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http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/02/14/barnes_noble_collapsing.html
The End of Barnes & Noble
By Matthew Yglesias | Posted Thursday, Feb. 14, 2013, at 5:33 PM
Barnes & Noble has put out a genuinely impressive performance over the past several years. Here you have a retail chain, originating from a bookstore in New York City, that saw its industry being disrupted and rather nimbly decided it wanted to make a piece of computer hardware. And, amazingly, the Nook is a pretty good piece of computer hardware. If the iPad and the Galaxy Tab and the Microsoft Surface and the Kindle Fire didn't exist, you'd say the Nook was a revolutionary device.
The problem is that it's not the best such device on the market. Or even the second best. Or even the third best. And while some industries have room for many global players (think carsGM, Volkswagen, Toyota, Hyundai, Ford, Nissan, PSA, Honda, Renault, etc.) it looks like there's only room for two or three platforms in this game. And B&N doesn't have one. Today they announced that contrary to earlier reports, losses in the Nook division are going to grow this year rather than staying flat. And all sales across both the Web and brick-and-mortar stores fell nearly 11 percent. They're doing an impressive job of staving off collapse in the face of massive disruption, but not good enough.
It makes me sad, personally. Before Barnes & Noble was a national behemoth it was just my neighborhood bookstore, as I grew up blocks away from the original shop. I always liked to root for it against Borders. But it won't be long for this world.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)girls is going to be a thing of the past.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)If you can't afford or can't use electronic media it's your own damn fault for not being among the privileged.
still_one
(92,201 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)oldhippie
(3,249 posts)..... bookstore. Other than a couple of small Christian bookstores, I can't think of one anywhere I have ever lived in the US.
Now there's a B&N about 25 miles from me that I like to visit now and then to get a Starbucks and peruse some books. I'll miss it when it goes.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)If you are ever in Venice, CA, check out http://smallworldbooks.com/
Great mom and pop with a cat sleeping between the books!
Baitball Blogger
(46,715 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)often wonder if it's just a matter of time before brick and mortar libraries are gone.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)My sympathy is limited. But the deeper problem of what replaces the bookstore in the community is something that concerns me.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)be expecting to become rich or sell public stock. Small publishers will still print books, but they won't be economically significant, but will have a business that can sustain a family of small group of employees.
As far as information that is contained in books, that will be available from large, centralized databases and sold instantly on demand, owners of such businesses will get rich and offer stock and if they run the business well, will survive and prosper for centuries.
You should be more concerned about what happens to book writers. That is the area that I fear the most damage to. Instead of books being written out of passion and deep interest, future books will lean more and more toward being written per some formula that will be predicated and enforced by big information sellers.
randome
(34,845 posts)tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)Even though it's a love story, the subplot is when Tom Hanks' book giant puts Meg Ryan's local bookstore out of business.
randome
(34,845 posts)I just don't see everything as 'evil corporations' out to destroy the world. If people didn't prefer shopping at B&N, they would cease to exist.
I've bought many a book from small, neighborhood Mom & Pop bookstores but I have bought plenty at B&N, too.
The smaller Mom & Pop stores either don't get new releases or don't have the variety you can find in bigger stores.
It's just cultural evolution in the end, I think.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)That's because smaller book stores don't have the leverage of hundreds of stores to sell tons of books.
The B&N's buying strategy is much like wal-mart in the vein that, they can buy huge quantities of books while mom & pops only buy a few copies.
The book reader knows there is an off chance the mom & pop place will have the book, but knows for certain that B&N will have it. So instead of going to the smaller store and hoping the book is in, they go to the corp B&N knowing that the book will be there.
See?
It's sad, but at the same time, while amazon, kindle, ipad, etc are pretty much the trend, the ending of large corp books stores to me, seems like opportunity for the smaller stores to fill a niche for people who, like myself, prefer books over the electronic version.
Plus there is also this...
Some E-Books Are More Equal Than Others
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/some-e-books-are-more-equal-than-others/
This morning, hundreds of Amazon Kindle owners awoke to discover that books by a certain famous author had mysteriously disappeared from their e-book readers. These were books that they had bought and paid forthought they owned.
But no, apparently the publisher changed its mind about offering an electronic edition, and apparently Amazon, whose business lives and dies by publisher happiness, caved. It electronically deleted all books by this author from peoples Kindles and credited their accounts for the price.
This is ugly for all kinds of reasons. Amazon says that this sort of thing is rare, but that it can happen at all is unsettling; weve been taught to believe that e-books are, you know, just like books, only better. Already, weve learned that theyre not really like books, in that once were finished reading them, we cant resell or even donate them. But now we learn that all sales may not even be final.
As one of my readers noted, its like Barnes & Noble sneaking into our homes in the middle of the night, taking some books that weve been reading off our nightstands, and leaving us a check on the coffee table.
A little bit more at the link...
randome
(34,845 posts)And yes, what Amazon did stinks.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)GP6971
(31,162 posts)d_r
(6,907 posts)the company that had put the Orwell books on kindle for sale didn't have the rights to them
sweetloukillbot
(11,024 posts)There were always rumblings about small boxstores being closed because of them. But I look around Phoenix now and the great small stores - The Poisoned Pen, Changing Hands, Bard's Books.. They're still there. While the big boxes are disappearing. My favorite, the Bent Cover, closed, but I think that was more to do with the owner passing away a few years ago. B&N went into Flagstaff and the tiny feminist bookstore, Aradia, didn't close, nor did the big used bookstore, Bookman's. But even before the big box stores, I shopped at the mall shops like B Dalton or Walden more often than driving to a mom-and-pop shop. If a small store has a niche - usually a devoted sales base and good Internet presence, it survived.
randome
(34,845 posts)Thanks for the perspective.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)I could always find something great there..and then Borders & B&N came to town...soon we will have No bookstores..
We used to have 3 small stationery/gift stores and now we have none..just the overly expensive Hallmark store and Staples/Office Depot.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts), tiny footprint. People will always read and some people passionately love the feel of a book in their hands. But with education and many other functions that used books going more and more digital, I don't see how B&N, or even Borders can survive.
Burma Jones
(11,760 posts)a kennedy
(29,669 posts)As the prevalence of e-books, Kindles and Nooks continues to grow, is it time to rethink our need for libraries in a digital world? Some say we need libraries more than ever.
"Users of public library Internet connections tell surveyors that they're applying for jobs, doing homework, getting information about health care, finding out about government benefits and managing their finances," wrote Susan Crawford, a visiting professor at the Harvard Kennedy School and Harvard Law School, in a recent New York Times Room for Debate.
As technology develops, some are rethinking the traditional library. James Tracy, headmaster of Cushing Academy in Ashburnham, Mass., helped reconceptualize their school's library.
From his piece in The New York Times:
A small collection of printed books no longer supports the type of research required by a 21st century curriculum. We wanted to create a library that reflected the reality of how students do research and fostered what they do, one that went beyond stacks and stacks of underutilized books ...
Our library is now the most-used space on campus, with collaborative learning areas, classrooms with smart boards, study sections, screens for data feeds from research sites, a cyber cafe, and increased reference and circulation stations for our librarians. It has become a hub where students and faculty gather, learn and explore together.
Tracy will join The Daily Circuit Monday, Feb. 18 to discuss the future of libraries. Kit Hadley, director of the St. Paul Public Library system, will also join the discussion.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/01/14/daily-circuit-future-of-libraries
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)As wealthier families have the resources in their living room to access vast information databases, public libraries will be utilized more and more by poorer citizens. The shift presents a societal problem because funding for public libraries will come under attack from short-sighted politicians, since the people that have the will to vote them out of office have no real stake in public libraries and may not see their elimination as a hot button issue and a danger to all of society.
I expect public libraries to become more event oriented. They will offer events that draw in children, and parents from all economic stratas. The events will be what keeps public funding flowing in and the events will allow libraries to serve poor citizens who will more and more rely on public libraries as books and newspapers decline.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)thanks to forward-thinking librarians:
Ebooks For Libraries
E-books in Libraries: They Still Don't Get It
And it appears that while public funding is a big roadblock to the future of libraries, the publishers are putting up even bigger blocks. That's primarily from the biggest publishers, often labeled as "The Big Six" or "legacy publishers". The smaller ones don't seem to be so narrow-minded.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)and there are ways to position them as such.
More and more people need their services now more than ever.
I agree...libraries will change.
FSogol
(45,487 posts)You can listen online or download the book onto what devices/devices you want.
Check out Fairfax County's electronic library.
http://fairfax.lib.overdrive.com/42BA792B-7C43-4D49-96A1-E37DD66BDDAA/10/50/en/Default.htm
The physical library is in little danger here either.
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/
They've build 2 new ones in the last 10 years and just extended the operating hours. I love my library system.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)The only thing that will kill libraries will be short-sighted politicians. Go into any public library and see how busy and vibrant they are, talk to any public library employment and ask how they are adapting to the public's needs.
RetroGamer1971
(177 posts)25 Writers On The Importance Of Libraries - Flavorwire:
"British childrens author Terry Deary best known for his Horrible Histories series and controversial chatter about the nations school systems told the Guardian he thinks libraries have had their day. Hed prefer that people buy their books instead of borrowing them, claiming that books arent public property. Deary added, Authors, booksellers and publishers need to eat. We dont expect to go to a food library to be fed. The cranky comments feel like a swift kick in the teeth since libraries around the world are struggling against significant budget cuts each year, and authors have been tirelessly advocating for their importance. We gathered a few passionate statements from 20 writers that emphasize why libraries arent sentimental institutions. See what Neil Gaiman, Judy Blume, Ray Bradbury, and other writers have to contribute to the conversation, below."
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marmar
(77,081 posts)...... it's not looking too bright.
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obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)Every Kindle sold either breaks even or loses money. It's a loss leader.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)I am a new e-reader customer (Kindle Fire HD) and I only know one person who has a Nook, but many who have Kindles.
Of course the person with the Nook is the one with the most similar reading tastes to my own so I wish we could lend each other ebooks.
I haven't gone into a physical bookstore in awhile. I used to hang out at them but I've notice the political section is increasingly Glenn Beck and company. All the physical books I've read lately have been from the library, but I prefer reading on my Kindle.
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tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)I got my Kindle shortly before Christmas (right after I got back from the campaign trail) and all of my friends and family knew that I had my eyes on the Kindle for ahwile, and they all bought me Amazon gift cards.
So far I have not spent more than $3 for an ebook. Mostly I go to sites like Pixel of Ink and The Ereader Cafe and scope out the freebies.
As a campaign staffer, I am on the road for a long time and miss reading when I'm on the road (I don't want to pack too much). Having an ereader makes it a lot easier, and less to worry about.
The one thing I'm very jealous of the Nook is it's compact size. My friend's fits in his coat pocket and I'm insanely jealous.
I'm reading more physical books now because I want to take advantage of the library when I'm not on the road.
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tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)My county library (which I pay into) does not do ebooks for paid members, but my local one (that has a bad selection of paper books) buys into the state (NJ) system. I still have not figured out how it works.
I could also use my parents library (NY) but I also need to figure out how that works.
ellenfl
(8,660 posts)it was a loyalty thing because i have been a member of b&n for years . . . plus, they're blue. i didn't want to buy my books from amazon.
i just wish the nook weighed less.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)was the difference for me in going to another tablet. I wanted to support B&N, but only having access to their limited suite of apps was not acceptable.
I actually use the Nook app on my droid tablet and that is how I buy books and other materials because as I said, I want to support them.
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)the choice in the end. I know it sounds somewhat silly, but I felt you never know for what you might need a tool like that. It was a lot to spend knowing the limitation.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)brooklynite
(94,581 posts)The success or failure of the bookstores is not related to the success or failure of the nook. It has to do with the general preference of people to buy online and the growing preference to read electronically, regardless of the device.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)and they can't go out of business - I just got a Nook for Christmas and still haven't put books on it.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)technology changes society. As a lifelong scifi fan this doesn't surprise me at all. The home computer has indeed changed the world. As soon as computers were used to exchanging information with each other it was the death knell for a lot of seemingly solid businesses.
It's interesting to me that the college students that I hire as Readers right now were all born around 1990. They grew up with computers, video games, the internet, knowing how to use keyboards, cell phones and ipads. In my office we have a saying: If you can't figure out how to use a new gadget just hand it to one of the students so they can show you.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)Buying stuff online is great if you know what it is you want to buy, but I find it horrible for casual browsing. There is something fun about actual strolling through stores and discovering new things. Some of my favorite books I would never have thought to even look up online to purchase...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)They carried just about every book published, not just the pop backlist, new releases and how to do books of Barnes & Noble, but books that were real niche genres. They classified the books by publishers so if you liked a certain publisher's releases better than others you could find everything they published in that section. I do like going to our local Barnes & Noble for coffee and to browse the magazines. I really haven't bought much there in years as the paperbacks, I lived on back in my Pickwick days when I was young, had become too expensive for me to buy today so I pretty much have to rely on the library for my reading material.
RIP B & N. It's a sad day.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)If anything, so that the Nook world stays alive
zappaman
(20,606 posts)obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)They've had a huge print on for years. They have taken that to the next level with e-textbooks for the Nook and other e-readers.
There is nothing wrong with having fewer big-box bookstore. I only buy a few print books anymore. I don't even buy a lot of ebooks. I use the library for both.
d_r
(6,907 posts)honestly for reading a book I like e-ink kindles better than color or android tablets as readers. The tablets are better for other stuff of course.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)It's easier on my eyes.
I thought about the college bookstores later, but was really busy yesterday, and didn't get a chance to edit.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)There is a case to be made for going back to small-local-sustainable, of course when people are mostly broke or nearly broke, they look for super-cheap, and that usually means walmart
sweetloukillbot
(11,024 posts)E-books and piracy and all that were just the final nail. The problem was when the company was flush with cash in the late 90s, they started putting stores on every corner and tried to move overseas. They ignored Amazon, figuring it was a fad that would go away. But even the bookstore experience they were trying to create was watered down because 3 Borders in one town - 1 on the east side, 1 downtown and 1 on the westside - are destinations, 10 are eating into each others' customer base.
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