will USDAW get involved? mwooldri Feb 2013 #1
TESCO is a UK company. The story is from the UK. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #12
And I'm asking when USDAW, a UK union, will get involved. mwooldri Feb 2013 #35
I lived an easy distance from a TESCO years ago; so I did a lot of shopping there. MADem Feb 2013 #78
sounds more like conditions at the Farben production units at auschwitz. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #41
W...T...F? marmar Feb 2013 #2
"Break these chains!" leveymg Feb 2013 #3
That's funny, prison has become more like work too. bemildred Feb 2013 #4
That explains recent developments in education then, preparing students for a work environment n/t Fumesucker Feb 2013 #5
TESCO is a UK company. The story is from the UK. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #14
THere was a book that was published a few years ago 2naSalit Feb 2013 #20
"You run one time, you got yourself a set of chains. You run twice you got yourself two sets... pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #6
Great movie, or the GREATEST movie? Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #66
It's not up there with 'Casablanca' or 'Lawrence of Arabia' pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #67
"shakin' the tree, boss. shakin the tree." Yavin4 Feb 2013 #75
The movie quotes are terribly apropos. nt pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #83
Who needs dignity and human rights at work? LisaLynne Feb 2013 #7
Compared to hourly people exactly how productive are management people? LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #8
We sit around reading DU Lochloosa Feb 2013 #10
Hey, so do some of us hourly people derby378 Feb 2013 #16
That's an interesting question. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #26
Well... Who the hell else is going to pour over the TPS reports for hours? Glassunion Feb 2013 #43
Kick! Heidi Feb 2013 #9
Disgusting. Brickbat Feb 2013 #11
Absolutely...K&R KoKo Feb 2013 #55
Link to The Onion. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #13
Drug testing, bugging people's personal cars w/ gps for company time/personal time, loudsue Feb 2013 #15
Well, US Call Centers and other 'widget producers' have similar ... Myrina Feb 2013 #17
Any major corporation call center employees work this way. mwooldri Feb 2013 #38
exactly. Myrina Feb 2013 #39
Every keystroke is monitored and tracked magical thyme Feb 2013 #61
F___ing incredible. People aren't machines, and don't operate like machines! nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #18
Funny davidthegnome Feb 2013 #19
They'll have toilets that weigh your turd and determine how long it took to produce it! MADem Feb 2013 #81
Ahem... davidthegnome Feb 2013 #82
Sorry!!!!!! MADem Feb 2013 #84
The UK is actually "ahead" of us in becoming a surveillance state. KamaAina Feb 2013 #21
Walmart is one step closer to that with their "task management" program... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #22
That's one of the reasons why I quit Walmart. Apophis Feb 2013 #29
Beyond "efficient" and into "sick" ... Auggie Feb 2013 #36
I think Walmart used to lock their employees in the store on overnights? Glassunion Feb 2013 #46
They did midwest irish Feb 2013 #48
And several others. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #63
When will the war on workers stop? Initech Feb 2013 #23
Sssssh! Don't give them ideas! lunatica Feb 2013 #33
Oh right! They might act on it! Initech Feb 2013 #54
"Horsemeat scandal keeps running, as Tesco sells withdrawn burgers" KoKo Feb 2013 #24
that's expanded way past tesco, throughout europe, & has been connected to criminal gangs HiPointDem Feb 2013 #45
Do they have "Correction Collars"? Dirty Socialist Feb 2013 #25
That's horrible and inexcusable. Apophis Feb 2013 #27
There is no employer on this planet who could make me wear an electronic band malaise Feb 2013 #28
Same here. Apophis Feb 2013 #32
+1000000000 Initech Feb 2013 #53
Yep, it's getting dystopian out there. nt woo me with science Feb 2013 #30
None dare call it slave labor quinnox Feb 2013 #31
Of course it's not slave labor to them durablend Feb 2013 #64
yeah, the corporate idea of employee freedom is like a slave being able to choose his master. unblock Feb 2013 #80
UC Berkeley calls it's employees "Human Capital" now lunatica Feb 2013 #34
Now that's what I call a capital offense Orrex Feb 2013 #37
How long before this starts over here? Brigid Feb 2013 #40
Nothing new, just a new gadget Mopar151 Feb 2013 #42
How soon before they go with implants? Glassunion Feb 2013 #44
There is a big company in Ohio that does this. midwest irish Feb 2013 #47
If you aren't willing even to speak their name out loud, we all may as well stop trying right now Occulus Feb 2013 #56
Agreed. Apophis Feb 2013 #57
Ok midwest irish Feb 2013 #59
Reynolds and Reynolds sounds like a horrible company to work for. Apophis Feb 2013 #69
I recall a few instances where a company that was being discussed here on DU actually made a name Occulus Feb 2013 #72
I'm curious if that kind of damage control has ever, ever actually worked Posteritatis Feb 2013 #85
That's just.... sick. And wrong. midwest irish Feb 2013 #58
Oh, it's legal all right. Occulus Feb 2013 #70
Thanks! midwest irish Feb 2013 #73
I always wonder how many thousands of dollars those policies cost those companies Posteritatis Feb 2013 #62
Knowing about electronics and computers, I'd love to have one of those collars. BlueJazz Feb 2013 #49
I'm reminded of a video I feature on YouTube sometimes Oilwellian Feb 2013 #50
Holy crap, what a depressing read n/t War Horse Feb 2013 #51
Some people never know when to stop treestar Feb 2013 #52
Reminds me of Disney: NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #60
This will spread to the US if it hasn't already Renew Deal Feb 2013 #65
I worked for a rather large grocery store warehouse for a while bubbayugga Feb 2013 #71
That was depressing and disturbing. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #68
The West must have got it from the Japanese... Octafish Feb 2013 #74
Contract attorneys get treated this way in NYC. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #76
How much more degredation and humiliation will people take before they join unions? Yavin4 Feb 2013 #77
My son lives in UK riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #79
Kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #86

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
1. OK, so when will USDAW get involved?
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:12 AM
Feb 2013

IMO if the staff are now having tracking armbands, those staff had better join the union ASAP. Sounds somewhat like conditions at the Ford River Rouge factory in the 1930s before the UAW was recognised.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
35. And I'm asking when USDAW, a UK union, will get involved.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:59 PM
Feb 2013

But given USDAW and Tesco have a somewhat cosy relationship I don't think much will happen anyways.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
78. I lived an easy distance from a TESCO years ago; so I did a lot of shopping there.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:35 PM
Feb 2013

I thought the prices were out of line and the manager was a shitty little martinet, but I didn't have a lot of spare time so I dealt with it. Every time I went in there, he was always haranguing some poor employee about this or that bullshit "infraction" or method--it was often enough so that I noticed, and this article brought the memories immediately to the fore--I can even see the guy's mean, pissy face before me as I type this!

I guess this tracking band thing is the 21st century version of a Martinet Manager!

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. "Break these chains!"
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:32 AM
Feb 2013
Convicted
Of sins I did commit
Guilty as charged
Yeah, I must admit
Take my loss
Turn it into gain
Set the captives free
And break these chains
Break these chains
To the wages of sin

2naSalit

(86,637 posts)
20. THere was a book that was published a few years ago
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:19 PM
Feb 2013

which explained that our education system is like a prison system and that its primary function is to indoctrinate us into the system of worker drones. I was of that opinion when I was in grades school as I lived in the factory towns of New England and felt that we were being prepared to work in the factory of our own choosing... and that was the extent of our freedom, to choose which factory we would spend our lives toiling in.

I'll have to look around to see if I can find a reference for that book. the author had a rather brief promotional tour since it wasn't highly favored by the MSM given the topic and the honesty presented.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
6. "You run one time, you got yourself a set of chains. You run twice you got yourself two sets...
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:38 AM
Feb 2013

You ain't gonna need no third set, 'cause you gonna get your mind right."

--Captain, Road Prison 36, 'Cool Hand Luke'

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
67. It's not up there with 'Casablanca' or 'Lawrence of Arabia'
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:42 AM
Feb 2013

But it's definitely an exceptional movie--and Newman was superb!

I got to meet him when I was volunteering for Kerry in Ohio in '04, and I almost was placed on a speakers' panel with him. Unfortunately, our missing speaker turned up and I didn't have to fill in.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
7. Who needs dignity and human rights at work?
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:53 AM
Feb 2013

They're PAYING you, so if you are actually working, what's the problem? And who needs unions? Our corporate masters will take care of us and treat us fairly. Unions require you to pay dues and they do not do things 100% correctly all the time!

/

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
26. That's an interesting question.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:40 PM
Feb 2013

Most mid-level management I ever dealt with on the shop floor spent most of their time fucking up my employee's schedules and causing productivity to plummet.

The rest of the time was spent in trying to justify their jobs to the boss.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
15. Drug testing, bugging people's personal cars w/ gps for company time/personal time,
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:20 AM
Feb 2013

now they're making them wear these movement trackers?

Who in the hell needs slavery when you have government acceptance of these privacy-violating mechanisms at work?

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
17. Well, US Call Centers and other 'widget producers' have similar ...
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:54 AM
Feb 2013

... although not literally 'attached' to employees, workflow software monitors how long it takes a piece of work to get from point A to point B, who touches it, what they do, how long it takes them, and can QA score it.

We are, for the most part, nothing more than cogs in the machine anymore.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
38. Any major corporation call center employees work this way.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:20 PM
Feb 2013

I work in a "call center" (though it's at home). I am monitored quite closely, especially given banking regulations.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
39. exactly.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:24 PM
Feb 2013

I used to work for both a for-profit college and an insurance company & sat near the Call Center folks.
They were monitored more closely than any group of people I've ever seen.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
61. Every keystroke is monitored and tracked
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:37 AM
Feb 2013

Every phone call is recorded; calls randomly monitored for "quality assurance." That consists of managers and lead reps listening to our calls and criticizing every. fucking. word. Because they would have done so much better (not). IOW, if you say "you should receive confirmation in xyz days" you are scored down for "tentative language." If you say the wrong number of days, you "fail" the call because you said 7-10 days instead of, say, 5-7 days, by mistake. If you ask to hold for 2 minutes while you research something, and you take 2 minutes and 1 second, you are scored down (because everybody knows the customer is timing your call and will be furious if they agreed to hold for 2 minutes, not 2 minutes and 1 second). 1 second over a certain hold time, and you "fail" the call, period.

We do get to take bathroom breaks; phones are coded for "break aways" versus "scheduled break" times versus "system issues." Also coded for "after call" time to measure how long we take to do work associated with a given call. And all that time taken away from phone availability is held against you at performance review time.

My former manager used to monitor our "after call" time religiously; anything over 60 seconds or so, and she'd be on our cases. The more we did work during the call, the freer we were to take calls immediately after. Of course, trying to key in stuff while simultaneously listening/talking to the customer meant more mistakes. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

All this for a princely $13/hour or so

And they still haven't figured out why they have 40+% turnover!

And they're in panic mode because their quality scores are dropping. They still haven't figured out that anybody who hasn't been able to use the job as a stepping stone to something better -- mostly people like me in our 50s-60s who fell through the employment "trap door" and are just holding out to retire -- honestly doesn't give a flying fuck. And the rest of us know with that turnover rate, we won't get fired unless we really, truly fuck up.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
19. Funny
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:30 PM
Feb 2013

I was just thinking something sort of similar. I was wondering about nano-technology, drones, droids and so on. I was wondering how long it would be before our technology was advanced enough to have mechanical workers replace human ones. A world where humans could live as they chose? Without being required to work? Well, it's something of a novel idea, which I actually found in a fictional novel based on a futuristic society (And There Will Be Dragons).

The idea of management watching my every move... it's creepy. Like, what if you really had to go and it took longer? Would they send someone to check on you? Activate bathroom cameras? Maybe they'll create an armband that will send an electric charge through your body if you take too long. Brave New World...

Perhaps when it comes to corporations, there's no more need to make things up. The reality is disturbing enough as it is.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
81. They'll have toilets that weigh your turd and determine how long it took to produce it!
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:43 PM
Feb 2013

And microphones, that detect the rustle of a newspaper whilst you're ensconced on the throne!!

Too much rustling after the last plop, and they'll assume you stayed on the can to read the sports page or Dear Abby! Punish The Slackers!!!

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
82. Ahem...
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:51 PM
Feb 2013

Remind me not to read your posts when I'm drinking coffee. Fortunately, I missed the keyboard.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
21. The UK is actually "ahead" of us in becoming a surveillance state.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:21 PM
Feb 2013

There are cameras all over London.

 

EastKYLiberal

(429 posts)
22. Walmart is one step closer to that with their "task management" program...
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:24 PM
Feb 2013

We had to scan our badges and keep management remotely updated on what we were working on and how long each task would take.

Eventually they'll just bring in telescreens and all stores will be managed from Bentonville.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
29. That's one of the reasons why I quit Walmart.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:48 PM
Feb 2013

That task management program was a joke. It'd say we had two hours to unload a truck and if we didn't have it unloaded in that time, we'd get in trouble. Never mind that things fall, spill, or we had to move pallets.

I hate Walmart. I don't shop there anymore.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
46. I think Walmart used to lock their employees in the store on overnights?
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:43 PM
Feb 2013

I could be mistaking them with another company.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
23. When will the war on workers stop?
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:25 PM
Feb 2013

Bathroom breaks cause lower productivity scores? What? Do they want us to wear diapers to work?

Initech

(100,079 posts)
54. Oh right! They might act on it!
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:03 PM
Feb 2013

Plus all the bathrooms would be converted to changing rooms- which would probably be the least sanitary places on earth...

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. "Horsemeat scandal keeps running, as Tesco sells withdrawn burgers"
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:39 PM
Feb 2013
I was watching BBC this weekend and didn't know who Tesco was but they were reporting on their selling of the Horsemeat Burgers and prepared foods.... So, this might be of interest to go along with your post

---------------

Horsemeat scandal keeps running, as Tesco sells withdrawn burgers

By Michael Northcott Friday, 25 January 2013
Most media outlets must be getting a little hoarse from shouting about contaminated burgers, but a Tesco store in Oxford is in the muck after a cashier sold some of the withdrawn patties a week after the scandal broke.

The UK’s largest supermarket chain has had to apologise and launch an investigation after its store in Cowley, Oxford, managed to sell a contaminated horsemeat burger days after they had been withdrawn from shelves.

Scandal erupted after a BBC reporter succeeded in buying a pack of Tesco own-brand frozen quarter pounders, thanks to a cashier who overrode an alert message on the till.

Tesco trotted out a statement quick sharp: ‘While this product was not implicated in the FSAI investigation, and was withdrawn as a precaution, we are urgently investigating how this product came to be on a shelf in store.

‘The block on purchase at the checkout should not have been overridden. We sincerely apologise for this, and we have spoken to the store to ensure this does not happen again.’

If you haven’t heard a bit about the horsemeat story then you must have been on another planet. But just in case, last week Tesco came under fire after a food safety test found traces of horse DNA in some of its beef burgers. A couple of other supermarkets got dragged down in the scandal too because of shared suppliers, and a torrent of horse-related puns swamped Twitter for a few days.

http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1168399/horsemeat-scandal-keeps-running-tesco-sells-withdrawn-burgers/
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
45. that's expanded way past tesco, throughout europe, & has been connected to criminal gangs
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:42 PM
Feb 2013

& arms traders.

ain't neoliberalism wonderful?

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
27. That's horrible and inexcusable.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:42 PM
Feb 2013

There's no need to monitor employees and their work habits in such an invasive way.

Walmart does something similar, but they don't put armbands on their employees (yet). They task your employee badge number into a task management program and you're expected to get a particular task finished in an X amount of time. If you don't, you get in trouble

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
31. None dare call it slave labor
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:51 PM
Feb 2013

"Welcome to the work force, here is your monitoring wrist band. Please wear it at all times, and we will give you permission when you can go to the bathroom or leave the facility."

durablend

(7,460 posts)
64. Of course it's not slave labor to them
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:04 AM
Feb 2013

They'll reply "You can quit your job whenever you want...there's the door BYE"

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
34. UC Berkeley calls it's employees "Human Capital" now
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:57 PM
Feb 2013

No more Human Resources Management. It's now Human Capital Management.

It used to be that when someone's job ended it was called a Separation. Now it's called a Termination.

Mopar151

(9,983 posts)
42. Nothing new, just a new gadget
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:35 PM
Feb 2013

I'm a shoprat, at the "skilled trade" (Prototype machinist) level. I've been drug tested, phone restricted, surveilled by camera, and compared to time and labor standard since dirt was new - never mind the part about being ridden like a rented pony. And when you live in the guts of the industrial revolution, the miseries of piece-work and the Taylor model are never far away.

Thing of it is, productivity gains from beating the slaves fade fast, and often go negative long-term. Further, the costs of "whooping the nitwits" are considerable, even in the short term. This is well known among professional managers, but lesser skeezballs can't resist the temptation, even as it tanks their (often family) companies.

 

midwest irish

(155 posts)
47. There is a big company in Ohio that does this.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:50 PM
Feb 2013

I wont type the name because they are notorious for monitoring their online presence and going after people who post negative things (seriously, they have a department devoted to this). They are consistently rated one of the worst companies to work for. One of their policies is that you can only have two pictures on your desk at any time. You know those frames that hold more than one picture (sort of like a mini collage)? Well, that violates their rule because it is more than two pictures. They also test periodically for nicotine. If you have any in your system you are terminated.

Best of all: The work ID has a sensor in it that tells where you are and what you do at all times. If you take too many bathroom breaks it will show up on your eval and you will get in trouble for it. If you stop by the water cooler too much, same thing.

Needless to say, they have a high turnover rate. Their entire business model is based on the idea that it's the employees who are the problem. They mostly hire college students who work during the summers or for a week months after graduation.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
56. If you aren't willing even to speak their name out loud, we all may as well stop trying right now
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:19 AM
Feb 2013

because they have won, won completely, and won forever.

We should never tolerate that level of fear, that we, non-employees, who are not customers, dare not speak their name due to possible reprisals. That's just.... sick. And wrong.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
57. Agreed.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:20 AM
Feb 2013

And if that company really does what the poster claimed, I don't see how he/she should get in trouble for pointing that out.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
72. I recall a few instances where a company that was being discussed here on DU actually made a name
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:09 PM
Feb 2013

on here to confront us directly regarding our claims about them.

I don't recall it ever going well for any of them.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
85. I'm curious if that kind of damage control has ever, ever actually worked
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:16 PM
Feb 2013

I mean, there's gotta be at least one, somewhere, but I can't see it.

The last job I had - which sucked, but it was a conventional kind of suck as opposed to the Sith Lord suck that describes a few of the companies in this thread - kept dropping any kind of potential duties involving computers or the intarwebz on me because I was the closest person to a computer-literate person the company had. At one point the owner was made aware of companies out there whose job is social media damage control, got all excited about it, and told me to get in on that with regards to our company.

Having to explain at length exactly why that was a Terrible Idea In All Possible Ways certainly broke up the routine for the next few days...

 

midwest irish

(155 posts)
58. That's just.... sick. And wrong.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:49 AM
Feb 2013

And its completely legal for them to do it. Theyve been challenged before and its legal. Sorry im not going to put my ass on the line and risk getting sued. Even if I win, which I would, I will be financially destitute with the legal fees.

check out #3 on the list of worst places to work. Do some research yourself. Look up the employee reviews on a website like glassdoor or something.

http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/30/netflix-adobe-google-make-best-places-to-work-list-att-ebay-radioshack-among-the-worst/

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
70. Oh, it's legal all right.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:00 PM
Feb 2013

I didn't mean to sound like my comment was directed at you. Apologies.

It's the fact they DO that that's sick and wrong. And after all, doesn't that reputation for this sort of "online brand protection" do them the same sort of damage to their reputation?

I know I won't be doing business with them, even if they are in a business I may be a customer of, just because of that!

edit: I think you're probably safe in saying that Reynolds & Reynolds is a shit company. If they didn't sue Glassdoor or the blogger that repeated the results of their survey, I don't think they can come after you with any hope of success.

Personally, I hope I do get a nastygram from them. A countersuit over the repeating of results of a survey of their own employees taken four years ago would be an easy way for me to make a respectable pile of cash. Perhaps that's why they didn't go after Glassdoor (an assumption on my part, but I think a reasonable one, given that the article is still up)... they knew they'd lose, and lose badly.

 

midwest irish

(155 posts)
73. Thanks!
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:30 PM
Feb 2013

They do a lot of the auto-trader magazines and things like that. So if you are in the car business beware. Sorry, I am overly paranoid about things.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
62. I always wonder how many thousands of dollars those policies cost those companies
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:48 AM
Feb 2013

Never mind the ill will, the turnover rate (which means training time for new staff galore) and general douchery; just consider the time and money burned by conjuring that sort of policy in the first place.

A big company deciding on something like the two-picture rule would have to get a bunch of guys together, determine that a number of pictures is somehow a problem, then figure out how many pictures is acceptable, address things like the collage loophole, decide on enforcement mechanisms, then implement all of that by telling the staff (likely as not in a meeting) and enforcing the rules.

I mean, even before getting to the point of telling Jones here that he's got 2.25 pictures on his desk rather than the permitted 2.00, I have to wonder how many personweeks of time, most of it among the presumably quite expensive tiers of upper management, went into that?

And some companies wonder why their business isn't doing so well at times.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
49. Knowing about electronics and computers, I'd love to have one of those collars.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:53 PM
Feb 2013

I'd hack the %$^%# things so everybody would be doing the work of 6 people.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
52. Some people never know when to stop
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 05:15 PM
Feb 2013

If the company makes a profit, give it a rest, geez. Do they have to squeeze every penny out?

 

bubbayugga

(222 posts)
71. I worked for a rather large grocery store warehouse for a while
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:08 PM
Feb 2013

it was one of the worst jobs I ever had-just fucking miserable back breaking and thankless. I worked beside illegal aliens there as a matter of fact. They were some of the hardest working fuckers I ever saw. Nobody could keep up with them. Nobody wanted to. but they kind of set the standard. At the sane time, I was juggling an imminent Iraq/Afghanistan deployment and full time college. Those were some of the worst days of my life but I digress. They closely monitored our movements with electronics in that warehouse. It wasn't a collar but they knew how fast we were moving at any given moment and they compared it to everyone else constantly. They had a rapid turnover too. When I interviewed for that job, the dude in front of me chose to wear a T-shirt with a giant middle finger flipping off anyone who happened to be sitting across from him. That was probably the appropriate interview attire in retrospect.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
74. The West must have got it from the Japanese...
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:39 PM
Feb 2013

...look at life for a Canon employee:

Hurry, or the world perishes:

http://www.dannychoo.com/post/en/19639/Canon+Electronics.html

Which, considering what comes next, may just so be.

Canon Camera Factory to Go Fully Automated, Phase Out Human Workers

http://singularityhub.com/2012/06/06/canon-camera-factory-to-go-fully-automated-phase-out-human-workers/

Future of Capitalism: No workers. No problems.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
76. Contract attorneys get treated this way in NYC.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:30 PM
Feb 2013

One of the worst abusers is/was Paul Weiss, a law firm that's supposedly one of the 'good guys' in labor disputes.

Unless it's their bottom line at issue.

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
77. How much more degredation and humiliation will people take before they join unions?
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:33 PM
Feb 2013

What have you got to lose? A job that puts a leash on you? What more do employers have to do to labor before labor strikes back? What more?

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
79. My son lives in UK
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:36 PM
Feb 2013

I sent him this.

He said "that is to keep them from using horsemeat."

I know it sounds horribly sarcastic.


This is really terrible and I would never work in a place like that.

guess I am an old dog.

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