My great liberal state of Maryland becomes first to BAN GUN SHOWS

[Happyhippychick]

Last edited Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.inquisitr.com/531710/maryland-county-gun-show-ban/

Prince George’s County, MD – One Maryland county has banned all gun shows indefinitely. County officials opted to cancel legal gun shows while the federal government debates gun control measures. The Newtown massacre was noted when Prince George’s leaders announced the decision to ban gun shows.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/531710/maryland-county-gun-show-ban/#pj9MDlajSJ2HcvcM.99

Hallelujah! Love my state!

[cali]

1. That's amazing. I wish gun shows where you can purchase guns

were banned everywhere.

It'll never happen in my state. Liberal as it is, Vermont has a thriving gun culture.

[cthulu2016]

2. I disagree with this. The thing to do was

to pass a PG county law making it illegal to sell a gun without performing the federal background check.

And if PG county can ban no-check gun sales, then go for it! That's fine.

And if that has the effect of making gun shows too burdensome to bother staging them then that is what happens.

As is usually the case, my view has nothing to do with guns in particular, but rather about civil liberties.

Or if PG county wants to say nobody can sell a gun without being a licensed dealer, then say that.

(And maybe they did -- the article is a little thin on the legal method of the ban)

[kelly1mm]

3. What other state could have banned gun shows in PG county? And, it was not

the state government that banned the gun shows in PG, but the county itself. So, maybe a better title would be "The great liberal county of Prince George's in the great liberal state of Maryland bans gun shows"?

[Happyhippychick]

8. Yes my wording was imperfect, too excited to care!

[friendly_iconoclast]

11. And they banned them only in publicly-owned venues, not private ones.

So you lot might wish to keep the cheering to a minimum.
My assertion that 'factual accuracy is strictly optional for gun control advocates', is proved correct yet again..

[Light House]

13. Thanks for the info.

I was wondering if it was just county owned property and not private property.

[onehandle]

4. Gun Shows = Birthplace of Modern Domestic Terrorism.

Just look at their poster child:

[Eleanors38]

10. Yes, he bought a van-sized fertilizer bomb at the Buffalo Butt Gun Show. really. nt

[Hoyt]

28. He was also a right wing gun nut.

[customerserviceguy]

29. Still

It wasn't his choice of murder weapon.

[Eleanors38]

33. Who used a bomb. He didn't need no stinkin' guns.

[Hoyt]

34. ERoosevelt's 38, guns were his gateway to lethal weapons and intimidation. He was typical right wing

lethal weapons worshiper (aka, nut).

[Eleanors38]

35. "...his gateway..." Sounds like the old gateway theory of drugs: Pot leads to Heroin. LOL.

[loyalsister]

39. There IS a gateway to illegal drugs

Legal drugs: alcohol and cigarettes and even caffeine

[Eleanors38]

43. Coca-cola did it for me! Now I use milk & Hershey almond kisses.

[loyalsister]

45. funny

but not really. I have had conversations with more than one addict. One in particular started using speed and eventually cocaine when coffee and caffeine pills weren't enough. He never used marijuana regularly.

[Eleanors38]

46. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Rule of logic violated as much as 5A

[loyalsister]

49. Clever

Maybe you missed the point of the experience sought. The guy wasn't interested in relaxing. He wanted something that kept him up and even hyper. There is a legal way to do that but in his case there came a point where it wasn't enough.
It is not unusual for people with addictive tendencies to want to find a broader range of experiences that alter their mental and physiological experience. Alcohol and cigarettes and other legal sources are a logical starting point.

[Eleanors38]

50. I see. Should drugs remain criminalized? More stuff criminalized?

[loyalsister]

54. I favor decriminalization of Marijuana

I think there's a good argument for decriminalizing drugs that have more damaging effects. If it is done with a shift to a consideration of addiction as a medical problem, I can see some potential good results. If morphine were prescribed for addicts, maybe criminal drug trade of heroin would be less necessary and therefore reduced.
The same goes for the availability of a stimulant "high."

There are potential unintended consequences, though. Unlimited availability would require careful monitoring because of the long term physical effects.
Also, people who have mental illnesses often don't seek treatment because they treat their symptoms with alcohol or other drugs. Having more options could further complicate a very big problem within the mental health system.

There are a lot of variables to consider. The human cost has to evaluated carefully.

[Eleanors38]

57. I favor legalization of all now-illegal drugs. Legalization means regulation...

The main public interest: Reduction of crime, murder, corruption, resource diversion, gross discrimination. This interest can best be met by government-approved means of legally obtaining addictive substances at a price below the black market price. Programs of harm reduction can be offered where drugs are dispensed. Those who choose to ignore this may die early, but the public interest will be better served.

Marijuana should have been legalized generations ago.

Again, the main interest of the state is paramount: Crime reduction, reduction of costs, and public health improvement.

The state's coercive police powers should not be an integral part of treating addiction. Med. Programs yes, but not police coersion.

[ZombieHorde]

5. Can guns still be sold at flea markets?

I wonder if gun sellers will just take their wares to other venues.

[Recursion]

9. And garage sales, classified ads, swap meets...

... focusing on gun shows is culture war theater.

[ZombieHorde]

36. My guess was they just wanted to look good without

really doing anything.

[Waiting For Everyman]

6. Yay, Maryland! I hope the other counties follow suit.

(I'm a Marylander, too. Also very proud of those in our state for doing this.)

PG County really needs a violence clean up badly. I remember when it was a very different place.

[friendly_iconoclast]

7. Wrong- PG County did not ban gun shows, just ones at a publicly-owned arena.

http://www.showplacearena.com/

The Show Place Arena and Prince George's Equestrian Center are facilities of The Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission, Department of Parks and Recreation/Prince George's County, Maryland. For information on other facilities, classes and parks, visit www.pgparks.com.

They did, however, provide lots of free publicity for the first promoter that can find a private venue
for a gun show...

[Eleanors38]

12. The happy clods in Travis County, TX are trying the same thing...

And because of them, people had to wait in huge lines at the gun show. I never saw a 2" add in a failing daily paper bring THAT many in.

[friendly_iconoclast]

14. That lot just can't seem to grok the concept of 'counterproductive', can they?

Another example:

Seattle Times: "Misstep in gun bill could defeat the effort"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172110632

[Recursion]

15. National Harbor Gunshow!

Crazier things have happened.

[hack89]

16. That still leaves the classifieds, internet and bulletin boards.

but I guess it makes people feel like they are doing something.

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. Not to mention privately-owned venues in that same county...

[LanternWaste]

40. I think it's called "A Start".

" feel like they are doing something..."

I think it's called "A Start".

[hack89]

41. But it may be counter productive

just like 1994, there will be blowback from any gun control legislation. It may be "a start" but also "the end" if all it does is mobilize political opposition to further gun control. This notion of incremental gun control is nonsense - there will one shot at the prize.

[Eleanors38]

44. What do you envision as the "finish?"

[marmar]

18. I think of Maryland as a Democratic state, but liberal might be overstating it a bit. .......

...... It certainly has its liberal bastions, but Annapolis is never going to be confused with Berkeley.

[rightsideout]

19. I'm proud of Maryland and my County

Lived in Prince George's County all my life. I'm glad to hear they are doing something and not burying their head in the sand on the issue.

Every little bit of deterrence helps.

[Kingofalldems]

20. Proud Maryland resident here.

O'Malley is going places.

NRA hates him, which is great.

[Kingofalldems]

21. Gunswarmers on the attack.

[madinmaryland]

22. I don't think we even have gun shows in HoCo. I know they have a lot out in Frederick,

but that is also Klan territory, also.

[Gorp]

23. Weird. I used to live in PG. That county is all ABOUT guns.

Well, perhaps that's why they adopted the new rule. There are guns everywhere in PG. I'm thinking this is a good development.

[rightsideout]

27. It is a good idea

I've lived in the county my whole life. Still here and haven't been shot yet. LOL. I've never seen a gun. Knock on wood. Of course, I don't hang out with gang members and the drug traders.

Some of my neighbors claim to have guns but I've never seen them.

[Gorp]

31. I lived in Riverdale for a while. Tough neighborhood.

[zappaman]

24. This ex-Marylander(Severna Park) gives this a DU Rec and kick! n/t

[invader zim]

55. good thing you got out while you could

maryland...the north korea of the country

personal freedoms.. md ranks dead last (unless crushing taxation is considered a freedom)

[zappaman]

56. "personal freedoms.. md ranks dead last"

Not sure what you mean by this?
What personal freedoms has MD lost?

[slackmaster]

25. One county.

And they can't ban a show at a private venue because that would violate the First Amendment.

[judesedit]

26. Good. Hotheads and criminals buy guns at gun shows. No questions asked. They should be banned.

[Recursion]

30. We should ban yard sales too (nt)

[Glassunion]

32. So. By this time next year what is your prediction?

Will violent crime commited with a firearm decrease in PG county?

[marions ghost]

37. Prince Georges Co

[apocalypsehow]

38. Great news for those of us who actually care about our fellow American's well-being, as opposed

to the gun culture's and gun lobby which cares for nothing other than their deadly little hobby regardless of the mayhem it spreads from sea-to-shining sea.

Expect to see much, much anger vented here by our "pro gun progressives"*, but I got news for our friends: better get used to it. As the nation increasingly turns "Blue" these kinds of sensible reforms and legislation are going to become the norm in 21st century America.

Get over it.



*( )


Edit: clarity.

[shcrane71]

42. Good riddance.

[Eleanors38]

47. Some pols are trying to ban gun shows at county-owned facilities...

...already a gun show is scheduling in a private facility where I live.

This what you had in mind?

[shcrane71]

52. Nope. I have in mind the banning of gun shows altogether. nt

[Eleanors38]

48. Are the officials canceling shows on private property?

[Samjm]

51. I think it is all for show

And doesn't really have any teeth. There will still be gun shows in PG County.

Why not do what Colorado did YEARS ago and require background checks on all gun show purchases. There is no "gun show loophole" here. (And guess what - they still have huge gun shows that are very well attended.) Why does MD have to wait for the Feds to make a decision? They're a state that can still make their own laws.

[Politicalboi]

53. Now we need consignment shops

For private sales. That way the shop can do the paper work, and it's on record. No more private sales of guns should be allowed either. You can't buy weed on craigslist, the same should go for guns.