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deminks

(11,014 posts)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:42 AM Feb 2013

Remember, Bushco began planning for Iraq war BEFORE 9/11

Last edited Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:30 AM - Edit history (1)

Paul O'Neill, former Bush treasury secretary interviewed in 2004.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/01/11/bush_began_iraq_plan_pre_911_oneill_says/

(snip)

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told the news program, according to excerpts released yesterday. "For me, the notion of preemption, that the US has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said yesterday that Hussein "was a threat to peace and stability before Sept. 11, and even more of a threat after Sept. 11."

The interview of O'Neill, the only Bush Cabinet member so far to leave office, served as a preview to a forthcoming book written by former Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind about O'Neill's experience in the Bush administration.

The book is based in part on thousands of notes and documents collected by the former treasury chief, as well as information gathered by Suskind from other White House insiders, to examine the first half of the president's term. It is bound to reignite the debate over whether the Bush administration used the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as cover to launch a preordained policy of toppling Hussein.

(end snip)


January 30, 2001 document:

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new-documents-show-bush-administration-plan

Edited to add another reference link:

http://downingstreetmemo.com/timeline/

Downing Street Memo Misled into War - A Timeline.

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Remember, Bushco began planning for Iraq war BEFORE 9/11 (Original Post) deminks Feb 2013 OP
And stole an election to achieve it malaise Feb 2013 #1
W stole two elections. Botany Feb 2013 #11
A whole lot of people on here don't remember that John Kerry, our Sec of State loudsue Feb 2013 #15
Tell me about I live in Ohio and I saw "it" w/my own eyes and heard "it w/my own ears Botany Feb 2013 #16
He said he would attack Iraq when he was candidate for President Turbineguy Feb 2013 #2
Yes, I remember. sakabatou Feb 2013 #3
Also the 'Patriot Act' was on the shelf, ready to go... peace13 Feb 2013 #4
Hague of a job, dubya! trusty elf Feb 2013 #5
One thing the public REALLY needs to understand ... Martin Eden Feb 2013 #6
"Stop it. You're torturing me." - GWB (R) doing his James Dean imitation Berlum Feb 2013 #7
And remember when... Larry Ogg Feb 2013 #8
So who had the original idea to invade Iraq? I'm confused vlyons Feb 2013 #9
The latest incarnation of Standard Oil, who lost those oilfields long before Demeter Feb 2013 #12
I am not 100% on this, but it wouldn't surprise me if they let it happen on purpose. nt EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #10
Regardless of their criminal nature or neglect... Larry Ogg Feb 2013 #14
Tons of evidence tlw3 Feb 2013 #13
I remember telling friends that we would be at war with Iraq in a year after the 2000 election MiniMe Feb 2013 #17
Keep in mind that the REAL long-range target is Iran.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #18
It was a PNAC objective all along. Rummy, Cheney, Perle, etc. Gorp Feb 2013 #19
Lots of info and angles that Maddow didn't have time to explore. I found wiggs Feb 2013 #20

Botany

(70,511 posts)
11. W stole two elections.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:06 AM
Feb 2013

BTW Paul O'Neil is on record as saying that in Feb. and March 2001 he saw maps of
Iraqi oil fields on Dick Cheney's desk.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
15. A whole lot of people on here don't remember that John Kerry, our Sec of State
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:00 AM
Feb 2013

was actually elected president by a majority of Americans. Ohio was solidly and fraudulently stolen, and I suspect Texas, New Mexico, Florida and Georgia were, as well.

Botany

(70,511 posts)
16. Tell me about I live in Ohio and I saw "it" w/my own eyes and heard "it w/my own ears
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:32 AM
Feb 2013

And it was not just one or two things but literally hundreds of glitches, machine problems,
long lines, and people being dropped from voter rolls that happened and all of them were to
the benefit of W .... a statical impossibility.

@ 5:00 or 6:00 something PM on ll/2/04 Karen Hughes went and told W he had lost and W just
laughed.

Turbineguy

(37,337 posts)
2. He said he would attack Iraq when he was candidate for President
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:22 AM
Feb 2013

He said it only once. No doubt Rove took him aside for a quiet word afterwards.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
4. Also the 'Patriot Act' was on the shelf, ready to go...
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:03 AM
Feb 2013

The wheel was in motion before 911, that is clear. PNAC , let's not forget these folks. The trail is wide and well marked. It is Mr. holder who is blind to it.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
6. One thing the public REALLY needs to understand ...
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:25 AM
Feb 2013

Bushco didn't decide to invade Iraq based on evidence of WMD ...
Bushco had already decided to invade Iraq, and used WMD as a pretext.
In order to make that case for war, they had to blatantly misrepresent the available intelligence.

Larry Ogg

(1,474 posts)
8. And remember when...
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:45 AM
Feb 2013

Nancy Pelosi didn't think that that never elected psychopath warmonger piece of shit (aka Gorge Bush) should be impeached?

For those who need help remembering:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=838687

Morality is in the eye of the beholder, and it seems to me that big money influence within our pretend democracy, has bought us politicians that lack any real sense of morality.

I know most people, for one reason or another, don't like to be reminded. However, for what it's worth, if we make the mistake of pointing the finger at a single piece of garbage like "Gorge Bush", we will always fall short of cleaning out all the garbage.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
9. So who had the original idea to invade Iraq? I'm confused
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:49 AM
Feb 2013

After watching "Hubris" I got the impression that it originated with Wolfowitz, who sold it to Bushco. If not he, who was the originator?

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
12. The latest incarnation of Standard Oil, who lost those oilfields long before
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:14 AM
Feb 2013

1972, if I'm reading wiki right.

Larry Ogg

(1,474 posts)
14. Regardless of their criminal nature or neglect...
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:37 AM
Feb 2013

I would wager to say, that they were not worried about being held accountable for their behavior by any higher power, or their bought and paid for corporately owned sister Party, aka the Democratic Party.

If you look at history, and not the blinding facade of ideology that both major Parties hide behind, you can be 100% certain about that.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
17. I remember telling friends that we would be at war with Iraq in a year after the 2000 election
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:40 AM
Feb 2013

I was off by a little, but not much.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
18. Keep in mind that the REAL long-range target is Iran....
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:57 AM
Feb 2013

....and this map of US bases in the Middle East proves it:



 

Gorp

(716 posts)
19. It was a PNAC objective all along. Rummy, Cheney, Perle, etc.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:26 PM
Feb 2013

They just used Bush as the idiot front-man to get what they really wanted.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
20. Lots of info and angles that Maddow didn't have time to explore. I found
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:39 PM
Feb 2013

the piece less hard hitting and thorough than her usual show. She needs a miniseries on Hubris that includes discussion, analysis, and her unique ability to frame an argument.

The Price of Loyality with Suskind and ONeill was one of the first 'recent' political books I read and really helped opened my eyes to the Bush administration.

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