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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo the Druken Irishman....
Really? So a couple of Douchebags say you support priest molestation because you are Catholic and that has you heading to the hills.
No self respecting Druken Irishman that I know, including myself, would cut and run over comments made by some some anonymous keyboard knuckleheads.
Dude...if I quit every time someone insulted me here on DU, Earl would have to build a group just to handle my resignation posts.
Buck up Man, drink a pint or two, celebrate St. Patrick, and then get your ass back here.
trumad
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Taverner
(55,476 posts)I have no love of the Catholic Church, but the Church isn't a democracy, so I find it hard to blame Catholics...
trof
(54,256 posts)No, wait...
What'd I say?
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)what people are doing is challenging Catholics to say - please, show your support for women and homosexuals by doing something to send a message to the church powers-that-be in a way that others, outside of the church, can see.
Of course, I haven't read all the various threads, so I could be wrong.
On the other hand, at least one person here thought it was perfectly acceptable to label anyone who had anything to say against the church "fascists." More than one person. And not one person choose to dispute this claim (well, I did, after a while, just waiting to see if anyone else would say... that's not accurate) - so it goes both ways.
hlthe2b
(102,341 posts)THEM for the sins of the church...
Like this post, for instance (which is not an anomaly)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2520819
It is truly ugly and hardly a "progressive" philosophy. I am not religious, but I hope someone takes me to task if I ever become so militantly hostile to those who are.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)And I think that's what's causing so much turmoil - because the people who see that know they are well intentioned in their personal lives and they do care - so it's hurtful to on those grounds.
If both sides weren't devoted to the idea of social justice, the back and forth wouldn't have nearly the power that it does.
I had my moment - but it was about one person and his statement - but I framed what was being said in the terms that I think both sides are feeling. When I was labeled a fascist, the gloves were off - because you can't claim one side is trolling while the other gets a pass, especially on your own thread.
A lot of people who are most vehemently and vocally against religious this or that are also people who have endured abuse of various kinds from people who claim the mantle of religion for their actions and words. Not all of them, but more than a few. On a board like this, people are going to come across all sorts of other beliefs and questions about the same.
A lot of times I respond to people in the way they present themselves. If they start out with insults and name calling, they can expect the same. It's not because I think this is the only way to respond.
But I know it's best to take the higher ground.
None of us, I would guess, does this all the time.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 17, 2013, 06:23 PM - Edit history (1)
hlthe2b
(102,341 posts)Shame on the ugly intolerant faction on DU that is promoting this. It is contemptible (and so are THEY).
olddots
(10,237 posts)Sexual abusers come in all shapes and sizes. To help stop sexual abuse we have to dig deeper to come up with solutions .I was sexually abused and its frustrating ,confusing and hard to be in the here and now without going off on people who don't deserve it.
hlthe2b
(102,341 posts)I am very sorry for your experience and hope you know many will understand if you need to vent.
As to those who are doing this (blaming Catholic DUers for the horrendous actions of the Vatican and its hierarchy), in all honesty, I think it is more their total and absolute hostility towards all things religious- driving them. I'm sure they join me and all Duers in horror towards the pedophilia issues and coverup, but I honestly think that is NOT what is driving this behavior.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)that he didn't even post in the thread. It seems to be a stretch of logic to say that the post was directed towards him.
hlthe2b
(102,341 posts)Only Drunken Irishman can say which of the ugly posts affected him personally.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)I did not ask "where there were examples of this directed towards DU Catholics".
hlthe2b
(102,341 posts)directed towards him... Even if that ugly post doesn't offend YOU, it surely does many others (including non-Catholic and non-religious DUers as myself).
Paladin
(28,271 posts)Leslie Valley
(310 posts)Squinch
(50,992 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)You can't run from them all and you shouldn't.
nolabear
(41,990 posts)People are going to get more and more dumb and less and less interesting the longer this kind of rule by mob continues. I keep hanging in, but I'm less sure than ever why.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I hate being intimidated...and my natural instincts (be they right or wrong) is to defy them...
No one is going to run me off of my play ground unless it is the cop.
nolabear
(41,990 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Using Ignore and Trash (several things) separates the trash from the treasures.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)I say jury them out of sight. We wouldn't have had Democratic majority this past election without Catholics of all stripes.
SunSeeker
(51,658 posts)hlthe2b
(102,341 posts)respect.
Drunken Irishman should know that there are plenty of DUers who are actively supporting Catholic Duers against this onslaught of ugliness.
hunter
(38,325 posts)It may have been beer talking too, but that I don't remember.
Nevertheless, I'm still here and he's long gone.
When they throw me out of a Catholic Church for my heresies -- promoting birth control, supporting gay marriage, married and women priests, not tithing, expressing my anger at pedophile priests or the people who covered up for them, and otherwise speaking my mind -- I'll let everyone here know. But it hasn't happened yet.
It might be a crazy dream, but I think I have a better chance changing my Church, the Democratic Party, or the USA itself from within rather than without.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)I'm totally with you on this and have been doing this for some time now.
We're going to different schools together.
Skittles
(153,174 posts)lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)I voted on a jury to leave a post that thoroughly offended the language police around here. I was accused of promoting and supporting rape, and called every name in the book, not to mention that I should be banned for life. I was literally swarmed by people calling me things more offensive than the post I voted to let stand. Nasty group. Never went back to Meta again, and my affectionate feelings for DU never quite returned to those I previously had held.
You are one of my favorite posters, DI. Please don't let them run you off.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Closing meta is just one of the MANY reasons!!!
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)since I logged on, I didn't even realize that until yesterday. It was a good move, for sure! Too bad so much damage had occurred.
that is exactly what needed to be said.
spanone
(135,859 posts)The knuckleheads haven't managed to drive me out of here and I can't even drink to forget about them for a few hours.
The irredeemable knuckleheads just get put on ignore until they're PPRed, something that usually follows pretty quickly.
As for our "responsibility" for the illegal invasion of Iraq and the priests who raped altar boys, I don't recall being consulted at all on either subject. If I had been, I'd have said NO to both.
BainsBane
(53,054 posts)There is a considerable amount of hatred toward Catholics here. I completely understand how he and WilliamPitt feel.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)...not just towards Catholic members. Some people just seem love to hate. Their comments sometimes astound me. They just make up reasons to hatefully attack a totally innocent comment. Either they are trolls, whose mission is to divide and conquer, or they're just disgruntled about something that has gone on in their personal lives that we know nothing about, or they just totally misunderstood what someone said. Another problem is that as Democrats, we have a tendency to not alert on personal attacks, since we are staunch believers in free speech. And if one does alert on a personal attack hater, the jurors turn out to be a majority of free speech sticklers, allowing the hateful post to stand, which gives the hater power to live another day to continue the hate. Maybe hate speech should be considered the same as calling "FIRE" in a crowded theater? Personally, when I run up on a hate argument slug-fest, I do not pass go, I do not rec. I immediately back out of the thread and let them go at it. I'm one of those who support free speech, so I don't alert very much. Am I as guilty as the hate posters? Catch-22.
TommyCelt
(838 posts)On conservative/right-wing message boards, they accuse DU'ers and our ilk as monsters/idiots/commies who hate our country. Remove "commie" and insert "fascist" ands you've a pretty good sampling of what DU'ers think about conservatives.
The Church is an anomaly in that the official teachings condemn abortion and the gay lifestyle, yet touts preferential treatment for the poor and social justice. If you're a conservative OR liberal Catholic (I am the latter), a thick skin is required. I've only been on DU a short time. but am no stranger to message boards. We say some outlandish shit on occasion to people we would never...ever...say to a person's face (yeah, bullshit you know you wouldn't either in a lot of cases). Par for the course and can be attributed to the relative distance and anonymity of the internet.
From everything that's been said, as a Catholic (but sober) Irishman, I hope DI comes back.
BainsBane
(53,054 posts)of anti-Catholic sentiment on DU but probably the most vitriolic. DrunkIrishman and WilliamPitt are LONG-standing members. They have had to maintain a thick skin to remain here, but this last round of attacks was a bridge too far.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... I just wish we could figure out a way to become more civil.
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)DrunkenIrishWoman.
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)We get to keep the ugly people who drove DI away and lose one of the best guys on this board. Hope he returns.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)union_maid
(3,502 posts)Totally agree. Not Catholic, not religious, but I sure appreciated Drunken Irishman.
morningglory
(2,336 posts)Granny M
(1,395 posts)I like your posts. Ignore the haters.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Not calling the OP a "fool" BTW...
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Drew Richards
(1,558 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Cheers!
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)we need you!
marble falls
(57,157 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)When I wrote that I was opposed to the use of drones, either here or abroad, I was accused of being a libertarian and a Rand Paul supporter.
When I wrote that I was opposed to the dismissal of torture investigations/war crime prosecutions, I was accused of being a Romney supporter and wanting Romney to be President.
Whenever I voiced my disapproval of undemocratic actions committed by President Obama, i was accused of being a basher, of being a right-winger, of being a hater.
One of those people doing the accusing was Drunken Irishman, and now he's gone.
Oh, well. Buh bye!
RVN VET
(492 posts)But that's not the case. The men (!) who run the Church and raped children and/or covered up the raping of children have been exposed as the vile excremental moral lepers they are. The Church, when officially declaiming on the subject, has never condoned the murdering of the souls of children. So those Catholics who remain affiliated with the faith are not supportive of an institution that promulgates the crime and, I'm sure, are hopeful that time and continued public exposure and censure will bring about a purge of the Roman clergy, and a cleansing of its soul.
I'm not one of those who stuck around. Even while a Catholic, I never felt the love for the idea of a catholic church, nor for the idea of the Catholic church that its members seem still to feel. (Although I have to say that the Church of Rome has lost 10's if not 100's of millions of its faithful over the last 30 years, partly because of child rape, partly because of its loathing of sexuality, and to a smaller part because of its domination by males who have no interest in sharing the power of the priesthood with women.)
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Welcome to the internet!
The ignore feature works well! Problem solved!
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)perhaps just sticking to one wold be the best solution here, its causes enough problems on its own.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)michigandem58
(1,044 posts)He'd have just done it.
Now you're just playing a part in the unfolding drama. Over/under on the return date?
Sorry, I hate this kind of crap.
840high
(17,196 posts)of time.
trumad
(41,692 posts)You would have just trashed the thread.
See how that works?