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rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:20 AM Apr 2013

BREAKING....Colo. prosecutors seeking death penalty for Holmes NO APRIL FOOLS


http://news.yahoo.com/colo-prosecutors-seeking-death-penalty-holmes-150747045.html


CENTENNIAL, Colo. (AP) — Prosecutors want James Holmes executed for last year's attack on an Aurora movie theater.

They announced their intention to seek the death penalty against Holmes in court on Monday.

Last week prosecutors said they rejected an offer from Holmes' attorney to have him plead guilty to avoid the death penalty. Prosecutors said the offer to have Holmes spend life in prison wasn't a serious attempt at plea bargaining.
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BREAKING....Colo. prosecutors seeking death penalty for Holmes NO APRIL FOOLS (Original Post) rsmith6621 Apr 2013 OP
by the way yahoo, it wasn't an attack on the theater, it was an attack on the people inside the niyad Apr 2013 #1
Isnt a Theater..... PEOPLE rsmith6621 Apr 2013 #2
I am completely opposed to the DP for people with kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #3
I live in Colorado, in fact, just 3 miles directly west from the shooting. Tender to the Bone Apr 2013 #4
"No appeals. No nothing. Just take it like a man." redqueen Apr 2013 #5
Anyone who has seen him pipi_k Apr 2013 #6
Once convicted, he'll have 10 years or so of appeals to show that. randome Apr 2013 #15
We don't know that he hasn't shown remorse. He hasn't exactly been doing the talkshow circuit. politicat Apr 2013 #10
100% positively agree OriginalGeek Apr 2013 #16
I can go along with that. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #7
The DP is a complicated issue for me... I'm usually against it... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #8
He's toast. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #9
As easy as it would be to say, 'Fry this bastard' ....... marmar Apr 2013 #11
Death penalty is a cop out. It excuses someone from doing their punishment. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #12
I am against the death penalty in all cases, including this one. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #13
I say give him life in prison and force him to be a guinea pig for psychological research. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #14
Fry his ass...n/t monmouth3 Apr 2013 #17
This is horrible. Raine1967 Apr 2013 #18
sort of off the subject, but that wouldn't be a very good april fools joke anyway. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #19
This way, prosecutors get access to his medical records librechik Apr 2013 #20

niyad

(113,344 posts)
1. by the way yahoo, it wasn't an attack on the theater, it was an attack on the people inside the
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:25 AM
Apr 2013

theater.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
3. I am completely opposed to the DP for people with
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:33 AM
Apr 2013

untreated or poorly treated schizophrenia.

This is just wrong.

 
4. I live in Colorado, in fact, just 3 miles directly west from the shooting.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:34 AM
Apr 2013

I approve of what the prosecutors are doing. This kind of massacre has made me think that death penalty, while I oppose, is very appropriate here. Holmes has shown no remorse and deserves the capital punishment.

No appeals. No nothing. Just take it like a man.


redqueen

(115,103 posts)
5. "No appeals. No nothing. Just take it like a man."
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:38 AM
Apr 2013

Your understanding of the justice system is thorough and nuanced.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
6. Anyone who has seen him
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:46 AM
Apr 2013

can tell that he's not "all there".

He's not all there because he likely has some mental or physiological disorder that prevents him from feeling empathy or whatever people want him to display.

So basically the government is looking to execute someone who is disabled.

I can't say that I have a firm opinion one way or the other on the DP issue. I understand the need people have for revenge. Or "justice". I also understand that it's barbaric to execute people for doing horrible things because they are very sick.

It's not easy to be black or white on this issue.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. Once convicted, he'll have 10 years or so of appeals to show that.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:13 PM
Apr 2013

If he can't show it now, I doubt he can show it later.

I'm against the death penalty, too, but I'm not going to protest on his behalf, either.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
10. We don't know that he hasn't shown remorse. He hasn't exactly been doing the talkshow circuit.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:56 AM
Apr 2013

My department works extremely closely with CU neuroscience, so also, very close relationships with the community. We're shrinks and other sorts of head candlers, so we have real skin in this.

He has not been tried. He has been following 5th amendment advice of council - keep quiet until trial. He has the right to not incriminate himself further in advance of trial. These rules apply to everyone.

I don't think the death penalty helps. If our goal as a society through our system of justice is to restore order and learn how to stop these murders before they start, then death penalty doesn't serve the purpose. Judicial vengeance doesn't do anybody any good.

From the neuro-science and criminal psych standpoint, we have a rare instance in Holmes -- a mass shooter who is still alive. I don't want him coddled, but if this was my universe to order to my will, I'd want him to spend the rest of his life under a microscope and in an fMRI.

We can't bring back the dead, but maybe we can find the markers to stop the next one.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
16. 100% positively agree
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:23 PM
Apr 2013

Death penalty satisfies lust for vengeance but does nothing to deter future crime. Even if it's a slim chance, at least a slim chance of discovering something that might reduce future crime is worth the expense of (still lees than capital punishment I presume) keeping guys like this alive and studying them.

Killing the guy only guarantees no chance.

We have him. He is no longer a threat to society. There's no need to kill him. There's every reason in the world to study him.

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
8. The DP is a complicated issue for me... I'm usually against it...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:53 AM
Apr 2013

But I won't be losing any sleep over this one.

My heart doesn't bleed for mass murderers, no matter how many "disability" cards are played.

marmar

(77,081 posts)
11. As easy as it would be to say, 'Fry this bastard' .......
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:56 AM
Apr 2013

...... I oppose the death penalty, without equivocations. ...... A society does not become better by doing what it purports to hold in contempt.


 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
12. Death penalty is a cop out. It excuses someone from doing their punishment.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:56 AM
Apr 2013

They are not sitting in the afterlife feeling awful about what they did or being punished, their punishment has ended.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
13. I am against the death penalty in all cases, including this one.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:58 AM
Apr 2013

Perhaps the jury will vote for life imprisonment over death, if they are given that opportunity.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
14. I say give him life in prison and force him to be a guinea pig for psychological research.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:11 PM
Apr 2013

Let's learn what makes psycho killers tick.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
18. This is horrible.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:34 PM
Apr 2013

This guy was a danger before the state got him the medical care he needed to understand the crime he committed while a danger -- and as thus they could prosecute him.

They medicated him enough to get him to a point where he can now die? That is fucked up.


The Model Penal Code http://www.slate.com/sidebars/2006/07/sidebar_3.html as defined by the American Law institute is "A person is not responsible for criminal conduct if at the time of such conduct as a result of mental disease or defect he lacks substantial capacity either to appreciate the criminality of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of the law." in 2006, Arizona, Delaware, Georgia, Louisiana, and Ohio all block defendants from using this defense.

I'm saddened that Colorado is taking this action.


HEre is something else about people like James Holmes, and I think it is worth reading:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/08/aurora_shooting_how_to_prevent_men_like_james_holmes_from_striking_again.html

Here’s what will happen next: Holmes will be diagnosed with a form of delusional psychosis like schizophrenia, or perhaps with suicidal depression. He will be medicated until he comes out of the weird daze he’s been in during court appearances. Eventually, after the medication takes effect, he will be found competent to stand trial: The hurdle is low, so he just has to be able to understand the charges against him and be able to consult rationally with his lawyer. If the drugs have in fact made Holmes saner, he may plead guilty to avoid the death penalty. He’ll go away for life. And we’ll be no closer than we were before to fixing the holes in the mental health care system that he fell through—taking his victims with him.
(snip)

I have to point out that it’s very rare for mentally ill people to become deranged killers. According to the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law (disclosure: It’s named in memory of my grandfather), studies show that having a mental illness in itself doesn’t increase the likelihood of becoming seriously violent. Untreated mental illness, however, is a risk factor. And so it is terribly scary, as well as terribly sad, that “America’s mental health care system is horribly broken and horribly underfunded,” as Robert Bernstein, director of the Bazelon Center, underscored after the Arizona shootings.

Serious mental illness can be incredibly hard to live with and to deal with. But these shootings keep telling us that we sweep it under the rug at our own peril. After a massacre like Aurora, it’s very hard to see the killer as worthy of any sort of sympathy. "They keep talking about fairness for him," a man whose sister died in the Aurora shootings told the Associated Press at Holmes’ court appearance this week. "It's like they're babying this dude." It’s an understandable reaction, but if Holmes’ lawyers are right and he is seriously ill, he won’t be coddled by the legal system. He’ll get the treatment he needed, but far too late.


Did we seriously medicate the guy only to kill him?

librechik

(30,674 posts)
20. This way, prosecutors get access to his medical records
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:38 PM
Apr 2013

If he pleads guilty, they're probably sealed forever.

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