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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:48 PM Feb 2013

Congress Keeps Funding Little-Used Airports ($150k for one used mostly as a bathroom)

While federal agencies brace for what might soon be $85 billion in automatic budget cuts, tax dollars are continuing to support tiny airports across the nation, some of which are virtually empty.

There are hundreds of small airports that receive federal funding, with at least 80 that are vacant of planes and passengers, according to The Washington Post.

One example is Lake Murray State Park Airport in Oklahoma, recipient of $150,000 annually from Washington. The airport consists of a field with no landing lights, no electricity, no control tower, and no people to operate it. There is, on average, one landing and takeoff a week, and often is used by passing private planes whose pilots need to use the bathroom.

“This is a direct gift from your congressman and senators,” Victor Bird, director of the Oklahoma Aeronautics Commission, which handles the money the government allots for Lake Murray, told the Post. “Everybody’s going to get something here, and we’re going to take some.”

http://www.allgov.com/news/where-is-the-money-going/congress-keeps-funding-little-used-airports-130227?news=847199

Airport Operational Statistics
Aircraft operations: 100/year *
100% transient general aviation
* for 12-month period ending 13 November 2009

http://www.airnav.com/airport/1F1

Oklahoma Aeronautics Commission votes against closing Lake Murray State Park Airport

Despite requests by the state Tourism Department and their own director, who recommended voting to close, the commission unanimously voted against moving forward to shutter the airport.

Oklahoma Aeronautics Commissioners prolonged the life of Lake Murray State Park Airport in Ardmore on Thursday despite the request of the state Tourism and Recreation Department — and the commission's own director — to close the rarely used airstrip.

The commission considered asking the Federal Aviation Administration to close the facility, which is adjacent to Lake Murray Lodge and Lake Murray Golf Course. The Aeronautics Commission and Tourism Department are joint sponsors of the site.

But after debating the airport's viability and usefulness, commissioners voted 6-0 against closing it — going against commission Director Victor Bird's recommendation.

Their concerns included giving up the ability to accept $150,000 in federal money each year, in the form of non-primary entitlement funds, that can be transferred to other airports. Roughly $1 million has been received since 2001, not including $600,000 in the bank that probably will be transferred next year.

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-aeronautics-commission-votes-against-closing-lake-murray-state-park-airport/article/3693864

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Congress Keeps Funding Little-Used Airports ($150k for one used mostly as a bathroom) (Original Post) The Straight Story Feb 2013 OP
Sorry, but I don't find that outrageous to maintaining a way station for small aircraft. Cleita Feb 2013 #1
They are only keeping it for the money (nt) The Straight Story Feb 2013 #2
So? eom Cleita Feb 2013 #3
We pay $10,000+/plane that lands there The Straight Story Feb 2013 #8
So? We aren't in an economy that can keep cutting government jobs and Cleita Feb 2013 #10
But that airport does not employ anyone, it sits alone in a field The Straight Story Feb 2013 #11
I'm sure they contract people for maintenance. You have to or those toilets would be Cleita Feb 2013 #12
From my understanding, and I will double check, the park dept people handle it The Straight Story Feb 2013 #14
The Park Department people don't do it for free. They will charge for service. n/t Cleita Feb 2013 #16
I would hope so, and that is what I was thinking when you brought it up The Straight Story Feb 2013 #17
If they are as cheap as some of the campgrounds I've worked at, users of the loo Cleita Feb 2013 #18
Reminds me of that one time, in band camp.... The Straight Story Feb 2013 #19
One man's waste is another man's job Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #7
I don't find that nearly as outrageous as the billions companies get in free subsidies. Initech Feb 2013 #4
Interesting. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #5
I don't understand why Obama doesn't call out some of this waste in red states JPZenger Feb 2013 #6
In this case it is not so easy, there is a contract: The Straight Story Feb 2013 #9
Solution; Start charging the pilots $5 to use the restroom there. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #13
We would need a cop to write down their plate numbers if they didn't pay though The Straight Story Feb 2013 #15

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. Sorry, but I don't find that outrageous to maintaining a way station for small aircraft.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:51 PM
Feb 2013

I mean no one objects to rest stops on highways. Someone has to clean those restrooms and maintain the runway so I'm sure someone benefits from that airport.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
8. We pay $10,000+/plane that lands there
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:03 PM
Feb 2013

We pay 150,000 a year for 12 planes to land there per/yr when there are other places in the area they could be landing.

Maybe that sounds like a deal to you but not me, and that money does not go for that airport, it goes to other ones.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. So? We aren't in an economy that can keep cutting government jobs and
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:05 PM
Feb 2013

services. We need to increase them to keep people employed until the private sector improves in offering good jobs. Anything else is supply side, austerity economics that aren't working to keep nations solvent.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
11. But that airport does not employ anyone, it sits alone in a field
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:09 PM
Feb 2013

And there is one 6 miles away:

"With Ardmore Downtown Executive Airport just six miles from Lake Murray State Park Airport, Bird says the airstrip sees five to ten landings a month during peak season, and sometimes no landings at all during low season. Bird says it's more important for the OAC to invest FAA funds on airports with more traffic."
"

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
12. I'm sure they contract people for maintenance. You have to or those toilets would be
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:13 PM
Feb 2013

very undesirable if they didn't. That means someone has a job to clean up. Runways have to be maintained too. I worked at a campground as a host that was adjacent to a small airstrip. I don't know who funded it but it was maintained. My job was to shoo campers off of the airstrip.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
14. From my understanding, and I will double check, the park dept people handle it
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:19 PM
Feb 2013

and won't be out of a job since most the funding for the airport is sent elsewhere.

And I agree with you about wanting to keep jobs

"In 2008, for instance, the government gave Oklahoma $150,000 to make improvements at Lake Murray. The state spent about $5,500 of that on Lake Murray. The rest went to a build a terminal at a busier airport in Duncan.

And that turned out to be a good year for Lake Murray. Since then, it hasn't seen a dime. "

and:

"That's because of a bill Congress passed in 2000 that created a new "entitlement" program for small airports. The rules: If a field was on the FAA's official airports list, and if it had sufficient need for infrastructure improvements, there would be money. Up to $150,000, every year.

The money was paid out of a "trust fund" filled by taxes on airline tickets and airplane fuel.

On Capitol Hill, this looked like a master stroke of pork politics, engineered by then-House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Bud Shuster, R-Pa. His measure carpet-bombed congressional districts with money. In the Senate, the bill won by 65 votes. In the House, it won by 218. (Shuster retired in 2001. He did not return a call for comment about the legislation).

http://www.adn.com/2013/02/26/2803070/tiny-barely-used-airports-refuel.html

Basically - yes, jobs are created since there is money given and spent, but not for that airport (and since they have not spent a dime on it in years most likely the park handles the bathroom since it is on their land).

This could be changed so the airports that need that money get it, the park can close that one down and expand like they want to bring in more tourists, which will raise more money for the park and create jobs there as well.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
17. I would hope so, and that is what I was thinking when you brought it up
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:24 PM
Feb 2013

But since not a dime has been spent from that money on the airport in year...who pays for the toilet paper?

Or do they use any....

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
18. If they are as cheap as some of the campgrounds I've worked at, users of the loo
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:26 PM
Feb 2013

are sometimes required to bring their own. I have seen campers use all kinds of weird stuff off the ground, even pine needles. OUCH!

Initech

(100,079 posts)
4. I don't find that nearly as outrageous as the billions companies get in free subsidies.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:58 PM
Feb 2013

And those companies already rake in billions in profit every year. If ended those, downsized our bloated defense budget, and taxed the rich and religious institutions, we could balance the budget in five years.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. Interesting.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:58 PM
Feb 2013

The commission wants to keep it open for monetary reasons, and the Tourism Department wants to use it as an entrance to a country club. It is a war between 1%ers.

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
6. I don't understand why Obama doesn't call out some of this waste in red states
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:01 PM
Feb 2013

I don't understand why Obama doesn't publicly push to get rid of some of the federal spending waste in red states. Let's see some of the teabaggers in Congress try to defend some of the wasteful federal spending on sugar price supports, rural airports, etc. as well as mining leases and other leases of federal land that are way below market value.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
9. In this case it is not so easy, there is a contract:
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:04 PM
Feb 2013

In addition, the airport has accepted nearly $184,000 in grants from the FAA since 2002, after agreeing to keep the airport open for at least 20 years. The most recent was in 2007. If the contract terms aren't met, it's likely the grant money would have to be repaid.

The FAA, on July 16, asked the commission to delay action while the agency conducts an 18-month study of general aviation airports across the nation.

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