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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 08:41 AM Feb 2013

The Case for Closing Liquor Stores

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/case-closing-liquor-stores



Liquor stores attract violent crime the way honey attracts flies. On many maps showing the location of both liquor stores and violent crime, the dots representing crime look like metal filings drawn to a powerful magnet—the booze outlet. The discovery that violent crime is related to places, not only people, and that about half of all crimes tend to occur in about 5% of locations, was made in New York City in the 1980s. Focusing on the role that alcohol outlets play in a city's violent crime patterns has vastly improved the effectiveness and efficiency of policing. But when it comes to the obvious logical conclusion—that the number of stores be dramatically reduced—public officials have balked. Putting small businesses out of business is not the American way.

Since the 1980s, this systematic approach has changed the way crime is dealt with in many states. So-called criminogenic places, or hot spots, often have poor lighting, transit stops, abandoned buildings, nightclubs and…liquor outlets. A mass of evidence showing the connection—in terms of both proximity and concentration—between liquor stores and crimes like murder, rape and assault has come from all over: Indiana, Riverside, California, Baltimore’s John Hopkins University, and the environmental think-tank the Pacific Institute, using statistics from New Jersey to Australia, to name a few.

In a study at the University of California/Riverside comparing federal crime data for youths, ages 13 to 24, to a wide range of factors, including the density of liquor (and beer and wine) outlets, in 91 of the biggest US cities, researchers found that a higher concentration of booze businesses was significantly linked to higher rates of homicide. Access to alcohol was right up there with poverty, drugs, guns and gangs. And of all these causes, only liquor stores are even remotely susceptible to direct control. “Our findings suggest that reducing alcohol outlet density should significantly reduce the trends of youth homicide,” said Robert N. Parker, co-author of the UC/Riverside study.

A related study found even more specific factors that further underscore the connection between liquor stores and crime: including more retail outlets that sell single-serve containers of alcohol in their coolers. Even the percentage of cooler space made a difference—the more space for loose Millers, grab-and-go Four Lokos and the like, the more violent crime.
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The Case for Closing Liquor Stores (Original Post) xchrom Feb 2013 OP
That was tried once before. It didn't work out too well. hobbit709 Feb 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author datasuspect Feb 2013 #2
Easy solution 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 #3
Or Michigan. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #5
Having to go to Europe for alcohol is a bit far jberryhill Feb 2013 #7
It's never gonna happen. In_The_Wind Feb 2013 #4
Around my town it seems that drug stores are hit more often than liquor stores. Arkansas Granny Feb 2013 #6
A Mixed Bag Here... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #8
While the history you cite is correct ... surrealAmerican Feb 2013 #11
Thank You For The Update... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #12
There was no such reluctance to close MMJ dispensaries for the very same reason. MindPilot Feb 2013 #9
Make your own. 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #10
Is "attracting crime" the same as "increasing crime"? Silent3 Feb 2013 #13
Yellow fingernails are linked with emphysema Recursion Feb 2013 #14
That's one small business that hasn't gone chain treestar Feb 2013 #15

Response to xchrom (Original post)

Arkansas Granny

(31,525 posts)
6. Around my town it seems that drug stores are hit more often than liquor stores.
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 09:39 AM
Feb 2013

Is that an argument for closing them also?

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
8. A Mixed Bag Here...
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:50 AM
Feb 2013

I can use the example of Evanston, Illinois...the longtime home of the Woman Christian Temperance Union. Until the mid 80s the town was totally dry and today the only liquor sold is by the drink (at restaurants). That didn't stop certain areas from suffering from urban blight...package good stores lined the streets in adjacent towns. Another move to limit liquor stores in some Chicago neighborhoods led to a rise in drunk driving accidents as those who wanted to buy hopped in cars rather than able to walk to a nearby store.

That said...it is depressing to see how many liquor stores and bars proliferate in the poorest and most run down neighborhoods. It's a sign of the desperation...the lack of jobs and other opportunities...especially among teens and young adults...that turn to drinking, drugs and violence. As long as unemployment remains high in these areas so will violence and alcohol abuse. Liquor stores themselves have become sources of government corruption with shakedowns from city inspectors...

surrealAmerican

(11,363 posts)
11. While the history you cite is correct ...
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:13 PM
Feb 2013

... you are mistaken about present-day liquor sales in Evanston. There's a liquor store downtown that has been there for at least 20 years, and alcohol is also sold in supermarkets. There are also a number of bars. There's even a local distillery. Francis Willard would be very disappointed, but there are very few vestiges left of the "dry town" she knew.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
12. Thank You For The Update...
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:22 PM
Feb 2013

...I lived across the canal in the 60s and 70s...when it was still very dry and then recall the battles to change the law. In the early 70s I worked at a company that was at McCormick and Church in Skokie...every morning I'd see people lining up outside the liquor store next door...almost all coming over from Evanston. So while the city was "dry"...the students at Northwestern and many other residents weren't.

Cheers...

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
9. There was no such reluctance to close MMJ dispensaries for the very same reason.
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:57 AM
Feb 2013

"they attract crime".

Silent3

(15,259 posts)
13. Is "attracting crime" the same as "increasing crime"?
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:25 PM
Feb 2013

Would the crime "attracted" by liquor stores be reduced if the liquor stores weren't there, or still be there, but distributed differently geographically?

Even if crime would be reduced in some ways and in some areas, given the mess generated by Prohibition, I have a hard time believing that the "cure" of getting rid of liquor stores wouldn't be worse than the disease it was meant to cure.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. Yellow fingernails are linked with emphysema
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:29 PM
Feb 2013

But de-yellowing a smoker's fingernails won't make the emphysema go away.

There's a market for alcohol in high-crime neighborhoods, but taking away the alcohol won't make the crime stop, IMO. Other things you'll find in high-crime neighborhoods are check cashing stores and chinese carryouts.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
15. That's one small business that hasn't gone chain
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:31 PM
Feb 2013

Though there are some attempts.

There are lots of little liquor stores owned by mom and pop.

One business that doesn't suffer in recessions, either!

No, leave them be! Crime would occur someplace regardless.

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