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Amsterdam steakhouse Piet de Leeuw has been selling horse fillets as beef for 63 years, owner Loek van Thiel admitted to the Parool on Friday.
On Thursday, Van Thiel had denied the charges, saying the cafe only sold South American beef. The Parool had various pieces of meat tested and concluded the cafe's popular steaks were horse.
Van Thiel came clean on Friday, saying the cafe has sold horse since 1949 when his father, a horse meat butcher, bought the premises.
Staff at the cafe have a contract which states they are not allowed to say anything about the use of horse. 'I've never considered saying 'horse steak' on the menus,' he said. 'People enjoyed their food, business was good, so why should I?'
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/02/amsterdam_steakhouse_boss_admi.php
htuttle
(23,738 posts)They don't have much body fat, so there wouldn't be a lot of marbling.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)I don't know how to feel about the story. The man was in business for 63 years and had a popular business. But he should have told people what they were buying and let them chose whether they wanted to buy it.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)but, the family ran a successful business for 63 years, so the product they sold must have been considered good by their customers.
To you point on honesty. It would have been better for all concerned for the owners to have advertised that they sold horse steaks and burgers. There would have been a market for that. The fact that they didn't indicates they felt their product was inferior, or they let greed consume them.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)jeanmarc
(1,685 posts)...at least for me. The meat tastes more gamey and it's tougher.
Maybe it was horsemeat all the time?
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)in those two countries, the food in other places is bad. I eat local standards in local places, unless it looks nasty.
Franker65
(299 posts)63 years? He should have been honest to his customers. I'm sure much of his clients will avoid the place from now on.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)but his family lied for 63 years. The lie is what will kill the business, not the horse meat.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)I think people should be honest about where they get their meat, but is there something I'm missing in all the press recently about horse meat?
This guy will get it because he purposely committed fraud.
But the problem with the rest is because could contain Bute, which humans aren't suppose to eat. On top of the fact that it really ticks people off if they think they're eating one thing and you feed them something else.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Phenylbutazone is a non-steroidal anti-inflamitory drug that was formerly used in humans.
The amount in horsemeat is far below the former theraputic dosage.
Phenylbutazone is mostly used in racehorses.
Tien1985
(920 posts)that our food is all sorts of contaminated, and honestly, "horse" wouldn't even register on my worry list. I highly doubt fruit and vegetables are any better. But so far as I can tell, this (the bute, and the fraud issue)is the reason people are throwing a fit.
Now if we lived in a perfect world, I'd say I'd rather no Bute, therapeutic dose or not, in my food without my knowledge.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Many are supposed to be withdrawn some days or weeks before slaughter. It's unclear how diligently the recommendations are followed.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)I look at some posts from vegans and vegetarians in response to the horse meat scare. All that I have seen stated that contamination of vegetable sources is not an issue. I disagree, as vegetables have become more popular as part of our diet, the level of contamination in vegetables has increased. If a vegetable become wildly popular, the impulse for farmers to take shortcuts to increase yield or size of vegetables will become more irresistible.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)stating atheist countries eat cats, dogs, horses, etc because they lack Judeo-Christian values that tell them what to eat and not to eat.
Bananas!
MADem
(135,425 posts)I never patronized the guy, but he had a sign with a smiling horse out front.
Can't imagine any horse that did business with that guy had anything to smile about...
marybourg
(12,631 posts)Where does bacon fall? shrimp? cow hind quarters? porkchops? Lobster? Are they Judeo-Christian?
What an a**
d_r
(6,907 posts)Hugin
(33,148 posts)I'll have to remember that... You have to wonder if at some point during those 63 years that Bovine Beef didn't become cheaper than Equine Beef.
treestar
(82,383 posts)You'd think in that time somebody would have had the discriminating palette or have eaten horsemeat before.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)and didn't give a crap about what was served to them. I can't say that I could determine the difference between beefsteak and horse steak since I seldom eat beef and don't have a capacity to discern a swap.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Horse meat must resemble beef, too, since in 63 years no one saw, let alone tasted, the difference.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)having and overwhelming desire for oats.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)formercia
(18,479 posts)Probably why the roundups have been so popular.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)killed the cavalry horses to eat them because they couldn't feed them either and the horses would have starved as well. He said they were tasty but tough.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That domestication makes their meat tough and not as good to eat.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Is this the breakthrough for horse meat becoming accepted in western diets? I say no, not when it's "horse" on the menu, BUT!, call it "Equine" and people will think wow, that sounds fancy and less Mr. Ed.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Orrex
(63,213 posts)Thanks!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)I wonder how that minor fact can be construed as a lie?
TYY