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alp227

(32,046 posts)
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:07 AM Mar 2013

high schooler who disarmed another student suspended for non cooperation with police

In reading the original heated thread about the story I noticed some speculation the suspension was due to misguided "zero tolerance" policy. However I was just watching The Young Turks covering the story, video below, and learned the boy was suspended for...not cooperating with police!



TYT cites a huffington article that cites a local TV station that reported:

What started as a fight between (Quadryle) Davis and another football player escalated. Deputies say Davis pulled out a gun.

...

He (the intended victim) tells us other students came to his rescue, wrestling the gun from Davis. He's upset and so are parents.

He believes the students who saved him are in trouble for no reason.

According to the district here's what they did wrong. They didn't tell deputies the truth about what happened on board that bus late Tuesday afternoon and they refused to cooperate.

The mother showed us the letter she got. It outlines what exactly led to her son's three-day suspension.

"My son did what he had to do," she said.

She admits he might not have been forthcoming because he was afraid of what could happen to him, his family and his friend who stared down the barrel of a gun.

"It's just how we were born and raised. We don't snitch," she said.


So it looks like the victim and some other boys were trying to prevent their football player videos from getting in trouble?
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high schooler who disarmed another student suspended for non cooperation with police (Original Post) alp227 Mar 2013 OP
I have worked in education a long time dsc Mar 2013 #1
"duty that we don't put on adults."? alp227 Mar 2013 #6
they said refuse to cooperate dsc Mar 2013 #16
Article says " They didn't tell deputies the truth about what happened on board that bus" n/t alp227 Mar 2013 #17
that doesn't mean they lied dsc Mar 2013 #18
They did not lie. You can't lie by remaining silent. eom ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #19
It is a crime to give police false or misleading material statements hack89 Mar 2013 #9
The first lesson of every school administrator TomClash Mar 2013 #2
well we certainly cant have students obeying school administrators- that would led to order leftyohiolib Mar 2013 #3
I must have been misinformed TomClash Mar 2013 #5
LOL- Yes, learning with no rules. Marrah_G Mar 2013 #11
You've got that right! TomClash Mar 2013 #15
Momma's lesson to her son was to lie to anyone in authority. Marrah_G Mar 2013 #10
How old are these kids? The police can't question minors without parental consent. tclambert Mar 2013 #4
Then the school should have suspended the parents ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #7
Only if the minor is accused of a crime. Doesn't usually apply to witnesses. hack89 Mar 2013 #12
Well Momma, if you teach your child to lie.... Marrah_G Mar 2013 #8
Kudos to him for defending himself... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #13
If a 3-day suspension is the price of "non-cooperation" with police, then it's well worth it. bemildred Mar 2013 #14

dsc

(52,166 posts)
1. I have worked in education a long time
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:35 AM
Mar 2013

and have to say I find this reason for the suspension worse than the other one. The other one at least had the notion that violence can't be tolerated. But this is putting on school children a duty that we don't put on adults. I have to say if they did this to my kid they would be speaking to a lawyer the very next day.

alp227

(32,046 posts)
6. "duty that we don't put on adults."?
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:12 AM
Mar 2013

Actually, adults do face criminal penalties for lying to police.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
16. they said refuse to cooperate
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:18 PM
Mar 2013

not lie. To me refuse to cooperate means they refused to answer not lying.

alp227

(32,046 posts)
17. Article says " They didn't tell deputies the truth about what happened on board that bus" n/t
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:18 PM
Mar 2013

dsc

(52,166 posts)
18. that doesn't mean they lied
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:40 PM
Mar 2013

they may have refused to answer which is what refusing to cooperate means.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
9. It is a crime to give police false or misleading material statements
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:25 AM
Mar 2013

especially if it could impede or misdirect an official investigation.

Suspension is appropriate.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
3. well we certainly cant have students obeying school administrators- that would led to order
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:28 AM
Mar 2013

and cooperation and stuff that has no place in school

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
10. Momma's lesson to her son was to lie to anyone in authority.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:26 AM
Mar 2013

Her son's suspension is her own fault and she should STFU and stop whining about it. She should be proud that he "didn't snitch".

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
4. How old are these kids? The police can't question minors without parental consent.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:37 AM
Mar 2013

And if they want to lawyer up, how the hell does a school official get to deny them their rights?

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
7. Then the school should have suspended the parents
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:07 AM
Mar 2013


Over reach by schools is common. They tried it with us. It did not end well for the primary staff member.

In this case, the students were claiming fear of off campus consequences.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. Only if the minor is accused of a crime. Doesn't usually apply to witnesses.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:30 AM
Mar 2013

I am sure Florida is one such state

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
8. Well Momma, if you teach your child to lie....
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:24 AM
Mar 2013

... then you should shut up and deal with the consequences of your lessons.

Congrats to another idiot parent!

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
13. Kudos to him for defending himself...
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:31 AM
Mar 2013

But what a fucking moronic family that is for their "anti-snitch" policy.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. If a 3-day suspension is the price of "non-cooperation" with police, then it's well worth it.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:40 AM
Mar 2013

"Anything you say can and will be used against you."

If the cops want better cooperation, they need to do something about that adversarial attitude.

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