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They're coming out of the woodwork now on Rachel's 'Hubris' report.
Gov.t officials, scientists, intelligence experts, reporters. Many knew these were lies. Yet nobody called a press conference to charge fraud. Nobody called the Washington Post or NY Times.
Aluminum tubes...a lie.
Yellow cake...a lie.
Meeting in Prague...a lie.
Nuclear program...a lie.
Stockpiles of WMD...a lie.
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LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)to call bullshit when they smelled it. A few well-placed resignations might have gotten the attention of some in congress as well as the nation at large. Like Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre.
madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)His wife paid the price.
Damned disgusting, isn't it?
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Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)Why do we disdain whistleblowers in this country? The truth might get out.
snot
(10,529 posts)HoneychildMooseMoss
(251 posts)and then he "committed suicide"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133201/Dr-Richard-Holmes-Suicide-riddle-weapons-expert-worked-David-Kelly.html
global1
(25,251 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,723 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...this country changed. Not only were we ignored--anyone who was against the Iraq War was
positioned at a terrorist. We were supposedly with the terrorists. It is disgusting.
And we were right to be skeptical of the war, and the rush to war--with such flimsy evidence. I remember
seeing the "yellow-cake" letter and laughing at how amateurish it looked.
It was all a big hoax.
The neocons had been salivating for years, to get into the Middle East. They figured they could justify
Iraq, because it was easy to demonize and lie about Saddam Hussein.
It's all a disgrace.
Baitball Blogger
(46,723 posts)My situation was compounded because my entire right-wing community was in full cray-cray.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022366720#post39
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Kinda pleased to see much more suspicion about Gov honesty, now, tho.
Call it a healthy skepticism.
Baitball Blogger
(46,723 posts)It's reckoning day.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,723 posts)Ada: When this war is over, there will be a reckoning.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)That does not reduce the frustration, especially when the Chief Executive wasn't even elected by the People.
Baitball Blogger
(46,723 posts)killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)which were then uncritically reported by the media.
It was completely infuriating following events as they happened in real time.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)And look what they did to him.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Government officials
John J. Kokal
Gus Weiss
David Kelly
who all opposed the war,
and the reporter-lawyer who actually asked the White House about the Iraq War Lie...
Paul Sanford.
All, except Dr. Kelly, fell to their deaths.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I want to say that only the dimmest republican teabagger is not now convinced that the whole Iraq war was a conspiracy thought up and conceived by BFEE.
And knowing that, it is no leap to say that murdering the truth tellers in your list, doesn't even compare to the murders of the Iraqis. If Bush/Cheney would kill hundreds of thousands, 4 more would be nothing to them. Even 3,000 Americans would mean nothing to the conspirators behind the Iraq invasion.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....for going to war. If you got in the way of that train, you were in trouble...in some cases, terminal trouble.
It's the way the powers behind the throne have always worked in the US, although the vast majority of Americans choose to either not believe it, or totally ignore it.
just1voice
(1,362 posts)"...Blix's statements about the Iraq WMD program came to contradict the claims of the George W. Bush administration, and attracted a great deal of criticism from supporters of the invasion of Iraq. In an interview on BBC TV on 8 February 2004, Dr. Blix accused the US and British governments of dramatising the threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in order to strengthen the case for the 2003 war against the regime of Saddam Hussein. Ultimately, no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction were ever found."
snot
(10,529 posts)more people demonstrated against the invasion BEFORE it happened than demonstrated against the Viet Nam war over its entire duration.
We just didn't hear about the demonstrations, or the reasons for doubting the Bush admin.'s story, in the corporate media; because we've allowed 95% of the media to become owned by 6 corps.
The only place I heard mention of the possibility that the aluminum tubes might actually be as well or better suited for non-nuclear purposes was the BBC.
And please forgive if this is off-topic, but the BBC is about to lay off 2,000. And maybe 2 years ago or so, their governing rules were changed to the effect that the trustees to their board would be appointed by the Prime Minister, and programming could be outsourced. (This was after the BBC had gone after Tony Blair re- the Downing St. Memo.)
And I tried to raise the alarm on D.U., and the post sank like a stone.
PD Turk
(1,289 posts)And our news media in this country...... gutless bastards every damn one of them. The craven cowards have blood on their hands. If anybody did blow the whistle the media did their best to make damn sure nobody heard it
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...with the largest protests taking place in Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York City.
The media in this country has been controlled by the CIA and other organizations for quite some time...maybe you should read the following:
Operation Mockingbird
QUOTE:
In 1948 Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects. Soon afterwards it was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on "propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."
Later that year Wisner established Mockingbird, a program to influence the domestic American media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham (Washington Post) to run the project within the industry. Graham himself recruited others who had worked for military intelligence during the war. This included James Truitt, Russell Wiggins, Phil Geyelin, John Hayes and Alan Barth. Others like Stewart Alsop, Joseph Alsop and James Reston, were recruited from within the Georgetown Set. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great): "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles."
JVS
(61,935 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)of congress and gave a TV rant about how the war was wrong.
And for this I will never forgive her.
3....2....1......
Flame away.
AnnieBW
(10,427 posts)Amb. Wilson called bullshit on the Bush lies. His wife, Valerie Plame, was outed as a CIA asset. That kind of discourages anyone else in the Intelligence Community from stepping forward.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....70 people who were exposed when Ms. Plame was outed as a CIA NOC. Not only did it stifle dissent within the CIA, but it also eliminated yet another way to prove the Bushies were lying about WMDs in Iraq.
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Lugnut
(9,791 posts)The book terrified me about how the real PTB operates. I might be inclined to shut up like most people did.
Graybeard
(6,996 posts)'Family Of Secrets' is definitely the book to read.
CanonRay
(14,103 posts)...why didn't you just stand up and say "Cheney, you fucking liar"...it would have blown the whole thing open.
Graybeard
(6,996 posts)Poor Gen. Zinni. Mental breakdown, you know. Had to be put away for his own good.
rurallib
(62,416 posts)can't remember names off the top of my head. I remember one was retired even though he didn't want to be.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)Dubya and the neo-cons had a lot of friends around the world who were complicit in these war crimes and it appears they, like our own politicians, are happy to "move on" and avoid investigating what is the biggest war crimes in the past decade. Powell's lies to the UN were met with tactic silence as the dubya regime put pressure on "friends" around the world to make their war for profit look like an "international effort".
I've long felt it was beyond our own political system to ever hold dubya and his cabal accountable...the ultimate "too big to fail". Democrats are fearful that rushpublicans will use any investigation to go after Democrats. From the executive viewpoint, you don't shit where you sleep...investigating a past administration opens the door to having yours investigated after leaving office. The dysfunction of our legislative makes it even more difficult as any real investigation will be stonewalled and watered down for political expediency....especially as long as the rushpublicans control the House.
Thus...one can only hope that the long cast of history can and will be the best punishment we can expect. The fact that dubya remains extremely unpopular and a virtual exile/recluse is his lasting legacy. Of course I'd love to see an international tribunal investigate the the Iraq fiasco, however it doesn't appear there's any appetite in the Hague than there is in this country...
malaise
(269,025 posts)David Kelly
Robin Cook
Both ended up dead.
Atman
(31,464 posts)It was a set-up from day one, and the media was complicit.
I remember getting in "fights" on DU with people defending CSPAN's "Free MUMIA" coverage and A.N.S.W.E.R. It was a very frustrating time.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)war cheerleaders are all rewarded and promoted. Hagel voted Yes. He will be Sec of Defense for backing a hoax. Those who voted NO were trashed, attacked and are still forgotten by all.
FleetwoodMac
(351 posts)The Fourth Estate cowered under the gaze of the neocons, and some even instituted self-censorship and joined in the jingoistic marching chorus.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)The rest are filthy scum, the Rathers, the Brokaws and all ALL the rest. Fucking accomplices.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)FleetwoodMac
(351 posts)Matthews should make an on air apology to the man.
If he could apologize on air to Mrs. Clinton, then he should be able to do the same to Donahue.
KG
(28,751 posts)when the opportunity to kill some furiners jumps up?
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)the authoritarians can absolutely turn on a dime when it suits their own purposes.
These are the same assholes that suddenly began posting siglines about how "dissent is the ultimate form of patriotism" or some similar pablum on the day that Barack Obama was inaugurated. Yes, the very same assholes that called the rest of "terrorist sympathizers" for our opposition to the Iraq invasion.