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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:57 AM Feb 2012

Anonymous Hacks Neo-Nazis, Finds Ron Paul

The hacktivist collective Anonymous set out to take down the white supremacist American Third Party (A3P) in what they called “Operation Blitzkrieg” but they may have done much more.

In a document dump that includes private forum messages, emails, organization notes another other information the group found numerous connections between Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and A3P. According to the documents, all hosted here, Paul himself regularly met with many A3P members, engaged in conference calls with their board of directors and engaged in a “bridging tactic” between A3P and the Ron Paul Revolution.

Other excerpts show A3P webmaster Jamie Kelso (whose email account was one hacked by the collective) coordinating meeting between Paul and other members of A3P such as corporate lawyer and chairman of the neo-Nazi group Paul. “I’m going to go to the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) with Bill Johnson,” reads an email to an A3P member dated January 2011. “Bill and I will be meeting with Ron and Ran Paul. I have a teleconference call with Bill (and Ron Paul) tonight. Much more later. Things are starting to happen (thanks to folks like you).”

In another passage, Kelso, a former Scientologist and account owner of other German Nazi forums, wrote: “I’ll be at CPAC from Feb. 9 to Feb. 12. I’ll send back reports to you from personal meetings with Ron Paul, newly-elected Senator Rand Paul and many others. It’ll be here on WhiteNewsNow, a place that is really starting to get interesting because of the presence of folks like y



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Anonymous Hacks Neo-Nazis, Finds Ron Paul (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Feb 2012 OP
I'm shocked I tell you.... Shocked! Ichingcarpenter Feb 2012 #1
"Patron Saint of White Teenage Tumbler LOLBertarian males" Number23 Feb 2012 #18
I'd like to say I am surpised, but I am not. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #2
How Ron Paul used racist newsletters to wipe out debts, get rich Ichingcarpenter Feb 2012 #3
oops. nt Confusious Feb 2012 #4
Nazi-Gate... HipChick Feb 2012 #5
Ron's gonna find this awkward! backscatter712 Feb 2012 #6
No he won't. And the media will just brush this off as will his "progressive followers." nanabugg Feb 2012 #10
Why is this not getting wider coverage? jsmirman Feb 2012 #7
great question; I guaranty you, if it were a "Pinko Liberal" fascisthunter Feb 2012 #11
It doesn't matter if it gets no coverage at all. It will provoke a massive house cleaning Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #16
Maybe because he has no chance of winning, anyway. nt Incitatus Feb 2012 #23
I'm worried about the Paul-Romney alliance jsmirman Feb 2012 #26
Here is the pastebin link! ingac70 Feb 2012 #8
You should start a thead with this. Swede Feb 2012 #14
Unsurprising. joshcryer Feb 2012 #17
Wonder if the folks here that have been subtly and non-subtly touting Ron's virtues Number23 Feb 2012 #19
Doubtful. joshcryer Feb 2012 #20
I think you nailed it Number23 Feb 2012 #30
How about the folks who haven't been doing anything of the sort jsmirman Feb 2012 #27
Have you ever heard the expression "if the shoe don't fit, don't wear it?" Number23 Feb 2012 #29
I don't know what's more pathetic jsmirman Feb 2012 #31
I have no idea who you are Number23 Feb 2012 #32
No Way!!!! fascisthunter Feb 2012 #9
Did he know those people were affiliated with that org? I guess so... Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #12
Good on you, Anonymous! nt gateley Feb 2012 #13
I Sense Popcorn brewing on the Anonymous message boards. ^___^ Only one suitable pic for this: Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #15
Barack Obama thanked Christian Dominionists for inviting him to speak. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #21
Oops malaise Feb 2012 #22
Remember that Rand Paul was SHOCKED to find out EFerrari Feb 2012 #24
Ron Paul openly associates with Birchers and Neo-confederates Major Nikon Feb 2012 #25
Goldmine! Quantess Feb 2012 #28
Has he answered to any of this? jsmirman Feb 2012 #33

Number23

(24,544 posts)
18. "Patron Saint of White Teenage Tumbler LOLBertarian males"
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 03:48 AM
Feb 2012

If that don't sum up Ron Paul and his supporters (on both sides) I honestly don't know what will.

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
2. I'd like to say I am surpised, but I am not.
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:18 AM
Feb 2012

I can only imagine their meetings. Probably goes a little something likes this:

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
3. How Ron Paul used racist newsletters to wipe out debts, get rich
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:48 AM
Feb 2012

Texas Congressman Ron Paul left the House of Representatives at the end of 1984 deeply in debt, owing $765,000 to various creditors, some of whom threatened to take him to court.

His ill-fated and unsuccessful run for the Senate in 1984 didn’t help his precarious financial situation. He needed to make money and make it fast.

So with the help of his former chief of staff, Lew Rockwell, Paul hit upon a quick money-making scheme: A series of racially-provocative newsletters published under his name.

Paul wrote the economic themes of the newsletters, capitalizing on fear of government, hatred of the Internal Revenue Service and investment in commodities. Rockwell wrote the more provocative parts with racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic overtones.

In 10 years, the $100 a year subscription newsletters not only wiped out the Texas doctor’s staggering debts, but left him with a net worth of $3.3 million. That net worth would continue to grow.

How did he do it? By targeting the newsletters to racists, anti-Semitics and others who were willing to pay to read such material. He once bragged to Ed Crane, president of the CATO institute that he sold the most subscriptions by using the mailing list of The Spotlight, a now-defunct white supremacist newspaper that openly advocated racism and claimed the Holocaust never happened.

And while Paul now claims he never saw the racially-charged material, more former insiders from the newsletter publishing company have come forward to say he was closely-involved not only in the decision to go the provocative route but read and personally approved the content.

Ranae Hathway, a former secretary in Paul’s company, and still a supporter, told The Washington Post:


http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/42810

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
10. No he won't. And the media will just brush this off as will his "progressive followers."
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:35 AM
Feb 2012

Sad for my country.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
7. Why is this not getting wider coverage?
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:40 PM
Feb 2012

I'd like him to at least be forced to answer to this - I'd like to hear whatever wild explanation there is for this one.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
11. great question; I guaranty you, if it were a "Pinko Liberal"
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:37 AM
Feb 2012

... who was a secret Commie, we'd here about it for weeks.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
16. It doesn't matter if it gets no coverage at all. It will provoke a massive house cleaning
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 03:03 AM
Feb 2012

With knock-on effects in real life. Remember where Ron Paul's support comes from. That's right. The rightwing faction of Anonymous.

Racism is on its way out in the ranks of <?>, much to the chagrin of the "right-libertarian" 53%ers.

Political downfall of Ron Paul... I predict some interesting political alignments may come out of this.

Or GOP voters may rally around him and Rand Paul, indicating that we are further on the road to fascism. Either way, it'll wake some ponies up.

<?> no longer has to cater to angry Internet Tough Guys who display pictures of their guns on blogs for an audience or support. Racism is out... righteous indignation is in for 2012.

For Anon to take down Ron Paul, even inadvertently, is equivalent to the Army-MacCarthy hearings for the Ayn Rand right-libertarian movement... you won't see the effects immediately.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
26. I'm worried about the Paul-Romney alliance
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:04 PM
Feb 2012

which is a topic for another post - but which is, apparently, all too real a plan.

ingac70

(7,947 posts)
8. Here is the pastebin link!
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:30 AM
Feb 2012
http://pastebin.com/t8mbyQUS

Here is a snip....

Hey check out my latest link on my failure proof plan thread. I got another
leftist website to publicly promote crossover voting for Ron Paul. I hope you
are visiting leftist sites and telling them to vote for Ron Paul to give Obama
an easier opponent.lol

Number23

(24,544 posts)
19. Wonder if the folks here that have been subtly and non-subtly touting Ron's virtues
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 03:49 AM
Feb 2012

feel even the slightest bit played?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
20. Doubtful.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 04:22 AM
Feb 2012

They've been very careful with their language. And by very careful I mean, more careful than a politician in a deeply anti-point of view region (ie, a Democrat in the south, a Republican in the north). They've gone to extreme lengths to avoid showing any sort of support, and in the end they would just dismiss (or ignore) these recent revelations.

But it was known, even while they showed their overt support toward Paul, that he was in league with the nationalist racists. The real key is that, underneath, they probably share the same nationalist racist viewpoints. This is not a slander, of course, merely an observation of people who have shown their true colors from time to time. How would racist, xenophobic, isolationists really feel about Ron Paul's explicit allegiance with racist bigots?

Proud.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
30. I think you nailed it
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 06:05 PM
Feb 2012
The real key is that, underneath, they probably share the same nationalist racist viewpoints.

Only the truly naive or blindingly stupid believe that racism only resides on the right/Conservative side of the spectrum. Racism is as much a part of America as its geography even though I do personally believe that people can overcome racial prejudices. The first step though is acknowledging that you have them in the first place.

Folks who say "Oh, Paul is great I just ignore his racism" or "I have more in common with the tea party than differences, I just ignore their racism" are not doing themselves any favors.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
27. How about the folks who haven't been doing anything of the sort
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:14 PM
Feb 2012

but have been bizarrely and unfairly smeared by associations that exist only in the minds of the overzealous?

I was accused of being a fucking Ron Paul supporter.

If anything should be clear from my postings, it's hard to find someone more morally opposed to what he espouses or someone who is more clear in thinking that Ayn Rand was a poison-spewing, malignant windy hag.

I'm passionately pro-animal welfare, pro-environment, pro-bank regulation, and pro-investigation of financial corruption and the need for reform. I'm pro-compassion and treatment of our desperately poor with something resembling humanity.

I'm also publicly in support of all these things and not afraid of web and non-web activism.

But I have, in the past, been attacked as some sort of fucking Paulbot?

No, I will not celebrate this insane, overreaching, wild and irresponsible smearing that some have engaged in over here. I continue to find it disgusting. You tilt at imaginary windmills, while slandering people with the temerity to hope for real change.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
29. Have you ever heard the expression "if the shoe don't fit, don't wear it?"
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 05:58 PM
Feb 2012

What about "a hit dog will holler?"

I didn't even pretend to mention any names or even any particular positions that Ron Paul has had that certain DUers have latched onto for their own reasons. So why you feel compelled to jump up to proclaim your innocence when no one has even alluded to your guilt in particular is... interesting to say the least. Some might even say, hilarious.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
31. I don't know what's more pathetic
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:26 AM
Feb 2012

your entire post, or the fact that you think using a phrase like "a hit dog will holler" isn't despicable.

I'm going to restrain myself from making a personal attack, but the game you're playing at is low and contemptible.

Although let me say this - go read my post history - go read the things I've done - the idea that I would be a Ron Paul supporter is INSANE - so, if you're comfortable with insanity...

Yes, an ex-Wall Streeter who has RAILED for over a decade against the lack of regulation on Wall Street, the ridiculousness of the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and the criminality of misrepresentation is a Ron Paul supporter.

Yes, someone who would like to build a career around punishing corporations for their malfeasance using Rule 10b-5 is a Ron Paul supporter.

Why do I feel compelled when you dip into your bag of mystic chicanery to keep your fanciful windmill-tilt against nothingness to speak up? Because you've accused me of this nonsense in other threads, and I think it's shitty.

But seriously, an honest question: why do you this? What do you get from this reprehensible, McCarthy-ite behavior?

Is this all about some desperate longing to fit in, to get a pat on the head from people you really, really hope like you?

To me it seems like a waste of time, a lot of bad karma, a great deal of intellectual dishonesty, a hefty dash of willful ignorance of anything factual, and something I can't imagine feeling good about.

That's it, though, continue to smear passionate supporters of the whole panoply of traditional left-leaning causes. Pitiful. Do you really feel good about smearing someone with preposterous untruths? It's just crazy.

And those of you who stand by while vile games like this are being played are hurting this site.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
32. I have no idea who you are
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 07:08 PM
Feb 2012

What you are about or what you stand for. There are posters on DU that have advocated subtly for Ron Paul. Everyone knows this. If you are not one of them then WHY in God's name do you keep taking offense to my post?

I didn't call out a single poster. Didn't even name a single Ron Paul position. So your REPEATED screams of your innocence when no one has proclaimed your guilt has gone from hilarious to down right pitiful. I read your subject head and nothing else. If you want to pick a fight with someone, I suggest you do it with someone who cares about whatever it is that you are so passionate to being way past the point of reason and coherence over.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
15. I Sense Popcorn brewing on the Anonymous message boards. ^___^ Only one suitable pic for this:
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:43 AM
Feb 2012

Last edited Sat Feb 4, 2012, 03:52 AM - Edit history (1)

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This may actually serve to unify Anonymous behind Occupy, though, instead of provoking another civil war between the radical activist wing and the Ron Paulites. Reason? Because anons who support Ron Paul will realize they backed the wrong horse.

"Anarcho-capitalists" and libertarians who are most loyal to Ron Paul will just have to go back to representing the Internet Hate Machine where they will become increasingly irrelevant... If they'll even be accepted there. Hehehe, the Scientology connection between Ron Paul and the Neo-Nazis is especially juicy!



Sadly, while I don't care much about Ron Paul, the fact that libertarian politicians in office are only nutcases sends the message to all other politicians that libertarianism in the abstract (including left libertarianism, radical progressivism, civil libertarianism and ending foreign occupations) is the province of nutcases on the hard left or hard right, like Ron Paul and Cynthia Mackinney (the Ron Paul of the left).

What really concerns me is that people might be missing the fact that the rest of the GOP shares Ron Paul's views and aspirations, but actually in purer, authentically fascist form, and are better at making it sound acceptable by limiting who they associate with. They're just better at using code words and creating layered networks separating the "acceptable" groups from the vision of a military state espoused by the base. Absent corporate funding from the security industry, it's taken years for non-RW groups to come close to understanding how this system works, from the planting of media concepts, to the intricate system of plausibly deniable communications. Activist groups are just now beginning to use similar tools. When a crack appears in the facade, as with Gingrich's attack on Juan Williams, it should be especially notable.



If only Ron Paul were popular enough in the GOP caucus for this to cause chaos in the election.

Since he isn't, the media will chalk this up to acceptable racism in the GOP.

See, this is why I was hoping for a 3-way race with Gingrich and Ron Paul. Aside from the interesting vote split that would result -- The news is bringing all this stuff out early to ensure Romney's the candidate, to prevent it coming out in the general election when it might actually turn into a noose around their neck.

There's still hope for Gingrich to be the nominee as opposed to Romney, whose popularity even in a divided election would be a direct rebuke to the Occupy movement and to criticism of the whole direction of the country. If Romney's the candidate, I predict in 5 months time, talk of this country going in the wrong direction in the first place will be labeled defeatist and disruptive rhetoric... already we're seeing heartwarming puff pieces on economic improvement even as austerity measures tighten with increasing force.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
21. Barack Obama thanked Christian Dominionists for inviting him to speak.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 04:32 AM
Feb 2012

Dominionists who exalt Hitler's methods of crowd control.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
24. Remember that Rand Paul was SHOCKED to find out
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 07:13 AM
Feb 2012

that his communications guy had ties to neo nazi skinheads?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
25. Ron Paul openly associates with Birchers and Neo-confederates
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:35 AM
Feb 2012

Both of those groups have considerable inbreeding with Neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
33. Has he answered to any of this?
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:02 AM
Feb 2012

These are serious allegations, and it sure looks to me like there's a smoking gun here.

Why is the media not following up on this?

Are they, and did I just miss it? I did a google news search and nothing comes up for the topic in the past 24 hours.

The idea that someone polling numbers of any significance in one of the two major parties' primaries has ties to neo-Nazis is not significant news?

Call me crazy, but first, as a human being, and second, as a Jew, I find it a little terrifying.

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