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Graybeard

(6,996 posts)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:11 AM Feb 2013

Chuck Todd too. No mention of 'Hubris'.

After Morning Joke willfully ignored the 'Hubris' special for 3 hours (shame on you Mika. Not even a nod for a good job?) Chuck Todd now has billboarded his show with no mention of it either.

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HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
2. Of course. It shames the Bewsh administration.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:19 AM
Feb 2013

These jokes should never have been allowed to manage a Burger King, let alone a country. It pretty much exemplifies the Corporate media'$ role in allowing 43's Reign of Fail to get away with all that they did . . . and that legacy lives on to this day.

blm

(113,063 posts)
4. They know they were used willingly. MSNBC back then was programmed specifically to support Bush
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:51 AM
Feb 2013

and his military decisions. Remember when anti-war voices would NOT be BOOKED by the production offices, and 90% of the guests booked were Republicans or pro-Bush Dems like Lieberman?

Heck - Lawrence O'Donnell was blackballed in fall of 2004 for calling out one of the Swiftliars for lying blatantly.

MSNBC kept a tight grip on any dissent of Bush (even Olbermann) until 2006.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
6. Exactly. msnbc fired Donahue even though
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:07 AM
Feb 2013

he had the highest rated show on their network at the time.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
7. I don't get this...Hubris wasn't a news story
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:15 AM
Feb 2013

it was a documentary and presented nearly nothing new.

The nation KNOWS it was lied into this war. It was obvious to most at the time the lies were being told. The occupation of Iraq and the search for WMD that came up with nothing made the truth about the lying unchallengeable.

The nation, and the western world turned away from reacting to the truth about the lies years ago.

Why would it be news, now?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
8. Much of the nation doesn't know that.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:18 AM
Feb 2013

Close to half of the nation can't find Iraq on a globe if you turn it such that Iraq is facing them.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
10. I don't disagree, but 'populus sunt ignarus' isn't a defense of Hubris as "news"
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:10 PM
Feb 2013

Hubris was a 10th anniversary historical piece.

I didn't see where it presented anything that rose to the level of novel revelations/insights that would be expected of something newsworthy.

I'd be interested in examples of places where it did provide anything newsworthy, because I missed them.

The documentary's value seems to be in the heuristic nature of a historical piece. It captures in one place a lot of old video and some video commentary, that mostly restates positions expressed previously.

As history often is, it's aimed at educating "much of the nation" more than it is at making news. Being presented on MSNBC, it probably didn't reach them.

The venue had it preaching to the choir who were probably much like me, lip-synching to most of the video clips.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
11. at the very least, I think, it refreshes the memory..
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:35 PM
Feb 2013

as people like Dick Cheney get up and say Obama's choices
for national defense are second-rate, and McCain vomits
his arrogant national security outrage all over television.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
12. also newsworthy for me personally -- I had somehow missed it when it happened --
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:37 PM
Feb 2013

was the conversion and conscience of Walter Jones.
His interview clips almost made me cry.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
14. Many news shows have mentioned the fact that the 10th anniversay is approaching.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:02 PM
Feb 2013

News shows often talk about past events. McCain and Graham's grandstanding on Bengazhi also make the Iraq war, and other such WMD cheerleaders, relevant.

And you can bet that Joe Scab and Chuck Toad will mention the anniversary, and yet probably also avoid mentioning much about why it happened, or how how well Rachel did summarizing it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
16. That wasn't an argument that Hubris is/was newsworthy and SHOULD be discussed as news
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:05 PM
Feb 2013

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today on other MSNBC shows, either.

Hubris should be news because Neocon supporters are now grandstanding on Bengazhi? Really? You think we should get our knickers in an uncomfortable knot because of this?

Oh my.










TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
9. Todd and Scarborough
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:19 AM
Feb 2013

by not commenting on the show, risk being misread. Professional jealousy? Todd's body language and manner of speaking are very uncomfortable whenever he is on the air with Rachel and Scarborough won't even be on the air with her. Perhaps they fear appearing woefully inadequate in comparison. Mika probably agrees with Rachel but is so browbeaten by Joe and Todd that she won't dare speak up.

tavernier

(12,389 posts)
13. Oh please, that was on last night.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:02 PM
Feb 2013

The thousands of upon thousands dead? Yeah, so? Ancient history.

Now let's talk Benghazi...

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