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http://news.yahoo.com/colo-prosecutors-seeking-death-penalty-holmes-150747045.html
CENTENNIAL, Colo. (AP) Prosecutors want James Holmes executed for last year's attack on an Aurora movie theater.
They announced their intention to seek the death penalty against Holmes in court on Monday.
Last week prosecutors said they rejected an offer from Holmes' attorney to have him plead guilty to avoid the death penalty. Prosecutors said the offer to have Holmes spend life in prison wasn't a serious attempt at plea bargaining.
niyad
(113,344 posts)theater.
rsmith6621
(6,942 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)untreated or poorly treated schizophrenia.
This is just wrong.
Tender to the Bone
(93 posts)I approve of what the prosecutors are doing. This kind of massacre has made me think that death penalty, while I oppose, is very appropriate here. Holmes has shown no remorse and deserves the capital punishment.
No appeals. No nothing. Just take it like a man.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Your understanding of the justice system is thorough and nuanced.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)can tell that he's not "all there".
He's not all there because he likely has some mental or physiological disorder that prevents him from feeling empathy or whatever people want him to display.
So basically the government is looking to execute someone who is disabled.
I can't say that I have a firm opinion one way or the other on the DP issue. I understand the need people have for revenge. Or "justice". I also understand that it's barbaric to execute people for doing horrible things because they are very sick.
It's not easy to be black or white on this issue.
randome
(34,845 posts)If he can't show it now, I doubt he can show it later.
I'm against the death penalty, too, but I'm not going to protest on his behalf, either.
politicat
(9,808 posts)My department works extremely closely with CU neuroscience, so also, very close relationships with the community. We're shrinks and other sorts of head candlers, so we have real skin in this.
He has not been tried. He has been following 5th amendment advice of council - keep quiet until trial. He has the right to not incriminate himself further in advance of trial. These rules apply to everyone.
I don't think the death penalty helps. If our goal as a society through our system of justice is to restore order and learn how to stop these murders before they start, then death penalty doesn't serve the purpose. Judicial vengeance doesn't do anybody any good.
From the neuro-science and criminal psych standpoint, we have a rare instance in Holmes -- a mass shooter who is still alive. I don't want him coddled, but if this was my universe to order to my will, I'd want him to spend the rest of his life under a microscope and in an fMRI.
We can't bring back the dead, but maybe we can find the markers to stop the next one.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)Death penalty satisfies lust for vengeance but does nothing to deter future crime. Even if it's a slim chance, at least a slim chance of discovering something that might reduce future crime is worth the expense of (still lees than capital punishment I presume) keeping guys like this alive and studying them.
Killing the guy only guarantees no chance.
We have him. He is no longer a threat to society. There's no need to kill him. There's every reason in the world to study him.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)But I won't be losing any sleep over this one.
My heart doesn't bleed for mass murderers, no matter how many "disability" cards are played.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)marmar
(77,081 posts)...... I oppose the death penalty, without equivocations. ...... A society does not become better by doing what it purports to hold in contempt.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)They are not sitting in the afterlife feeling awful about what they did or being punished, their punishment has ended.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Perhaps the jury will vote for life imprisonment over death, if they are given that opportunity.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Let's learn what makes psycho killers tick.
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)This guy was a danger before the state got him the medical care he needed to understand the crime he committed while a danger -- and as thus they could prosecute him.
They medicated him enough to get him to a point where he can now die? That is fucked up.
The Model Penal Code http://www.slate.com/sidebars/2006/07/sidebar_3.html as defined by the American Law institute is "A person is not responsible for criminal conduct if at the time of such conduct as a result of mental disease or defect he lacks substantial capacity either to appreciate the criminality of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of the law." in 2006, Arizona, Delaware, Georgia, Louisiana, and Ohio all block defendants from using this defense.
I'm saddened that Colorado is taking this action.
HEre is something else about people like James Holmes, and I think it is worth reading:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/08/aurora_shooting_how_to_prevent_men_like_james_holmes_from_striking_again.html
(snip)
I have to point out that its very rare for mentally ill people to become deranged killers. According to the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law (disclosure: Its named in memory of my grandfather), studies show that having a mental illness in itself doesnt increase the likelihood of becoming seriously violent. Untreated mental illness, however, is a risk factor. And so it is terribly scary, as well as terribly sad, that Americas mental health care system is horribly broken and horribly underfunded, as Robert Bernstein, director of the Bazelon Center, underscored after the Arizona shootings.
Serious mental illness can be incredibly hard to live with and to deal with. But these shootings keep telling us that we sweep it under the rug at our own peril. After a massacre like Aurora, its very hard to see the killer as worthy of any sort of sympathy. "They keep talking about fairness for him," a man whose sister died in the Aurora shootings told the Associated Press at Holmes court appearance this week. "It's like they're babying this dude." Its an understandable reaction, but if Holmes lawyers are right and he is seriously ill, he wont be coddled by the legal system. Hell get the treatment he needed, but far too late.
Did we seriously medicate the guy only to kill him?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)If he pleads guilty, they're probably sealed forever.