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Tom Clements was not shot in Colorado. He was assassinated. (Original Post) DonRedwood Mar 2013 OP
Perhaps the form of assassination is important...hence focusing on the word "shot". Sheepshank Mar 2013 #1
In countries were guns are not or were not avail, other objects/ weapons were used to assasinate. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #2
"I don't supposrt (Sic) the NRA, but" <--There's always a "but" with our "pro gun progressives"... apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #11
Yes, because absurd posts such as the one i replied to make the gun control debate impossible. nt darkangel218 Mar 2013 #13
But, but, they wanted to have an "adult conversation" .... oldhippie Mar 2013 #19
Yeah, I don't "support" the NRA, I just always agree with them! Moses2SandyKoufax Mar 2013 #15
LOL! Yup - that pretty much sums it up. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #18
Probably had someones child locked in a concrete tomb for ten years sorefeet Mar 2013 #3
Well then, kiva Mar 2013 #4
Or a powerful Saudi national that imprisoned hired help as virtual sex slaves Brother Buzz Mar 2013 #5
This is as baseless as the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #10
This guy was actually reforming the prison system, making things not quite so harsh. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #16
Solitary should never be used. And, closing prisons usually just increases overcrowding morningfog Mar 2013 #38
Infantile hyperbole guardian Mar 2013 #6
Yah, no kidding. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #14
That's part of their ..... oldhippie Mar 2013 #20
Ok RZM Mar 2013 #7
The correct answer is no, we don't. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #17
Who is Tom Clements? Bake Mar 2013 #8
Colorado dept. of Corrections official. Not sure how high on the ladder he stood. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #9
Top man Crepuscular Mar 2013 #12
Betcha it is gang related somehow. guardian Mar 2013 #21
You are right , he was assassinated for supporting Gov Hickenlooper's gun ban , no question ! Ret Fed warden Mar 2013 #22
Posts like this are why I don't trust the gun control crowd... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #23
Well that's a piss poor rationalization. bluedigger Mar 2013 #24
Actually, I do have a lot of pro-gun Democrats on my ballots. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #28
B/c you believe they should be murdered ? Like the other Tea party guys ? Ret Fed warden Mar 2013 #33
Pro-gun Republican vs. anti-gun Democrat. Who do you vote for? 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2013 #34
Simple: I don't. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #35
In A 2008 DU Gungeon Poll: Paladin Mar 2013 #40
If that's all you got.... There are literally hundreds of reasons I don't trust the gun wackos. morningfog Mar 2013 #39
Speculation is that it was a hit ordered by the prison white supremacist gangs. bluedigger Mar 2013 #25
Why do you think they killed Hickenloopers friend and used his closest friends son to do it ? Ret Fed warden Mar 2013 #26
That makes as much sense as most of what I read... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #30
The qualityof OPs sure go down when it's not election season snooper2 Mar 2013 #27
You would think that with 2 gun control groups... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #36
Here watch this video , clearly they were sending Hickenlooper a message. Proof this was punishment Ret Fed warden Mar 2013 #29
Political assassination has become popular in the US Hekate Mar 2013 #31
At 2:48 of the 7 news vid I posted they said shooter Evan Ebel was hickenloopers long time friend Ret Fed warden Mar 2013 #32
They think this guy also.. sendero Mar 2013 #37
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
1. Perhaps the form of assassination is important...hence focusing on the word "shot".
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 10:52 AM
Mar 2013

piano wire, poison, knife, blew up a car, etc?..."How" he was assassinated is a big part of the message

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
2. In countries were guns are not or were not avail, other objects/ weapons were used to assasinate.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 10:55 AM
Mar 2013

I don't supposrt the NRA, but why equate them with an assassin organization? It's not fair.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
19. But, but, they wanted to have an "adult conversation" ....
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:45 PM
Mar 2013

... about gun control. Don't you remember?

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
3. Probably had someones child locked in a concrete tomb for ten years
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:05 AM
Mar 2013

Torture, inhumane conditions, we do things to humans that are criminal to do to an animal. I don't care what their crime is, you don't justify it by locking them in a tomb for 23 hours a day until they go insane. Any warden who allows this treatment in their prison should be charged with crimes against humanity. It's not like this is a new thing and they have never done studies about the treatment. Death is preferred over solitary confinement, what does that tell you.
Probably going to be more until they end the prison lobby that bribes our politicians for tougher laws on Americas citizens for profit and profit only. And America knows that some people ARE above the law in this country.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
4. Well then,
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:08 AM
Mar 2013

thank goodness someone shot and killed him! That will solve everything, all of those innocent children will be free now

Brother Buzz

(36,440 posts)
5. Or a powerful Saudi national that imprisoned hired help as virtual sex slaves
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:16 AM
Mar 2013

Homaidan al-Turki, don't pack your bags.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
10. This is as baseless as the OP.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:10 PM
Mar 2013

Even assuming that everything you say is as you say it on what basis do you connect the victim with your allegation let alone that it was in anyway justified?

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
16. This guy was actually reforming the prison system, making things not quite so harsh.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 07:44 PM
Mar 2013

He shut down a couple of prisons, including one that was used for extended solitary confinements, and reformed the use of solitary confinement in Colorado.

He pushed reducing felony drug sentences, improving treatment programs, creating more humane conditions in prisons.

Sources:
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_22834189/colorado-prison-chief-tom-clements-pushed-reforms-before
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22830756/family-clements-was-good-family-man-against-death

If I were to don my own tinfoil hat ( ) I'd say that it was the prison-industrial complex that whacked him - his reforms were bad for business.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
38. Solitary should never be used. And, closing prisons usually just increases overcrowding
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 07:51 AM
Mar 2013

and decreases conditions.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
17. The correct answer is no, we don't.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 07:45 PM
Mar 2013

It's a bit early to assign motives in this case. For all we know, the culprit may have simply been a tweaker pissed off about a prison sentence from blowing his house up cooking meth.

 

guardian

(2,282 posts)
21. Betcha it is gang related somehow.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 09:44 PM
Mar 2013

Probably some prison gang was pissed at him and ordered him killed.

Ret Fed warden

(5 posts)
22. You are right , he was assassinated for supporting Gov Hickenlooper's gun ban , no question !
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:05 AM
Mar 2013

Here is the question to ask, how did the white supremacist get the head of a states DOC, address? It is not listed and cannot be looked up. You cannot search for it on the internet, and you cannot find unless you have access to the states computer (CICJIS) is the only database with that kind of information. Does the 211 gang have access to it, apparently so! How did they get that access? If an Officer or administrator had run that search it would be retrievable. If no search was run then it was an entity that already had Clements address, a very few entities. I am not going to lay bare my suspicions here but I can tell you that there are two private prisons with that information. One of those is a very large contributor to the American Legislative Exchange Council, a group of businessmen interested in getting around unions for their industries. Prison labor does this very well and very cheaply, ALEC is interested in many causes. They are interested in stopping gun control for instance a few pieces of evidence are noted below. Why are they interested in promoting gun rights? Because their biggest donors and gatekeepers for their other anti-union donors are private prisons, The 211 crew could have done the hit sure, but why? Because this gang along with others have been straw purchasing guns for cartels and other groups, but who gave them the address? If you research what I told you will soon see that only one group had the means and the motive!

(McIntire, Mike (April 21, 2012). "Conservative Nonprofit Acts as a Stealth Business Lobbyist". The New York Times. Retrieved May 15, 2012.) ( Greeley, Brendan (May 3, 2012). "ALEC's Secrets Revealed; Corporations Flee". Businessweek. Bloomberg. Retrieved June 2, 2012.) (Kraft, Michael E.; Kamieniecki, Sheldon (2007). Business and environmental policy : corporate interests in the American political system. Cambridge, Mass.: MIT Press. p. 276. ISBN 978-0-262-61218-0. "American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) provide[s] direct assistance to state legislators and firms eager to minimize any state government engagement in environmental protection. ALEC's membership base includes nearly one-third of all sitting state legislators and most of its resources are derived from corporations and trade associations. It offers regular conferences and training sessions but is perhaps best known for drafting model legislation that can easily be adopted by an individual state and introduced into a legislature.&quot

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
23. Posts like this are why I don't trust the gun control crowd...
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:23 AM
Mar 2013

and why I don't vote for anti-gun politicians.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
24. Well that's a piss poor rationalization.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:32 AM
Mar 2013

You have lot of pro gun Dems on your ballots, or are you just lost?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
28. Actually, I do have a lot of pro-gun Democrats on my ballots.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:39 AM
Mar 2013

DU is not the Democratic party at large. No, I'm not lost, and your post is insulting.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
40. In A 2008 DU Gungeon Poll:
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 08:30 AM
Mar 2013

45% of the respondents said they would vote Republican in such circumstances. Another 3% said they wouldn't vote at all.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
25. Speculation is that it was a hit ordered by the prison white supremacist gangs.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:35 AM
Mar 2013

Clements had ordered a lot of them transferred to different facilities recently in order to break them up. The shooter was a known associate of them.

Ret Fed warden

(5 posts)
26. Why do you think they killed Hickenloopers friend and used his closest friends son to do it ?
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:36 AM
Mar 2013

Alec wanted to punish him for passing gun control ! That is why !

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
36. You would think that with 2 gun control groups...
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:58 AM
Mar 2013

One for open debate on the Second Amendment, the other for unchallenged propagandizing for gun control/bans, this "NRA, NRA, NRA!" Obsession has ample outlets.

But no. It's like corn sweetener: It finds its way into everything.

Hekate

(90,705 posts)
31. Political assassination has become popular in the US
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:43 AM
Mar 2013

Last time I said that someone challenged me to provide an example and I said, "Gabby Giffords." What the hell does anyone think that was if not an assassination attempt that left her alive but mutilated?

You are right, Don.

Ret Fed warden

(5 posts)
32. At 2:48 of the 7 news vid I posted they said shooter Evan Ebel was hickenloopers long time friend
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:51 AM
Mar 2013

At 2:48 of the 7 news vid I posted they said shooter Evan Ebel was hickenloopers long time friend Jack Ebel's son . Hickenlooper knew also ! This is clear because he talks about Evan Ebel before they had shot and killed the suspect ! Hickenlooper knew it was a hit and by who ! Now you do also ! What are you gonna do to get the truth out ?

sendero

(28,552 posts)
37. They think this guy also..
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 06:19 AM
Mar 2013

... killed a Kaufman county (TX) prosecutor in a outside-courtroom ambush a few weeks ago. At least that is a speculation. And at the time of his murder there was a strong suspicion of white supremacist gang involvement.

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