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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 02:16 PM Jan 2012

No transplant for dying dad who is illegal immigrant

http://www.mercurynews.com/census/ci_19856536

Without a new kidney, Jesus Navarro will die.

The Oakland man has a willing donor and private insurance to pay for the transplant. But he faces what may be an insurmountable hurdle in the race to save his life: He is an illegal immigrant.

Administrators at UC San Francisco Medical Center are refusing to transplant a kidney from Navarro's wife, saying there is no guarantee he will receive adequate follow-up care, given his uncertain status....

But proponents of tougher border enforcement -- and those fighting to contain ballooning health care costs -- fear that providing such services could lure more undocumented immigrants.


Srsly? They're worried about hordes of kidney patients lugging their dialysis machines thorugh the scorching desert to reach the Land of Milk and Transplants?

Oh yes, "adequate follow-up care" is the same line of crap a hospital in Philadelphia used to deny a transplant to a girl who has Down syndrome.
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No transplant for dying dad who is illegal immigrant (Original Post) KamaAina Jan 2012 OP
Im about a nanosecond from an insane rant. nt DocMac Jan 2012 #1
... xchrom Jan 2012 #2
Got to love this "Christian Nation" GoCubsGo Jan 2012 #3
This is definitely inconsistent Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #5
Both UCLA and UCSF are part of the UC system KamaAina Jan 2012 #7
Do they have an alternate recipient? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #4
I seriously doubt his wife will want to give a kidney to someone else DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #11
since they appear to be both Mexican citizens Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #12
No. That would make no sense whatsover to a compassionate person. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #13
why not save two people instead of one? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #15
Why do I get the distinct sense that you're not about saving anyone? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #20
why do I get the sense that you won't Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #21
Not sure. Maybe you're not good at this sort of thing DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #23
His wife is a match and wants to donate. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #24
I don't wish for him to be dead just because people like you call him "illegal" DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #25
I don't believe I ever used that term. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #26
I lost any sort of argument you were making at this point... ellisonz Jan 2012 #30
Because putting a mortally ill man through the stress of international travel EFerrari Jan 2012 #27
so better to tell the others on the list Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #28
Step away from the straw man. The others on the list have nothing to do with this. EFerrari Jan 2012 #32
what straw? you know either term has specific Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #35
Nope. We're talking about UCSF making a political, not medical, decision. EFerrari Jan 2012 #36
they made their decision before the wife Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #37
The next guy on the list has nothing to do with this. EFerrari Jan 2012 #38
after he was denied Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #41
And there's no guarantee for the legal residents either. Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #6
"the hospital's worried more about its transplant success rate than patient care" redqueen Jan 2012 #22
Yet, they would allow patients from other countries to have a transplant operation. LiberalFighter Jan 2012 #8
I do not believe you can get on the transplant Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #9
Wrong. REP Jan 2012 #14
this supports my point Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #16
Not really - that ONE program was shut down REP Jan 2012 #18
please cite the other programs continuing the Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #19
"proponents of tougher border enforcement" ... aren't they usually the zbdent Jan 2012 #10
sad. Hope public pressure gets him the transplant. Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #17
@UCSF on Twitter. They are very image conscious. n/t EFerrari Jan 2012 #33
Thanks. Tweeted DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #39
LOL. EFerrari Jan 2012 #40
Shameful. ellisonz Jan 2012 #29
Omg, i screwed up and read the comments. EFerrari Jan 2012 #31
Makes you proud to live in the liberal Bay Area, doesn't it? KamaAina Jan 2012 #42
quick call sarah palin--on other DEATH PANNEL dembotoz Jan 2012 #34
50,000+ Sign Petition For Undocumented Immigrant To Receive Kidney Transplant pampango Feb 2012 #43
 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
5. This is definitely inconsistent
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 02:53 PM
Jan 2012

"In one high-profile case, UCLA Medical Center gave an undocumented woman three liver transplants before she turned 21. "

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
7. Both UCLA and UCSF are part of the UC system
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 03:00 PM
Jan 2012

but each is independently managed. Not sure if the system has a policy ergarding this.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
4. Do they have an alternate recipient?
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 02:50 PM
Jan 2012

If not, what is the point?

If there is another match who has been waiting then it makes more sense.

Also apparently his wife is also here illegally. "I started crying and crying and crying," said his wife, who asked that her name be withheld because she is also in the country illegally."

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
11. I seriously doubt his wife will want to give a kidney to someone else
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 03:36 PM
Jan 2012

if her husband is refused the procedure.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
12. since they appear to be both Mexican citizens
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jan 2012

Wouldn't it make sense to go there and have the procedure done under their healthcare system?

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
15. why not save two people instead of one?
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 04:12 PM
Jan 2012

His wife is a match. she wants to donate to him. They are covered by Mexico's healthcare program. The procedure could be done there and the next person on the list could get the other organ.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
23. Not sure. Maybe you're not good at this sort of thing
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jan 2012

Now, let's get down to business. Who do you know in Mexico that can get this man to the top of the kidney transplant list, as he is here in the US, where he's been waiting for years, working (with health insurance). If you can't get this man on the top of the list, you're wasting time. He's dying. It means more to his family than making some point on a discussion board. Send him to Mexico, and he dies. Got any other bright ideas, or can we just go with compassion?

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
24. His wife is a match and wants to donate.
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 04:47 PM
Jan 2012

He does not have to be at the top of any list for that.

Try again.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
25. I don't wish for him to be dead just because people like you call him "illegal"
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 04:51 PM
Jan 2012

It's that compassion thing I mentioned. We're done here.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
26. I don't believe I ever used that term.
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 04:59 PM
Jan 2012

I just want two people to be alive instead of one. I am not as interested in some sort of agenda.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
27. Because putting a mortally ill man through the stress of international travel
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 05:10 PM
Jan 2012

and the gratuitous uprooting of his family is contra indicated for the success of his surgery? Ya think?

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
28. so better to tell the others on the list
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 05:15 PM
Jan 2012

They are out of luck?

He and his wife will still have the stress of deportation up to and beyond the procedure.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
32. Step away from the straw man. The others on the list have nothing to do with this.
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 05:28 PM
Jan 2012

And you are anticipating an outcome that hasn't been determined yet, aren't you?

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
35. what straw? you know either term has specific
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 05:37 PM
Jan 2012

Meaning right? If we are talking about the original organ than it has a waiting list. If we are talking about his wife's organ, than he can stay and be deported prior to or after the procedure. that applies also to his wife. Seems like that would be the greatest stress. Do you disagree? Not to mention the crushing financial cost n which would not be an issue in Mexico.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
37. they made their decision before the wife
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jan 2012

Came forward. I feel for this guy, but also feel for the next guy on the list.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
41. after he was denied
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jan 2012

Which is puzzling. I guess she wasn't tested initially due to her fearing they'd find out about her immigration status. Also worth noting that he is no longer employed so that must also be causing a lot if stress.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
6. And there's no guarantee for the legal residents either.
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 02:56 PM
Jan 2012

More to the point though, this guy has made it to the top of the list, isn't taking an organ from a patient deemed a better risk by the administrators, and he has private health insurance. He's been on dialysis for eight years already.

IMHO the hospital's worried more about its transplant success rate than patient care.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
22. "the hospital's worried more about its transplant success rate than patient care"
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 04:29 PM
Jan 2012

That's how it seems to me as well.

They aren't practicing medicine. They're practicing profitability.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
8. Yet, they would allow patients from other countries to have a transplant operation.
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 03:04 PM
Jan 2012

Right? Especially if they have the cash.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
10. "proponents of tougher border enforcement" ... aren't they usually the
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jan 2012

same people that say (at least only when it comes to ABORTION, not in anything else) "life is sacred"?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
39. Thanks. Tweeted
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jan 2012

(Tweeted just doesn't have that ring of finality, that puncuation that you feel with a word like 'finished!').

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
42. Makes you proud to live in the liberal Bay Area, doesn't it?
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 07:08 PM
Jan 2012


Of course, one of the worst offenders is from Ohio. Life in his mom's basement must be awfully boring if he has nothing better to do than make comments on the Merc!

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
34. quick call sarah palin--on other DEATH PANNEL
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 05:29 PM
Jan 2012

where is newt
where is mitts
where is frothy
where is ron paul

pampango

(24,692 posts)
43. 50,000+ Sign Petition For Undocumented Immigrant To Receive Kidney Transplant
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 12:31 PM
Feb 2012

In less than a week, more than 54,000 people have signed a Change.org petition to push the UC San Francisco Medical Center to allow an undocumented immigrant to have a kidney transplant.

ThinkProgress wrote last week about how administrators at the medical center denied Jesus Navarro’s procedure, even though his wife offered her own kidney and he will die without the procedure. “UCSF hospital has told Jesus that the only reason he would not be able to get a transplant is becuase of his immigration status,” writes Donald Kagan, who started the petition on February 2. “As I see it, this is a matter of life and death.”

The petition calls on hospital officials to allow the transplant and “do the right thing.” Sign the petition here.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/02/07/420771/petition-allow-kidney-transplant/

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