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AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 01:47 PM Feb 2013

Democratic congressional candidate quits because of NRA ‘A’ rating

By: David Edwards

A Democratic candidate for Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.’s congressional seat in Illinois has dropped out of the race after she faced an onslaught of advertising about her support for the National Rifle Association (NRA).

Illinois state Sen. Toi Hutchinson announced over the weekend that would end her candidacy and endorsed former state Rep. Robin Kelly (D) in an effort to defeat former U.S. Rep. Debbie Halvorson, who has opposed President Barack Obama’s effort to ban assault weapons.

...

“The NRA would like members of Congress to believe that politicians who vote for sensible gun regulations will pay the ultimate price come election time,” CREDO super-PAC President Becky Bond said in a statement. “But we’re proving in this race that it’s the politicians who do the NRA’s bidding who will be in trouble when they face the voters.”

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This is exactly what needs to start happening. Make candidates and politicians pay a price for showing support for the psychotic NRA.

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Democratic congressional candidate quits because of NRA ‘A’ rating (Original Post) AgingAmerican Feb 2013 OP
I've met her a couple of times Drale Feb 2013 #1
If she's clearly not a decent person, then it's good that she dropped out... derby378 Feb 2013 #4
Actually it was Blomberg and his gun violence coalition that forced her out Drale Feb 2013 #5
That could be even worse derby378 Feb 2013 #7
I think Bloomberg is more worried about more NRA puppets Drale Feb 2013 #9
He's been an Independent since 2007 No Vested Interest Feb 2013 #19
Stop spreading the NRA's lies. baldguy Feb 2013 #40
It is pretty creepy. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #44
Your "dangerous signal" is what others might call Democracy... Bandit Feb 2013 #13
Honestly, I sympathize... derby378 Feb 2013 #25
Exactly! nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #45
If she supports issues that the public doesnt support then she needs to go. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #14
It is not if millionaires are buying ads against her. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #48
Why would the elite be against her when she got a A rating from the NRA. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #49
Could it be a way of not getting her elected (by DEMS) Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #52
LOL. Reverse psychology can only work on someone with half a brain. I'll leave it there. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #54
LOL Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #57
Because of this? Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #55
Wow. That is scary. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #68
I, for one, am sick to death of the big tent. white_wolf Feb 2013 #21
Yes. And it's quite a bit of fresh air. EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #23
Then either send your donations directly to them or via PCCC. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #50
"Teabagger-style tactics?" morningfog Feb 2013 #37
A positive NRA rating is now like having a pro-rape opinion. nt onehandle Feb 2013 #2
That's very good malaise Feb 2013 #10
Radioactively toxic. ErikJ Feb 2013 #18
that is an amazingly silly thing to say...NT virginia mountainman Feb 2013 #32
YOU WISH Skittles Feb 2013 #70
This makes one wonder......... OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #3
I believe it would backfire on them AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #8
Probably, but during primary elections...... OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #12
Wouldn't work. Arkana Feb 2013 #11
I don't think it would occur for them to try. iandhr Feb 2013 #15
Welcome to DU, OceanEcosystem! calimary Feb 2013 #17
Thanks! Appreciate it! =) n/t. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #20
That could very well be plausible, IMO. AverageJoe90 Feb 2013 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #6
There are two Dems in the race with a A NRA rating. iandhr Feb 2013 #16
Good. Fuck pro-gun Democrats. nt EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #22
Does your statement of Fuck pro-gun Democrats Light House Feb 2013 #24
For some, it's better to be pure than in power... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #27
I feel a Johnny Cash song coming on derby378 Feb 2013 #28
Apparently so. Light House Feb 2013 #29
PURGE THE UNCLEAN AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #46
are you asserting people don't have a right BainsBane Feb 2013 #58
No. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #60
true BainsBane Feb 2013 #61
If we can afford to be picky in that district, cool. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #62
I seriously doubt it BainsBane Feb 2013 #64
My location would qualify as unincorporated. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #66
I believe most of the gun rights people BainsBane Feb 2013 #67
of course it does Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #30
According to a that poster Light House Feb 2013 #31
Sounds almost like those who would say, OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #43
Does that include pro-gun Democrats in Eastern Kentucky? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #26
Yea, since they clearly have NO ONE ELSE to vote for in the voting booth.. virginia mountainman Feb 2013 #33
It's because of attitudes like that... LAGC Feb 2013 #35
The NRA is toxic, TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #34
I truly believe the NRA has crossed over from 'toxic' to flat out madness AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #36
Good, there is no longer any room for NRA Corporate lackeys. n/t Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #38
Drive away the DINOs like DDT to mosquitoes. nt valerief Feb 2013 #39
Chicago is experiencing an epic gang murder spree right now. ANY politician riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #41
Since "Chicago is experiencing an epic gang murder spree," and since 911 calls for burglaries may be AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #53
Something like 50,000 deaths are related to guns in households each year - suicide, homicide etc. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #56
In Bill Clinton's autobiography, he attributes the loss of Congress in 1994 to the first AWB. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #59
Let's be clear about something... derby378 Feb 2013 #63
I am not sure that we have anything to disagree about. Someone other than me may have said that AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #65
this is good - the nra is an embarrassment samsingh Feb 2013 #47
A White woman candidate who represented a prominately White district outside of Chicago AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #51
Excellent more of these folks need to follow her example and quit Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #69
This is precisely what needs to happen... Veri1138 Feb 2013 #71
Actually, that's a great way Turbineguy Feb 2013 #72

Drale

(7,932 posts)
1. I've met her a couple of times
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 01:52 PM
Feb 2013

and she is not a nice person. She is very much like Rahm in that she thinks she's better than everyone and knows whats best for everyone. The dictator type.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
4. If she's clearly not a decent person, then it's good that she dropped out...
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:04 PM
Feb 2013

...but this does set a dangerous signal that the big tent is vulnerable to teabagger-style tactics to enforce doctrinal purity.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
5. Actually it was Blomberg and his gun violence coalition that forced her out
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:07 PM
Feb 2013

or at least thats what they said on WGN radio yesterday.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
7. That could be even worse
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:09 PM
Feb 2013

Since when does a Republican get to decide the outcome of a Democratic primary?

If true, who does Bloomberg think he is? Karl Rove?

Drale

(7,932 posts)
9. I think Bloomberg is more worried about more NRA puppets
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:11 PM
Feb 2013

getting into congress than who's a Democrat and who's a Republican. If more people thought like that we would have a much better country to live in.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
19. He's been an Independent since 2007
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:55 PM
Feb 2013

He's never been a strong Republican; was a Democrat until he decided to run for NYC mayor against Dem-endorsed candidates.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
40. Stop spreading the NRA's lies.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:39 PM
Feb 2013

Bloomberg left the GOP because of it's insane policies - like supporting the NRA.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
13. Your "dangerous signal" is what others might call Democracy...
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:22 PM
Feb 2013

There are issues people rally behind.. Republicans have them and so do Democrats. Democratys are not quite so much single issue voters as Republicans tend to be though.. I say put it out there and see which way the wind blows... If it isn't a winnable issue for Democrats then so be it, but I believe that things are changing and being solidly backed by the NRA is not a win for most Democrats...

derby378

(30,252 posts)
25. Honestly, I sympathize...
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:30 PM
Feb 2013

...although I would say that if the issue of reproductive rights comes up, the vast majority of Dems will turn single-issue PDQ.

The only other counter I'd make is that this is still the primary season. Democrats have to choose for themselves whom they want to represent them in the general election, and when you have a bunch of admitted outsiders trying to swing the primary one way or another, that can cause problems.

Otherwise, I agree with your sentiments.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. If she supports issues that the public doesnt support then she needs to go.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:31 PM
Feb 2013

And it's called democracy.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
48. It is not if millionaires are buying ads against her.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:57 PM
Feb 2013

That is not your everyday Joe making the decision.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
49. Why would the elite be against her when she got a A rating from the NRA.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:40 PM
Feb 2013

Sounds like a Republican in Demo clothing. Do you have evidence that the elite are targeting her?

Blue4Texas

(437 posts)
52. Could it be a way of not getting her elected (by DEMS)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:58 PM
Feb 2013

If so, NRA morphing into a reverse psychology psychopath

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
55. Because of this?
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:26 PM
Feb 2013

Hutchinson's decision comes after New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg had emerged as the major player in the Illinois Democratic Second Congressional District primary spending--$1.4 million as of Friday--by his anti-gun Independence PAC USA. The PAC started to take aim at Hutchinson on Friday in a massive TV buy.
and
The Bloomberg PAC has been pounding at Halvorson for weeks, coming out for Kelly--and against Hutchinson in that Friday TV spot. PAC spokesman Stefan Friedman told me Saturday the PAC was poised to spend at least $2 million in the contest.
from one of many articles.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2013/02/hutchinson_folds_house_bid_urg.html

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
37. "Teabagger-style tactics?"
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:20 PM
Feb 2013

This tent needs adjusting anyway. We can move some people out and bring many others in.

 

OceanEcosystem

(275 posts)
3. This makes one wonder.........
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:02 PM
Feb 2013

What if conservative organizations were to deliberately give liberal politicians a glowing "A" or otherwise outstanding rating, in an attempt to sabotage their standing among liberal voters?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
8. I believe it would backfire on them
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:11 PM
Feb 2013

it would be pretty obvious. 1 would only have to look at their previous statement and positions to see where they stand

 

OceanEcosystem

(275 posts)
12. Probably, but during primary elections......
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:17 PM
Feb 2013

...........When liberal politicians are competing against each other to see who can come across as the most steadfastly liberal - and, vice versa, when conservative politicians are competing to see who can portray themselves as the most steadfastly conservative?


A ringing endorsement from a pro-life organization wouldn't bode well for a pro-choice candidate, and his/her liberal opponents might pounce on it.






Arkana

(24,347 posts)
11. Wouldn't work.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:13 PM
Feb 2013

People would start to wonder why folks who were vehemently in favor of the assault weapons ban, background checks, etc--and were on the record saying as much--were getting good ratings from the Wayne LaPierre Looney Bin.

calimary

(81,302 posts)
17. Welcome to DU, OceanEcosystem!
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:33 PM
Feb 2013

Glad you're here! I LOVE your screen name! Every time you post - we'll think about that!

Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
16. There are two Dems in the race with a A NRA rating.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:32 PM
Feb 2013

Is there a worry her support will flow to the other Dem with the A rating?

 

Light House

(413 posts)
29. Apparently so.
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:39 PM
Feb 2013

I'm wondering if his statement includes all gun owning Democrats.
I'm wondering if we're going to get an answer?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
60. No.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:52 PM
Feb 2013

I was being sarcastic. You'd be hard pressed to find two people on this site that have precisely the same values across the entire party platform.

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
61. true
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:57 PM
Feb 2013

but in an inner city district afflicted by as much gun violence as Jackson's, I would guess that the NRA is not viewed favorably there. The Democratic primary is where this election is contested. Like most urban districts, it will not go Republican. I would think it's somewhat similar to my own district, represented by Keith Ellison (MN-05). Thankfully, our rate of gun violence has declined in recent years.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
62. If we can afford to be picky in that district, cool.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:02 PM
Feb 2013

otherwise we stand to lose a lot, if a Repub can take it in the confusion.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
66. My location would qualify as unincorporated.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:40 PM
Feb 2013

In fact, it is unincorporated county land outside a town, not a city.

When I lived in Seattle, we had a pretty good hold on Mayor. Now, I'm in a 'red' district.

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
67. I believe most of the gun rights people
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:58 PM
Feb 2013

are from rural and suburban areas, or so it seems. That would account for some of the differences of opinion. Guns are far more dangerous in cities.

 

Light House

(413 posts)
31. According to a that poster
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:52 PM
Feb 2013

that seems to be the case.
I own a couple of firearms, not particularly pro or anti gun, but statements like his are sure to turn off rural gun owning Democrats and make it harder for pro gun Dem candidates in red states.

 

OceanEcosystem

(275 posts)
43. Sounds almost like those who would say,
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 06:25 PM
Feb 2013

"We cannot be good Republicans if we do not love guns."


It is rather oversimplistic.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
33. Yea, since they clearly have NO ONE ELSE to vote for in the voting booth..
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:56 PM
Feb 2013

Or do they?!?! Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
35. It's because of attitudes like that...
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:01 PM
Feb 2013

...that so many state legislatures are solidly controlled by the R's.

I doubt you're going to see the Kentucky Senate turn over with that kind of outlook any-time soon.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
36. I truly believe the NRA has crossed over from 'toxic' to flat out madness
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:08 PM
Feb 2013

LaPierre's rants have become detached and paranoid. Guns for hurricanes, guns for tornadoes, guns for riots, guns for gargoyles and zombies. Guns for the end times. Guns as the end all for every situation.

Madness.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. Chicago is experiencing an epic gang murder spree right now. ANY politician
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:45 PM
Feb 2013

who has an A rating from the NRA should be in trouble in light of what the local communities here are experiencing - especially Jesse Jackson Jr's constituents.

Its not only important to shut down these candidates nationally but in light of the local dynamics at play here, its doubly important to make these points when we justifiably can, where the message hits home very powerfully.

Here we can.



 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
53. Since "Chicago is experiencing an epic gang murder spree," and since 911 calls for burglaries may be
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:00 PM
Feb 2013

disregarded by the Chicago police (It's been in the news), law-abiding homeowners should not be able to own firearms in their homes for self-defense.

Yea, that will show the NRA.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
56. Something like 50,000 deaths are related to guns in households each year - suicide, homicide etc.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:31 PM
Feb 2013

The easy accessibility to a weapon that your homeowner believes they need to protect themselves from a hypothetical intruder ensures that even MORE People die because they've left it out. Interestingly, most burglaries are committed by people we know. Locked doors and windows are the best protection against being burgled, not a gun.

Furthermore, NOT locking up your weapon makes it a fair target to get stolen.

I don't want restrict a single weapon. I advocate for them to be locked up or the homeowner faces prosecution for the damage their gun has wrought.

A very, very small number of people die in a home burglary (its something like 1000 people the last time I read the NCVS report). Most of those would have found better protection with locked doors and a dog. Is the easy accessibility to a gun a fair trade-off for 50k dead people every year?

Regardless this many dead people doesn't appear to "show" the NRA anything since clearly they don't give a shit. Are you concerned about Chicago's current murder spree or are you more worried about protecting your stuff?




 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
59. In Bill Clinton's autobiography, he attributes the loss of Congress in 1994 to the first AWB.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:22 PM
Feb 2013

What some of the firearm-owning Democrats and firearm-owning Independents were opposed to was irrational legislation.

Opposing certain firearms on the basis of cosmetic appearances, for some, is irrational.

Opposing allowing law-abiding homeowners to make choices, and choose whether to own a firearm in the home for self-defense, is also irrational to some people.

What I am opposed to is authoritarianism, irrationality, and the loss of more elections. The fact that a Democratic candidate in a safe district is now representing the interests of the big-money people who want further restrictions on firearm ownership (even irrational restrictions) does not mean that anti-gun positions taken by some Democrats will have no effect on elections involving other Democratic candidates. Senator Dianne Feinstein, for example, represents the rich and the super-rich while publicly opposing the private ownership of firearms. She is a known firearm owner, however.

Adopting and promoting irrational authoritarian positions is not consistent with liberal values. Irrationally reducing choices for those who want to be able to lawfully defend themselves in their homes or discourage home invasions is not consistent with liberal values. Anyone who tells you that all good liberals are opposed to gun ownership is blowing smoke at you.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
63. Let's be clear about something...
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:06 PM
Feb 2013

Pistol grips and muzzle brakes are not "cosmetic" features. They improve the handling and stability of the gun in question.

Otherwise, I'm in agreement.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
65. I am not sure that we have anything to disagree about. Someone other than me may have said that
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:31 PM
Feb 2013

pistol grips and muzzle brakes are cosmetic features, or only cosmetic features, but I have not.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
51. A White woman candidate who represented a prominately White district outside of Chicago
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:53 PM
Feb 2013

has a chance of winning a Congressional seat in a predominately Black district that was represented by Jesse Jackson, Jr?

And the reason that she will be defeated is due to her opposition to anti-gun positions?

Yea. She might otherwise be blessed by some if she opposed the ruling in the Heller decision? How irrational of her.

 

Veri1138

(61 posts)
71. This is precisely what needs to happen...
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:48 AM
Feb 2013

"This is exactly what needs to start happening. Make candidates and politicians pay a price for showing support for the psychotic NRA."

And the Banks.

And Wall Street.

And Private-Public Investment rip-offs and scams (Democrats, Republicans, Obama is in State of the Commerce Chamber speech).

And for Presidents who put Social Security on the table (Obama)

And a President and Politicians who pass health care that is a gift to health care corporations (Republicans, Democrats, Obama).

And appointing crony Wall Streeters to government positions to regulate the financial industry (Democrats, Obama, Republicans).

And writing laws to benefit investors in the destruction of the USPS (Republicans).

The list could go on. You get the point. And quite frankly, while gun control is a serious issue, the unintended consequences are to detract from other ills of society.

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