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garybeck

(9,942 posts)
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:13 AM Feb 2013

Oscar awards make me sick.

Imagine if they had a 3 hour tv show on prime time every year to announce the awards for the people who did the most good in the world -- like feeding the hungry, or discovering cures for diseases. We live in a world where athletes and movie stars get put up on a pedestal with standing ovations, and people who devote their lives to making the world a better place barely get mentioned in the newspaper.

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Oscar awards make me sick. (Original Post) garybeck Feb 2013 OP
This country loves its kings and queens Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #1
Some of the LGBT members on DU might disagree about the "queens" part of your comment TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #44
Say What?? It's Clear "Queens" in this Context Refers to Hollywood Personalities Being Treated... dballance Feb 2013 #48
See post #100. TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #101
Wow OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #71
See post #100. TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #102
The PC handwringer crowd. The reference wasnt about LBGT in the slightest. Wake the hell up. Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #79
See post #100. TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #103
Um...no. HappyMe Feb 2013 #82
See post #100. TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #104
Confused nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #93
See post #100. TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #105
As someone who supports the LGBT community in every possible way, TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #100
Hang in there dude, I am diabetic too, one reason I practice martial arts so much Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #106
It's ok OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #108
Barf your heart out! mia Feb 2013 #2
It must suck to be forced to watch something that you hate. n/t Moses2SandyKoufax Feb 2013 #3
What you said... cliffordu Feb 2013 #4
I'm not watching it. I just can't go to any website without it being in the headlines garybeck Feb 2013 #7
Of course the Oscars will appear in several website headlines. Moses2SandyKoufax Feb 2013 #13
You could read a book and get off your computer. onenote Feb 2013 #17
Who else has a wider audience? mia Feb 2013 #22
Totally agree. go west young man Feb 2013 #35
Poor baby. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #62
It's like a news story or something. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #94
Welcome to my world JustAnotherGen Feb 2013 #98
Agreed. name not needed Feb 2013 #28
Well, there's this--available all year long, not just one night a year. MADem Feb 2013 #5
that's my point. garybeck Feb 2013 #11
but people who get nobel prizes would usually be the types who dont want JI7 Feb 2013 #18
Sure they do. MADem Feb 2013 #23
You are assuming that fame and adulation are rewards when they are in fact annoying bits of Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #73
Why didn't you just bake a cake, then? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #6
what has one got to do with the other ? maybe people who cure disease, feed hungry etc JI7 Feb 2013 #8
NBC and ABC greymattermom Feb 2013 #9
Who the hell is going to watch boring nerdy do-gooders TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #10
I would. n/t garybeck Feb 2013 #12
Then you must have had a rousing time at your city's last Community Service Awards . . . Journeyman Feb 2013 #32
But it wouldn't be nearly as much fun... brooklynite Feb 2013 #70
I understand what you're saying. The entire LibDemAlways Feb 2013 #14
the problem is there are too many award shows JI7 Feb 2013 #16
Do you have any idea how many people are employed by the film industry? Beaverhausen Feb 2013 #25
I'm not putting down people who work in the industry. My husband's LibDemAlways Feb 2013 #36
Oh for fucks sake. Beaverhausen Feb 2013 #38
As a retired h.s. teacher, I find your complaint silly. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #56
Teachers Are Honored Here... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #75
My issue has always been not knowing Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #107
It's a self-licking ice cream cone mwrguy Feb 2013 #15
It's an industry that employs millions, many unionized. Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #19
who are you hoping gets the nobel prizes this year ? what did you think of the medal of honor award JI7 Feb 2013 #20
Then you'd love the Razzie Awards. Initech Feb 2013 #21
Stop questioning the status quo, you damn trouble maker!! RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #24
It doesn't take any bravery to say "Waaaahhhh!" WinkyDink Feb 2013 #57
There's CNN Heroes KingFlorez Feb 2013 #26
+1 grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #41
Right. I was also thinking of that show. n/t RebelOne Feb 2013 #99
you would have a point if the movies that won were frivolous but they weren't CreekDog Feb 2013 #27
I'm sickened by people who post self-righteous "look at me" threads on DU Orrex Feb 2013 #29
Ditto! go west young man Feb 2013 #37
So sorry for your tummy upset Summer Hathaway Feb 2013 #30
One of my PBS xxqqqzme Feb 2013 #31
Well, at least the spectators are not likely to tblue37 Feb 2013 #33
There's a time for reality defacto7 Feb 2013 #34
If it was all about fantasy and 'no reality' there would not be awards for documentary films. Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #74
Thank you very much! defacto7 Feb 2013 #110
over a billion people nvme Feb 2013 #39
You seem to have a low sickness threshold. n/t pnwmom Feb 2013 #40
No kidding. GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #88
Gary you have a choice to not watch madokie Feb 2013 #42
I agree, which is why I don't watch them Skittles Feb 2013 #43
i haven't watched in years. DesertFlower Feb 2013 #45
If you're in the biz you probably know how hard these people work .. YOHABLO Feb 2013 #46
I agree -- IMO it's a ludicrous, pathetic spectacle MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #47
Eat your spinach. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #58
Hollywood employs millions and ALL are union people. GOOD union people. graham4anything Feb 2013 #49
I agree with you the oscars are as much a ridiculous waste of time as sports.... bowens43 Feb 2013 #50
How do they distract? graham4anything Feb 2013 #52
Are you in any way serious? Theatre and sports go back to Ancient Greece, FGS. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #59
Tell me how you think this film, nominated last night, is mindless or meaningles or how it Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #78
They do, it's called the Nobel Prizes. MadHound Feb 2013 #51
'they' = some norwegians. and those prizes are political. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #54
Swedes, but whatever. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #60
actually, the committee = norwegians. and always has. but whatever. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #64
My mistake for skim-Googling. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #68
The Norwegians only choose the Peace Prize - all the rest are chosen by Swedish committees muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #112
Ahem. Obama. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #63
i threw out kissinger because he's a particularly egregious case of a murderer who got a peace HiPointDem Feb 2013 #65
what kind of makes me sick is that you know all their gowns and decor cost millions; also you HiPointDem Feb 2013 #53
Oh, brother. No, the gowns didn't cost "millions." Re: "propaganda"---NS, S. Are you new to movies? WinkyDink Feb 2013 #61
"all their gowns and decor cost millions" = collectively, all the gowns, decor, etc. cost millions. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #67
Ever hear of the Nobel Prize? NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #55
Doesn't CNN have a heroes awards show every year? Personally, it irks me whenever there is Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #66
Is your complaint that we don't honor good works, or we don't do it with production numbers? brooklynite Feb 2013 #69
Were they on? LWolf Feb 2013 #72
Well, poor you. HappyMe Feb 2013 #76
I watch to see the gowns. Whisp Feb 2013 #77
Ignorance kills. Knowledge = Life Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #80
Predictable dialog. Lousy acting. "Comedy" that isn't funny. Forced, contrived "tragedy" BlueStreak Feb 2013 #81
Tell me how these films are a waste Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #83
So you are bent out of shape over an awards show that show cases movies stars Javaman Feb 2013 #84
Pick Up Your Phone, That's Ben Afleck On The Line. Paladin Feb 2013 #85
Well you're not supposed to eat them, silly! demwing Feb 2013 #86
This gum tastes like rubber! Iggo Feb 2013 #111
The goal of curing cancer is to cure cancer. The goal of being famous is to be on awards shows, etc. KurtNYC Feb 2013 #87
Agreed. Apophis Feb 2013 #89
Movies make my world a better place. nt EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #90
Sad. The arts are so endangered and artists dismissed. I suspect you misunderstand. nolabear Feb 2013 #91
Your tv comes with a remote, right? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #92
TV isn't about making the world a better place. It's about making money. slackmaster Feb 2013 #95
America (for a very long time) has been a leader in "entertainment" SoCalDem Feb 2013 #96
Then the cure is not to watch one ever again. MicaelS Feb 2013 #97
Sanctimonious. SpartanDem Feb 2013 #109

TexasTowelie

(112,251 posts)
44. Some of the LGBT members on DU might disagree about the "queens" part of your comment
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 04:43 AM
Feb 2013

since that war continues today.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
48. Say What?? It's Clear "Queens" in this Context Refers to Hollywood Personalities Being Treated...
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 06:49 AM
Feb 2013

treated like royalty. I don't see how you can draw any conclusion from the OP that would bring LGBT people into its meaning or would offend us.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
82. Um...no.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:49 AM
Feb 2013

Sorry, but that wasn't a reference to any member of the LGBT community. Kings and queens in this instance refers to royalty, nothing more.

TexasTowelie

(112,251 posts)
100. As someone who supports the LGBT community in every possible way,
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:53 PM
Feb 2013

I apologize for taking the remark out of context to make a point that hatred still exists towards the LGBT community. In hindsight, it may have been appropriate to include the tag with my post.

I know what it feels like to be the subject of hatred and ridicule since I've been dealing with it virtually every day over the past year or so. I'm currently living with my brother in the home of my deceased father and have been dealing with depression and the ravages of diabetes since I'm having difficulty dealing with the red-tape of trying to obtain my prescription to control neuropathy. In addition, I am also dealing with other changes in my medication regimen such as being switched to a cheaper anti-depressant and returning to insulin injections since I can no longer afford to purchase the second component of the insulin pump (it's an Omnipod and that component costs $38 and lasts for 72 hours).

My unemployment compensation ended at the end of 2012 and my brother has attacked me for not taking any job--even those that earn 25% or less of my previous salary. I used to work as a analyst/programmer for an insurance company and I never worked as a general laborer since I was not physically fit for those vocations. I'm dealing with shortness of breath and chest pains related to keto-acidosis along with light-headedness from blood pressure medications. The only other social services that I qualify for in this screwed-up state are food stamps and I would have to travel nearly 50 miles (one-way) with my psychotic asshole brother who despises me to apply for benefits since I no longer own a vehicle. Up to the time that I became unemployed I was independent and I've tried hard not to burden others with my problems.

DU has been a community where I've found people of similar political philosophy and a sense of belonging. I have no other human contacts in this right-wing town since I wasn't from here originally and don't have the funds to enjoy any social activities. I have to ride the bus nearly 90 miles to Austin to interact with any of my other friends which I haven't done in nearly two months. I drifted into a nocturnal lifestyle while I was a caregiver for my father and haven't been successful changing back to daytime hours since it would mean having to put up with my brother's hatred and abuse for even longer during the day. The only "family" that I have are my cats (one of the two disappeared earlier this month) and the people that I interact with on DU.

Once again, I'll conclude with an apology to anyone that I may have offended since my remarks were not meant to be an attack on anyone else or to be insensitive to others. I'm trying hard to get out of this fucked up situation where I've been subject to verbal and physical abuse while also trying to keep a positive attitude so please cut me some slack.

Thank you,

TexasTowelie

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
106. Hang in there dude, I am diabetic too, one reason I practice martial arts so much
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 03:15 PM
Feb 2013

to maintain fitness. I ended up with a triple bypass after that became a real fanatic for Kendo and Iaido.

If you cant find anything in Texas. I live in New Orleans, be happy to look for stuff for you out here, lots of oil companies here, Cheveron especially. Also try usajobs.com like of govt work available, the sequester is throwing thing into dissarray but it worth a look.

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
7. I'm not watching it. I just can't go to any website without it being in the headlines
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:18 AM
Feb 2013

you'd think someone found a cure for cancer.

Moses2SandyKoufax

(1,290 posts)
13. Of course the Oscars will appear in several website headlines.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:26 AM
Feb 2013

It's an event with an enormous world-wide audience. WTF do you expect?

onenote

(42,714 posts)
17. You could read a book and get off your computer.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:33 AM
Feb 2013

Just a suggestion offered in the spirit of trying to protect your health.

mia

(8,361 posts)
22. Who else has a wider audience?
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:41 AM
Feb 2013

Why belittle the effect of a few celebrities, who can inspire others to also do what they can in their own spheres of influence?
We each do what we can with the gifts that we have at the moment. Tonight it's the turn of the Oscars.

Tonight we celebrate the actors, musicians, cinematographers, producers, directors, etc, etc who care for our world and how it is evolving.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
35. Totally agree.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 03:10 AM
Feb 2013

Top that with the fact that many celebrities do some fantastic charity and humanitarian work. Sean Penn comes to mind, The Redgraves, George Lucas, Brabara Streisand, Meryl Streep, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, and many, many others work to make the world a better place. Here's an excerpt from a Save The Children article to back up the power of celebrity.

Justin Forsyth, the CEO of Save the Children, believes otherwise. “In my experience, the benefits of celebrity are not fabled but real – and can produce very concrete results. Without the campaigning energies of Bono, Bob Geldof and Richard Curtis, for example, I don’t believe 46 million more children would be in school today in some of the world’s poorest countries,” Forsyth countered, remembering the success of the Make Poverty History and Drop the Debt campaigns.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
98. Welcome to my world
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:44 PM
Feb 2013

The night of the Superbowl! Boring! Nothing of value there. But everyone creams their jeans over it. Here's what I do . . .

I go to the movies on Superbowl Sunday evening!

name not needed

(11,660 posts)
28. Agreed.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:13 AM
Feb 2013

There needs to be three hours of prime time devoted to the suffering of people forced to watch TV against their will.

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
11. that's my point.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:24 AM
Feb 2013

nobel prize winners barely get mentioned in the media. oscars get way more press. I think that says something about our society.

i know there are tools to research how much attention various events and issues get in the media and on the internet in general. i'm sure if you compared the oscars to the nobel prize, the oscars would probably get 1000 times more attention, tweets, facebook posts, etc.

I think if they had a TV show for the Nobel prize and they hyped it up like they do the oscars, it would probably get a lot more attention and the people who win would get the recognition they deserve. but there's no money in that so it doesn't happen. the media and the film companies do this to hype their industry. it's a marketing ploy and it works.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
18. but people who get nobel prizes would usually be the types who dont want
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:35 AM
Feb 2013

all the glamour and other stuff which is what attracts the media to the oscars.

the people involved in oscars are directed working in the media so being on tv, giving speeches etc is more natural for them.

why do you assume everyone wants that type of attention ?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. Sure they do.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:45 AM
Feb 2013

And they are mentioned across a wider variety of "media" than Oscar winners are. It helps if someone from the "home country" wins one, certainly--if an American wins, the US papers go crazy, if a Brit wins, the UK papers go nuts, if an Afghan won, they'd be dancing in Kabul--that's just the way it works.

The Oscars are a big deal for the American film industry. It might not be curing cancer, but it does employ a shitload of people--and not just in USA, either. AND....it brings amusement to people, both in overpriced theaters, and for a buck/buck fifty at a REDBOX.

You'll see clips of Oscar winners on the entertainment shows for the next few days, a little bit on the news tomorrow (and that will be that), and you'll see stories in the newspapers (the stupider the paper, the more column inches) and the glossy magazines you see at the grocery check out.

I doubt you'll see any mention of Oscar winners in Scientific American, Cosmos, or International Health News or any of the industrial/technical journals that are published all over the world. But Nobel Prize winners? Sure. They'll get plenty of coverage, and people who understand their achievements and work in those fields will read up on what they did.

I'll bet if the Nobels could get an audience, the networks would air them--it's not like they're averse to profit. But no one is going to sit through those Nobel awards ceremonies. They're in ten different languages, and dull as old dishwater. You would have to PAY me, frankly--tell me who won, if there's a dramatic clip, slap it up on YOUTUBE, pass around the link, and leave it at that.

It has nothing to do with "good works," it has to do with entertainment.

I thought one of entertainment's best Democrats did a fantastic job as host of this year's awards. He kept it moving even though there was a lot to slog through, and it was fun.

I like a little fun--and most people I know like a little fun, too. I don't think it's a sin, really.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
73. You are assuming that fame and adulation are rewards when they are in fact annoying bits of
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:04 AM
Feb 2013

a job description. Nobel Prize includes cash in excess of one million US dollars. If asked at any future date if you would like a million dollars or some 'press' take the million. If you are offered the million and the press and can refuse or accept either, take the money, reject the attention. Although people like to say 'rich and famous' a much better thing is to be rich and unknown.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
8. what has one got to do with the other ? maybe people who cure disease, feed hungry etc
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:18 AM
Feb 2013

don't care to get dressed up for some award show on TV and worry about making a speech and other shit .

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
9. NBC and ABC
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:20 AM
Feb 2013

My daughter was on both nightly news shows as part of Pick Up America when they won the "do gooder" awards. The NBC news crew filmed at my house for 3 days to make a 3 minute segment. They do cover this topic.

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
32. Then you must have had a rousing time at your city's last Community Service Awards . . .
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:25 AM
Feb 2013

You did attend, did you not?

So there you have it. Where would you rather your local heroes receive their accolades, from mindless millions who are interested more in what they wore than in what they accomplished, or from their immediate neighbors, those who truly appreciate what they do and who offer to help whenever asked.

There's where you need to be. Leave the inconsequential to their irrelevancies. You'll be better for it and they wouldn't notice if you were there or not.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
70. But it wouldn't be nearly as much fun...
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:18 AM
Feb 2013

...if you couldn't also complain about the shallowness of the audience watching mindless entertainment for a few hours, would it?

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
14. I understand what you're saying. The entire
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:31 AM
Feb 2013

Hollywood industry is the most self-congratulatory bunch on the planet. But it's been that way for a long time and I don't see it changing. I frequently joke that my husband should be up for "best software," but no one would watch that show for sure. My big objection to the Oscars these days is that whatever class the show once had way back when is long gone. It's gotten crass.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
16. the problem is there are too many award shows
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:33 AM
Feb 2013

and they all seem leading up to the oscars. but the news is just too full of it.

if it was just the oscars it wouldn't seem too bad.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
25. Do you have any idea how many people are employed by the film industry?
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:09 AM
Feb 2013

Thousands. Including me. Thank god.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
36. I'm not putting down people who work in the industry. My husband's
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 03:12 AM
Feb 2013

grandfather was a union painter at Producer's Studio in Hollywood many years ago. His brother-in-law is a special-effects pyrotechnic guy. What I think rightfully grates the original poster is the attention the awards are given. Ordinary working stiffs in most professions are rarely publicly honored, and neither are most of those who toil at the studios. I'm a teacher and I certainly don't see many awards shows dedicated to the work we do - which is every bit as important as acting in front of a camera.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
38. Oh for fucks sake.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 03:20 AM
Feb 2013

If there is one industry that we do well, it's entertainment. I work at a big studio as an exec assistant and I'm proud that we won awards tonight. This town is full of people who's livlihoods depend on this industry. I won't sit by and let people shit on it. Do others deserve accolades? Yes but don't poo poo ours. Jesus.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
75. Teachers Are Honored Here...
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:21 AM
Feb 2013

It's called the Golden Apple Awards:

http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?p=1,28

My children are teachers...their greatest awards are when their students accomplish something new or better than they did yesterday. There's no award or price attached to that...

Cheers...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
107. My issue has always been not knowing
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:56 PM
Feb 2013

the criteria used for judging one actor/film/director better than another...Has that ever been revealed?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
19. It's an industry that employs millions, many unionized.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:36 AM
Feb 2013

CA doesn't really need to apologize for what it chooses to celebrate.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
20. who are you hoping gets the nobel prizes this year ? what did you think of the medal of honor award
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:37 AM
Feb 2013

for Romesha ?

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
26. There's CNN Heroes
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:11 AM
Feb 2013

Every year, a few people from around the world are chosen and given an honor for the good work they do. That aside, most people who do work like that aren't looking for accolades or any sort of attention, they do what they do without fanfare and like it that way. Some even decline awards sometimes, because they don't need an award to validate their work.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
27. you would have a point if the movies that won were frivolous but they weren't
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:12 AM
Feb 2013

they were movies with incredible stories, powerful imagery, artistic awareness and almost all of them some critical story about a historic happening or moment.

it's not like tonight was all about fawning over "She's The One" or "Twilight" or something.

I mean tonight, we had Argo, Lincoln, Life of Pi, even Django.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
29. I'm sickened by people who post self-righteous "look at me" threads on DU
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:14 AM
Feb 2013

Instead of feeding the hungry or discovering cures for diseases.

Where are our priorities, people?

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
33. Well, at least the spectators are not likely to
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:47 AM
Feb 2013

get hit by flying pieces of hot metal like at some other spectator sports.

It is always gonna be bread and circuses--or at least circuses. The Republicans are doing their "Bah! Humbug!" best to make sure that no one gets any bread except themselves and their paymasters.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
34. There's a time for reality
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:59 AM
Feb 2013

and a time for fantasy. Sometimes people just want a little entertainment with no strings attached, no reality in their face... we get the real world a whole lot these days. Call it a "time out" thing.

FYI, I looked over the list of winners tonight and noticed the only movie I saw on that list was Lincoln. I had never even heard of the rest. I use to watch movies all the time... but I don't even know what's out there now. I guess I just spend too much time on phys.org.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
74. If it was all about fantasy and 'no reality' there would not be awards for documentary films.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:20 AM
Feb 2013

But there are. You have not heard of them....but I recommend them all, and here is a guide to the 5 nominees from last night. Not much 'time out' and lots of real world involved.....

Searching for Sugar Man – Malik Bendjelloul and Simon Chinn
5 Broken Cameras – Emad Burnat and Guy Davidi
The Gatekeepers – Dror Moreh, Philippa Kowarsky, and Estelle Fialon
How to Survive a Plague – David France and Howard Gertler
The Invisible War – Kirby Dick and Amy Ziering




http://news.moviefone.com/2013/02/04/best-documentaries-oscars-2013-nominees_n_2617904.html

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
110. Thank you very much!
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 03:37 AM
Feb 2013

I'll look into these. I used to be a real movie buff at one time but I just don't get out much for film these days. I should do that. I like documentary and "out there" stuff which doesn't seem easy to find in Utah except maybe during the Sundance Festival.

nvme

(860 posts)
39. over a billion people
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 03:29 AM
Feb 2013

How can it not be noble and worthy? Everyone of us who watched were removed from the mundane for a little while. The weight of living disappeared for a few seconds. Perhaps a few lives were changed during the process.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
88. No kidding.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:19 AM
Feb 2013

Of all the things over which one would display such angst, this doesn't even hit my radar. It's not like anyone is holding a gun to folks' heads and forcing them to watch.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
42. Gary you have a choice to not watch
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 04:11 AM
Feb 2013

I'm not a tv watcher, when I do I watch the science channel so I never watch the award shows because I don't know what they're talking about so why bother. Thats how I get around that problem you have.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
45. i haven't watched in years.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 04:45 AM
Feb 2013

too much funny bullshit -- people laughing at jokes that aren't funny. and i don't care who's wearing what.

i had a lot of old law & order episodes recorded. that's what i watched.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
46. If you're in the biz you probably know how hard these people work ..
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 05:19 AM
Feb 2013

I enjoyed ''Lincoln'' very much and am planning to see ''Argo''. I would love to see the foreign films .. I wish we had more access to these films made in other countries. We've lost all the movie rental places .. and now the book stores are going away. Very sad. I don't watch the Oscars anymore ... they are getting pretty desperate, it would seem. All this ''glamor'' is too hard to relate to when you are so poor and they make millions for just one movie. The priorities in this country are way out of whack. I know these actors are generous .. some of them, but the price of a ticket to watch them in a movie theater, the way the movies should be seen, is getting way too expensive. (sigh)

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
49. Hollywood employs millions and ALL are union people. GOOD union people.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:01 AM
Feb 2013

and every city in the nation has a movie theatre which employs vast numbers of workers to work there.

And they bring in food to the theatre, which makes the companies that provide the food very happy (most of which are good UNION workers, especially the truck drivers that transport the goods).

And most people that venture out to the movie theatre and pay their money to see it are hard working 99%ers who like to have a little entertainment in their lives with their loved ones.

And having no movies or awards would lead to having nothing to play on all those wide screen tvs.

BTW, watching sports is as trivial as the movies, yet hundreds of millions do.

Including most union people.

People who don't want to watch, can simply turn the dial.AND WATCH TALKING HEADS being paid big money yammer on about politics (and they get their own awards too.)

Books are there to be read (though authors hawk their wares on tv, and love when someone makes a movie out of their book too).


OR watch a tv show, which has the emmy awards.

So many choices in life, one don't need to spend 4 hours watching the Oscars if they don't want.
That is what the remote button is for.
Press off and voila, there is no TV Oscars.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
50. I agree with you the oscars are as much a ridiculous waste of time as sports....
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:17 AM
Feb 2013

anything to distract the people from what is going on in the world around them. Mindless , meaningless drivel.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
52. How do they distract?
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:28 AM
Feb 2013

If you got rid of the millions of jobs Hollywood provides, what would you wish those
UNION workers do with their time while they are sitting around doing nothing?

And you need to multiply the # of jobs just from Hollywood out to every other industry in the world that makes anything that remotely has to do with entertainment, like TV sets.

Without Hollywood and the entertainment industry, there would have been NO Tv entertainment, therefore NO computers.

Computers after all are just mindless entertainment themselves, and not a luxury envisioned for all more than a decade or so ago.

People did quite nice without them for thousands of years.

BTW, that means getting rid of ALL cell phones too. Just mindless drivel people wasting time on Facebook and tweeting and texting.

Birds should tweet, not people.

and Facebook is probably the single biggest dreck history every had, but I don't want to tell people what to do with their time.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
59. Are you in any way serious? Theatre and sports go back to Ancient Greece, FGS.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:59 AM
Feb 2013

And probably way further back than that.

WHY DON'T YOU JUST WHINE ABOUT THE HUMAN CONDITION?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
78. Tell me how you think this film, nominated last night, is mindless or meaningles or how it
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:28 AM
Feb 2013

distracts people from what is going on in the world. It's your assertion, feel free to tell us why this film is such a waste of time:
"The first-ever Palestinian film to be nominated for best Documentary Feature by A.M.P.A.S®, the critically-acclaimed 5 BROKEN CAMERAS is a deeply personal, first-hand account of life and non-violent resistance in Bil’in, a West Bank village surrounded by Israeli settlements. Shot by Palestinian farmer Emad Burnat, who bought his first camera in 2005 to record the birth of his youngest son, Gibreel, the film was co-directed by Burnat and Guy Davidi, an Israeli filmmaker. Structured in chapters around the destruction of each one of Burnat’s cameras, the filmmakers’ collaboration follows one family’s evolution over five years of village upheaval.
http://www.kinolorber.com/5brokencameras/

Now show us why this film is drivel:
"HOW TO SURVIVE A PLAGUE is the story of two coalitions—ACT UP and TAG (Treatment Action Group)—whose activism and innovation turned AIDS from a death sentence into a manageable condition. Despite having no scientific training, these self-made activists infiltrated the pharmaceutical industry and helped identify promising new drugs, moving them from experimental trials to patients in record time. With unfettered access to a treasure trove of never-before-seen archival footage from the 1980s and '90s, filmmaker David France puts the viewer smack in the middle of the controversial actions, the heated meetings, the heartbreaking failures, and the exultant breakthroughs of heroes in the making."
http://surviveaplague.com/synopsis


The Oscar show is by far the largest promotion films like this get, a nomination equates to a wide audience and a win equates to a huge audience. Last night, millions of people around the world heard of these films and the other nominees for the very first time.
But you say they are mindless drivel designed to distract from 'reality'. How so?



http://surviveaplague.com/

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
54. 'they' = some norwegians. and those prizes are political.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:35 AM
Feb 2013

henry kissinger won the 'peace' prize, for godssake.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
64. actually, the committee = norwegians. and always has. but whatever.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 08:09 AM
Feb 2013
Since the first Nobel Prizes were awarded in 1901, the Peace Prize has, in accordance with Alfred Nobel's will, been awarded by a committee of five, appointed by the Storting (the Norwegian Parliamant), but without the committee being formally responsible to the Storting. According to rules laid down by the Storting, election to the committee was to be for a six-year term, and members could be re-elected.

The committee's composition should reflect the relative strengths of the political parties in the Storting, but the committee has elected its own chairman and deputy chairman. It was never required by the rules and on some occasions the matter has been debated, but so far all committee members have been Norwegian nationals.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/articles/committee/

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
112. The Norwegians only choose the Peace Prize - all the rest are chosen by Swedish committees
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:13 AM
Feb 2013
The process of selecting the Nobel Laureates is exclusively handled by the Nobel Prize awarding institutions.

The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences (Nobel Prize in Physics, Nobel Prize in Chemistry and Prize in Economic Sciences)

The Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet (Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine)

The Swedish Academy (Nobel Prize in Literature)

The Norwegian Nobel Committee elected by the Norwegian Parliament (Nobel Peace Prize)

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_organizations/


And only the Peace Prize is 'political', as you dismiss it.
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
65. i threw out kissinger because he's a particularly egregious case of a murderer who got a peace
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 08:10 AM
Feb 2013

prize.

millions of deaths to his credit.

this thread is about the political nature of the nobel prizes, not obama. not everything is about obama.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
53. what kind of makes me sick is that you know all their gowns and decor cost millions; also you
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:30 AM
Feb 2013

know that there's a propaganda aspect to a lot of these films.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
61. Oh, brother. No, the gowns didn't cost "millions." Re: "propaganda"---NS, S. Are you new to movies?
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 08:02 AM
Feb 2013
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
67. "all their gowns and decor cost millions" = collectively, all the gowns, decor, etc. cost millions.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 08:14 AM
Feb 2013

i didn't mean an individual gown cost millions.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
55. Ever hear of the Nobel Prize?
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:36 AM
Feb 2013

Many of those awards get extensive coverage - especially if the recipient's work is especially extraordinary or groundbreaking.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
66. Doesn't CNN have a heroes awards show every year? Personally, it irks me whenever there is
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 08:13 AM
Feb 2013

something light and mindless on TV, or any other event that has no intrinsic value other than
entertainment or humor....you are made to feel like you are hurting mankind by watching it. I want to
say "lighten up"

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
72. Were they on?
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:41 AM
Feb 2013

I didn't realize. I spent a peaceful, quiet evening curled up with a book.

The tv still would have been off if I'd known.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
76. Well, poor you.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:23 AM
Feb 2013

Turn OFF the computer. Read a good book. Depending on your time zone, why not ask an elderly neighbor if they need anything from the store. Go buy some non-perishables to take to your local food pantry.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
77. I watch to see the gowns.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:24 AM
Feb 2013

Some were so very nice. Other than that it doesn't really do anything for me, but I still enjoy it a bit. I haven't seen one of those movies so I can't really get into it and cheer for anyone. Although Life of Pi sure looks good, which I may find the time and trouble to see one day.

One thing we noticed tho, overall it was sort of a tribute to the old days. There was a bit too much looking backward and not enough looking forward but maybe they do that every year and I haven't noticed before.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
81. Predictable dialog. Lousy acting. "Comedy" that isn't funny. Forced, contrived "tragedy"
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:45 AM
Feb 2013

That's basically what 99% of the movies give you, and I have no interest in enduring 150 hours of crap on the chance that I will eventually see 90 minutes that actually represents some talent other than blowing things up.

There are so many other things we could be doing to stimulate our senses and/or do some good with out time here on earth.

What a waste.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
83. Tell me how these films are a waste
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:57 AM
Feb 2013

"HOW TO SURVIVE A PLAGUE is the story of two coalitions—ACT UP and TAG (Treatment Action Group)—whose activism and innovation turned AIDS from a death sentence into a manageable condition. Despite having no scientific training, these self-made activists infiltrated the pharmaceutical industry and helped identify promising new drugs, moving them from experimental trials to patients in record time. With unfettered access to a treasure trove of never-before-seen archival footage from the 1980s and '90s, filmmaker David France puts the viewer smack in the middle of the controversial actions, the heated meetings, the heartbreaking failures, and the exultant breakthroughs of heroes in the making."


http://surviveaplague.com/trailer

"The first-ever Palestinian film to be nominated for best Documentary Feature by A.M.P.A.S®, the critically-acclaimed 5 BROKEN CAMERAS is a deeply personal, first-hand account of life and non-violent resistance in Bil’in, a West Bank village surrounded by Israeli settlements. Shot by Palestinian farmer Emad Burnat, who bought his first camera in 2005 to record the birth of his youngest son, Gibreel, the film was co-directed by Burnat and Guy Davidi, an Israeli filmmaker. Structured in chapters around the destruction of each one of Burnat’s cameras, the filmmakers’ collaboration follows one family’s evolution over five years of village upheaval.
http://www.kinolorber.com/5brokencameras/


I'd say the Oscar show functions to help weed out the crapola and highlight the excellence, offers world wide promotion to films like the nominees above which can not afford to purchase such promotion and help audiences find the gems that should be seen.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
84. So you are bent out of shape over an awards show that show cases movies stars
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:57 AM
Feb 2013

whose profession is being in the media.

Huh, how about that.

That's like saying I hate farmers markets because they showcase vegetables.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
85. Pick Up Your Phone, That's Ben Afleck On The Line.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:59 AM
Feb 2013

He's going to tell you that his movie winning Best Picture is utterly meaningless, because you didn't tune in, last night.....

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
87. The goal of curing cancer is to cure cancer. The goal of being famous is to be on awards shows, etc.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:09 AM
Feb 2013

As individuals, none of us control what is or isn't put on TV. The audience is NOT the customer -- the advertisers are.

A daily onslaught of vapidity and false values designed and tested to make the audience feel inadequate until they buy something; that's what television is and always has been. The 1820s brought us the Industrial Revolution which increased the supply of goods dramatically. Advertising was invented a few decades later to feed industry; the job of television is to manufacture demand (and, as noted by Noam Chomsky, to manufacture consent). It is a bubble that is easily escaped though.

Simply turn it off.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
89. Agreed.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:23 AM
Feb 2013

And making headlines this morning is who wore what to the Oscars. Really? After all the crap that's going on in the world, they focus on fashion?

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
91. Sad. The arts are so endangered and artists dismissed. I suspect you misunderstand.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:55 AM
Feb 2013

The world has always seen artists as over the top and strange, and they (we) are. In part they are just like that and found a creative outlet for the compulsion and in part they, if they're lucky, can make a good Lu ing. But they themselves are a large part of the art, and it is far from easy. It consumes them. So being hailed for doing good work has always been important. And their work gives us ways to think about things in new ways. TED notwithstanding.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
92. Your tv comes with a remote, right?
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 12:11 PM
Feb 2013

What about the on/off switch?

FYI I had a wonderful time watching worst cooks in America. I am with the millions who no longer have an interest in it. I don't watch the Super Bowl either.

Try that.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
96. America (for a very long time) has been a leader in "entertainment"
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:08 PM
Feb 2013

Like it or not, the entertainment industry is a vast thing, employing millions of people..(many/most are union people)

No matter how poor someone is, they can always appreciate a joke, a song, a painting, a movie.

Art has always been with us, from the first cave paintings , to chanting by the fireside.

Humans automatically compare, and choose "the best".

The Oscars are a bit "over-the-top" to be sure, but the people who win...and the people who don't, are for the most part using a LOT of their fame and fortune to shine bright lights on many of the problems we all face as humanity.

Let's let them have their Super Bowl, their Daytona 500, their Indy 500, their Kentucky Derby, their Wimbledon, their March Madness, their Mardi Gras, etc.

The money made in Hollywood may seem outrageous to many, but watch the credits sometime, and look at all the paychecks & family incomes that are attached to every movie... That's not "nothing".

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
97. Then the cure is not to watch one ever again.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:18 PM
Feb 2013

Probably help if you never watched the Golden Globes, People's Choice Awards, etc, etc, etc.

As others have pointed out the American (note that word) Film Industry provides a lot of very good, high paying jobs for American Union members. If the price of those jobs is 3-4 hours a year of self congratulation by the beautiful people, then so be it.

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
109. Sanctimonious.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:47 AM
Feb 2013

1: hypocritically pious or devout <a sanctimonious moralist> <the king's sanctimonious rebuke — G. B. Shaw>

2: Feigning piety or righteousness

3: garybeck

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