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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 04:18 PM Mar 2013

Ships to sail directly over the north pole by 2050, scientists say


The dramatic reduction in late summer sea ice has already made
it possible for some ships to travel across the north of Russia.


Ships should be able to sail directly over the north pole by the middle of this century, considerably reducing the costs of trade between Europe and China but posing new economic, strategic and environmental challenges for governments, according to scientists. The dramatic reduction in the thickness and extent of late summer sea ice that has taken place in each of the last seven years has already made it possible for some ice-strengthened ships to travel across the north of Russia via the "northern sea route". Last year a total of 46 ships made the trans-Arctic passage, mostly escorted at considerable cost by Russian icebreakers.

But by 2050, say Laurence C. Smith and Scott R. Stephenson at the University of California in the journal PNAS on Monday, ordinary vessels should be able to travel easily along the northern sea route, and moderately ice-strengthened ships should be able to take the shortest possible route between the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, passing over the pole itself. The easiest time would be in September, when annual sea ice cover in the Arctic Ocean is at its lowest extent.

"The emergence of a … corridor directly over the north pole indicates that sea ice will become sufficiently thin such that a critical technical threshold is surpassed, and the shortest great circle route thus becomes feasible, for ships with moderate ice-breaking capability," says the paper.

"The prospect of common open water ships, which comprise the vast majority of the global fleet, entering the Arctic Ocean in late summer, and even its remote central basin by moderately ice-strengthened vessels heightens the urgency for a mandatory International Maritime Organisation regulatory framework to ensure adequate environmental protections, vessel safety standards, and search-and-rescue capability," it adds.


Projected Arctic shipping routes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/04/ships-sail-north-pole-2050

What type of mental gymnastics will it take for corporations to benefit from reduced shipping costs by using newly melted Arctic Sea routes while at the same time professing the climate change is a myth? I am sure they have people working on a 'Fox News-spin' that will explain it."
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Ships to sail directly over the north pole by 2050, scientists say (Original Post) pampango Mar 2013 OP
If there is any land mass for ships to dock they will. Lint Head Mar 2013 #1
I am pretty sure there is no land mass, just floating ice. cbayer Mar 2013 #3
They wouldn't need to dock muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #15
Maybe further than that if ice shelfs melt and flood the coasts. Lint Head Mar 2013 #16
So sad Politicalboi Mar 2013 #2
a lot of folks don't care because they will be dead hollysmom Mar 2013 #4
Huh? abelenkpe Mar 2013 #5
yes, you do, others I know just don't hollysmom Mar 2013 #9
"A society is great when old men (and women) plant trees in whose shade they will never rest." pampango Mar 2013 #6
Yes, that phenomenon bothers me a lot Kolesar Mar 2013 #8
This is terrifying. n/t Earth_First Mar 2013 #7
I'm just waiting ... lpbk2713 Mar 2013 #10
Global warming denial is such bullshit. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #11
The December 24th issue of the New Yorker had an excellent article... DreamGypsy Mar 2013 #12
Maybe, but you can't extrapolate the last couple decades directly FarCenter Mar 2013 #13
Because it's all about money, money, money derby378 Mar 2013 #14
The map is backward and I don't think the polar bears will like it even if it was correctly oriented talkingmime Mar 2013 #17
Dawg! ananda Mar 2013 #18
I cry for polar bears...which will go extinct. Auntie Bush Mar 2013 #19

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. I am pretty sure there is no land mass, just floating ice.
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 04:28 PM
Mar 2013

Unlike Antarctica, where there is significant land mass.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,370 posts)
15. They wouldn't need to dock
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 07:06 PM
Mar 2013

Straight across the pole, from one side of the Arctic Circle to the other, is about 3,300 miles - about the same as a transatlantic voyage. Add on the distance at either end to get from, say, Japan to the Netherlands, and it's probably about the same as a trans-Pacific voyage.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
2. So sad
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 04:25 PM
Mar 2013

And they have a bright side.

"Considerably reducing the costs of trade between Europe and China but posing new economic, strategic and environmental challenges for governments, according to scientists".

Well at least it things at Walmart will still be cheap in 37 years. Who knows, maybe even cheaper.

You would think having the ice breakers would only make things worse for the ice, I say get them the hell out of there.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
4. a lot of folks don't care because they will be dead
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 04:28 PM
Mar 2013

I am always shocked about how so many family people don't worry about future generations. Yet, single people without kids like me, do.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
9. yes, you do, others I know just don't
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 04:48 PM
Mar 2013

If you review republican policies, it is like we will only live one more week, the future be damned.

I talk to one person, who is a loving generous person, but never realizes what we do affects the future planet. She just does not grasp the future that way, she proudly is a tea partier.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
6. "A society is great when old men (and women) plant trees in whose shade they will never rest."
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 04:38 PM
Mar 2013

Some posted this earlier today and your post reminded me of it.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
8. Yes, that phenomenon bothers me a lot
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 04:47 PM
Mar 2013

I think it is because people are biased to think there will never be great change. Having Michigan getting the climate of South Carolina is just something they can't get their minds around.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
10. I'm just waiting ...
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 04:51 PM
Mar 2013



It's inevitable. The other side will no doubt call this a major plus for the cruise ship business.


Tick ... tick ... tick ...


DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
12. The December 24th issue of the New Yorker had an excellent article...
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 05:02 PM
Mar 2013

...about a voyage from Murmansk to China last July by the North Sea Route, through the ice of the Arctic and down the Bering Strait.



The caption on the (other half) of the photo says:

"By the middle of this century, it may be possible to traverse the North Pole in a canoe."


The article was a good read - I highly recommend it.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
13. Maybe, but you can't extrapolate the last couple decades directly
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 05:13 PM
Mar 2013

The minimum extent of Arctic Sea Ice in September has been declining fairly linearly.

But the remaining sea ice is over the Arctic Ocean's abyssal plain, while in September it is open a few hundred miles north of Russia and Siberia. The open area is over the Siberian continental shelf, which likewise extends hundreds of miles north.

It's not clear whether sea ice will disappear as quickly north of Alaska, Canada and Greenland, where the continental shelf is much narrower and the ocean is much deeper.

In a decade or so we will know whether the ice will disappear over the deep water as well.

Note that the March ice extent is quite extensive and there is no possibility that the Arctic Ocean will not be frozen over most of the year.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
14. Because it's all about money, money, money
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 05:14 PM
Mar 2013

Screw the polar bears. Hang the Gulf Stream. We want our money, and we want it now.

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