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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSome friendly advice for all you freedom hating gun grabbers.
Hi I'm DanTex. I loves me some guns. I never leave home without two of them strapped to my body, one which stays in constant contact with my skin. And I hate gun control. I'd rather live in a prison cell in a gun-friendly state like Texas than in a mansion in some commie hellhole like California. The idea of going through a background check at a gun show makes me cringe. Oh, and I'm a Democrat. Really, I am.
So with all that in mind, I'd like to give some advice to all you gun-grabbing autocrats out there in order to help you more effectively advocate for the kinds of gun control laws that I would go to my grave fighting against. Because I want to help you. Really, I do.
OK, so first, just admit that you want to take away everyone's guns. We already know. Democrats hate guns, and gun owners. And while you're at it, admit you hate white people, and heterosexuals, and men, and NASCAR, and freedom, and America. You're not fooling anyone. Need proof? Here's a grainy picture of Obama from 1973 where if you look closely, he's making the ASL sign for "I'm going to take away your guns!"
Also, remember, the most important thing in gun debates is knowing the names of all of the parts of a gun. If you're going to win the gun debate, you need to get gun fanatics like me on board, and none of us care about statistics or studies about gun policy and gun violence. What we care about is that you never use the word "clip" instead of "magazine".
Finally, stop being so mean to gun owners! It hurts our feelings! When you say things like "nobody needs an assault weapon with a 30-round magazine", think about all the people who do need assault weapons with 30-round magazines in order to summon the courage to walk out the front door each morning! How do you think it makes them feel?
Cirque du So-What
(25,941 posts)You've effectively negated any reason for visiting the gungeon - ever.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Taverner
(55,476 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...doesn't stop the post from being an absurdity.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Therefore, this is a good thread ...
hlthe2b
(102,289 posts)That's gotta leave a mark...
Bake
(21,977 posts)In case you need it:
Bake
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I have seen a number of people on this board that this effectively satirizes.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)McCarthy, and charts that light up and prove absolutely nothing...it's all part of the big show...
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)Pressure cookers
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)...the gunnies like to cite, along with swimming pool drownings, auto accidents, .........
RC
(25,592 posts)That's kilt a lot o people.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)He's one of the last few of his kind.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)by the children of the gun, this could be many of DU's own gungeoneers speaking.
Thank you
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)if even one gun nut replies.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)sandmann
(32 posts)If you would have forgone the hysteria and stuck with facts. Yawn!
We have had gun control for decades. The majority of gun owners don't conceal carry. You do have to go through a background check if you purchase a gun from a gun show. Oh, and tens of millions of Democrats do respect the 2nd Amendment and own all kinds of guns. Really, they do.
Also, we pretty much expect paranoid "gun grabbers" to not know what they are talking about during "gun debates," but you should know what you are talking about if your goal is effective legislation.
Stats and studies are fine, just be honest enough to use them correctly.
Finally, childish name calling and disgusting mischaracterizations don't "hurt feelings," they piss people off, which in turn leads people to not be interested in anything you have to say.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that they were misquoted.
sandmann
(32 posts)Well, at least about the mindless cheerleaders who prefer to rant and rave against the 2nd Amendment, rather than work towards meaningful legislative solutions.
Guess I'll just join the crowd and go be scared and worry about some place where some guy might have some gun.
billh58
(6,635 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)
mention the mindless (paid?) cheerleaders for the NRA who prefer to rant and rave about our "evil government" and how they alone will protect us when tyranny rears its ugly head.
There is nothing at all wrong with the Second Amendment. The problem lies with the way the right-wingers interpret it to give them the "right" to the unfettered proliferation of ALL guns, anywhere, with absolutely no regulation.
Now go hug your gun and tell it how much you love it...
sandmann
(32 posts)that the NRA has a clue as to what DU is and that it hires people to post on here?
Or that your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is more valid than the Supreme Courts and what our nations history shows?
That we have "unfettered proliferation of ALL guns, anywhere, with absolutely no regulation?"
No wonder you have to resort to childish banter, you sure as hell don't have any facts to debate with.
billh58
(6,635 posts)As for the "childish banter," that remark would almost be laughable if it weren't coming from hair-on-fire gun hugger who's afraid that mean old Democrats are going to take his/her precious toy.
Now run along and play hero with your Gungeon friends...
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Oh sure, these guys are going to violently overthrow the government and then give up power.
Uh huh...
Iggo
(47,558 posts)'Cause they're cool like that.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)As far as "scared" - which group needs a gun nearby?
Robb
(39,665 posts)High-capacity funny, right there.
valerief
(53,235 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)anachronistic and I really don't care about your gun rights, they don't trump the "General welfare".
Bake
(21,977 posts)Except you're not. That must suck for you.
Bake
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Let's see: some gun humper's hurt feelings on one side: 30,000 dead Americans per year on the other.
No contest for anyone with a brain.
billh58
(6,635 posts)the NRA's "cold dead hands" band wagon followers, and the majority of DU's very own Gungeoneers to perfection. The Second Amendment does not mandate that those of us who wish to reduce gun violence in this country kiss the collective asses of those who do not.
I'm terribly sorry that your precious gun(s) has/have been slandered, and that your feelings are hurt by the harsh things most Americans are saying about the gun cult in the USA, but then again -- deal with it. Change is coming, and sanity will prevail.
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)...around here regarding guns!! Well done!
musical_soul
(775 posts)Hey, guess what? Jail doesn't have guns. Duh.
I'm not for gun grabbing. I think all law abiding adult citizens should be allowed to have one. That said, I think background checks ensure that criminals have a harder time getting guns. Otherwise, we might as well give them one when they come out of prison.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)funny.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... "here's your $20, a bus ticket, and your Glock" Stay out of trouble."
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)who uses a gun and then becomes a criminal? i believe that was the case with the newtown shooting. he was a law-abiding citizen until he used a weapon and killed a bunch of people. it think that happens a lot with mass murderers who use guns.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)So I appreciate this...
Brewinblue
(392 posts)"they" never said that.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)This is a large part of why gun control keeps losing.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Everything is obviously going swimmingly
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)A sufficient number of members of Congress believe in indulging gun fetishists in rural America over protecting human life.
billh58
(6,635 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:41 PM - Edit history (1)
NRA and its right-wing corporate sponsors who pay Uncle Wayne to be the bag man for Congressional and local political payoffs. As recent events in Congress prove, the "will of the people" counts for absolutely zero when it comes to the proliferation of guns, or even checking on who buys them.
The NRA and its apologists would have us all believe that ALL gun owners vote as a bloc, and that we must be nice to the gun extremists (nuts) if we want to win the hearts and minds of ALL gun owners. The majority of the lax public carry laws were passed by politicians behind closed doors and paid for with NRA funds. The taxpayers and voters never had a chance to speak (or vote) on the majority of those laws before they were passed.
The constant chorus of "gun control will never get off the ground unless you kiss our collective asses" by the NRA and extremist DU Gungeon crowd is a cry of desperation now that public opinion about gun violence is changing. We don't need their sorry asses to pass sensible and sane gun regulation and oversight -- we need to defeat the NRA and its pitiful 4 million members whose only purpose is to assure profits for their gun manufacturer 1%-ers, and the Republicans and Libertarians who accept their bribes.
The Second Amendment does not need to be repealed -- the NRA and its bought-and-paid-for right-wing politicians need to be repealed and relegated to the trash heap of history.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)because the NRA keeps politicians terrified of doing the right thing.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)The serious posts are countered with : More GUNZ
"They" say you've lost when you lose the ability to laugh at yourself ... I really appreciate your response!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I can tell.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Do you honestly not see the important differences between my OP and this one?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I recognize all of the arguments in the OP as stuff people have actually said here. Usually the post count is much lower, and usually the only topics these guys comment on are (a) Gungeon threads and (b) gun threads in GD.
See, e.g.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022643270
DanTex
(20,709 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)1.) "I loves me some guns."
2.) "I never leave home without two of them strapped to my body, one which stays in constant contact with my skin."
3.) "And I hate gun control."
4.) "The idea of going through a background check at a gun show makes me cringe."
5.) "Oh, and I'm a Democrat. Really, I am." - This one is iffy. Although there are millions of firearm-owning Democrats, and because some Democrats are opposed to firearm ownership, you might actually be a Democrat.
6.) "We already know. Democrats hate guns, and gun owners."
7.) "Also, remember, the most important thing in gun debates is knowing the names of all of the parts of a gun."
...
Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Unless you think that Herman Melville is a liar because his name isn't actually "Ishmael".
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)but your "indignant" is showing, and that's not allowed under the rules of satire and ridicule...
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)What was said was not true, but it WAS said or explicitly implied by extremist Gungeoneers and NRA apologists.
Deny it all you want, and maybe YOU never said any of those things, but they are valid representations of statements made by gun crazies.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)Of course what was said by the Gungeoneers and NRA apologists is not true. That's why those things are so funny when they're presented as satire, because the Gungeoneers actually believe what they say is true when they say them. I know it's confusing, but at least try to keep up.
You mad...?
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)being willfully obtuse. I have a feeling that even if I were to type slower, you would still not have the capacity to comprehend what is plainly written. Now I understand why you don't get the satire in the OP.
Bub bye Bubba...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It's a deliberate gross exaggeration, which constitutes a strawman. Worthless, conflict-stoking, divisive bullshit...
billh58
(6,635 posts)Really? You actually accuse someone of being divisive because they hold a mirror up for the most extremist Gungeoneers to see themselves as the rest of us do?
Get over yourselves, because change is coming and you NRA "cold dead hands" types are no longer germane to the discussion.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)But he's (obviously) not "hold(ing) a mirror up." He was indulging in over-the-top, absurd exaggerations and misrepresentations, a childish, playground-level "debate" tactic that I'd have actually thought was beneath him. My mistake...
Oh, and forum rules prevent me from responding to your slanderously characterizing me as an "NRA type" in the manner that such asshattery deserves...but I suspect you can use your imagination to get the gist of it. I'll give you a hint: the gesture version is very similar to "you're number one."
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Otherwise it wouldn't be so fun to read, nor some of the responses so interesting.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I'd rather read actual substantive arguments, but given the scarcity of same, this'll do. At least it's entertaining...
jmg257
(11,996 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)telling me "fuck you," if that's what you're trying to imply, but it sure took you a lot of words to say it.
Let's see -- who I am going to believe? I've seen those and similar stupid remarks as portryed by the OP. I've seen them in the Gungeon, and on other rednecked NRA apologist sites with my own eyes, but you're telling me that I haven't. Hmmm, was it all in a dream? Was it a Jedi mind trick that made me believe that I've been called a "grabber" for voicing my opinion?
Well, what you call "over the top, absurd exaggerations and misrepresentations," the rest of us call Gungeoneer-speak and NRA talking points.
Have a nice day now, heah...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I have no problem saying "fuck you" to someone who deserves it, either...except when it's against the rules. Which it is here.
So, you claim to have seen pro-gun posters actually say, "And while you're at it, admit you hate white people, and heterosexuals, and men, and NASCAR, and freedom, and America." You've seen posts containing " Here's a grainy picture of Obama from 1973 where if you look closely, he's making the ASL sign for 'I'm going to take away your guns?'" You've actually encountered someone legitimately stating "...none of us care about statistics or studies about gun policy and gun violence. "
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
You're doing the same infantile thing Dan did: equate the actual points being made with that sort of idiotic exaggeration. It's as obvious as a hippo in a tutu, sparky.
billh58
(6,635 posts)Yes I HAVE seen remarks that make those pale in comparison. I've seen calls for the assassination of President Obama by Gun Huggers. And yes I've seen assertions that Democrats and Liberals would oppress "white people, heterosexuals, men, NASCAR, freedoms and America" if they are allowed to enact ANY form of gun control. I saw a regular Gungeoneer call black people who attempted to steal his tools "Kafirs," and that post was allowed to stand.
Maybe you have not espoused these views, or ever made these asinine statements, but they are made on a daily basis all over the Internet -- especially on the White Power and Nazi sites. These sites also present NRA points-of-view as a source of legitimacy. The DU Gungeon is a cauldron of right-wing hate talk and over-the-top rhetoric, and most sane DU-ers have trashed it for that very reason.
The OP used "over-the-top" satire as a device to point out the absurdity of the extreme NRA "cold dead hands" asinine talking points. If that offends you, and you are too delicate to admit that evil people exist on the side of the NRA, and that guns are public health issue in this nation, then what you said you couldn't say.
Ciao...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...until you tried to assert that the Gungeon is legitimately equivalent those RW kook sites you went on about (where such things may well occur...). That's a steaming load of utter horseshit.
Your characterization of the OP is horseshit, too. DanTex wasn't trying to satirize the sort of over-the-top crap one might find on some fringe-dweller RW site. He was ridiculing posts right here on DU, very recently made in General Discussion. Posts that were not even remotely suggesting the shit he spewed. Posts that were making the very reasonable point that people of good will can disagree on some points about gun control and still come together to enact ideas they DO agree upon. You're trying (and failing) to move the goalposts.
billh58
(6,635 posts)Your raw vitriol and aggressiveness kind of makes the point for the OP doesn't it? I didn't say that the Gungeon is the DU equivalent to a right-wing kook site -- only that it is very close. The most prolific and vocal Gungeoneers routinely quote right-wing sources to make their NRA apologist points.
You and I obviously are on different sides of the issue of gun violence in the USA, and that's fine as we are both entitled to our opinions. I suspect that you are a nice person when you are not railing against we "gun control grabbers," and in that vein I wish you a good day.
Aloha from Maui...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I responded with "vitriol" to insult. Not, mind you, that my responses were even remotely vitriolic in comparison to how I react to being slandered on a site that isn't so prone to banning people. But for better or worse (and I certainly agree it's better), this ain't 4chan...
I'd argue that you actually did posit that equivalency to RW kook sites, but I can see that we're not going to agree on that point, so best to just let it drop. I also suspect we're not actually all that far apart on the matter of gun violence in America; we doubtless differ significantly on the best course of action to take to reduce it, but not on acknowledging the problem itself.
Best wishes from the Pacific Northwest!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)That is pretty close to verbatim from a famous NRA speech by Charlton Heston. And plenty of gun trolls on DU constantly accuse gun control advocates of "anti-gun bigotry" and "culture wars" and similar stupidity.
Finding out-of-context quotes by Democrats and gun control advocates to "prove" that they really want door-to-door confiscation is practically a daily occurrence. My favorite is the fake Sarah Brady quote about how only after the resistance has been disarmed can we impose our goal of socialism on America.
The denialism of gun nuts is epic, to the point that creationists and global warming deniers seem like Nobel laureates in comparison. I have personally posted a dozen or more peer-reviewed studies about guns, and in each case, the gun nuts respond with scientifically illiterate rebuttals copied from some gun propaganda website, along with the usual claims that the scientific community has an "anti-gun bias" and that the real truth can only be found in blinking red capital letters on a gun blog surrounded for advertisements for survival gear and gold bullion.
billh58
(6,635 posts)discovered the source of the problem with communicating with Gungeoneers and NRA apologists -- they have absolutely no sense of humor. If a post does not contain a mind-numbing and rambling statistical analysis of something -- anything -- they have trouble comprehending its "true" meaning. After all, it is well known that guns, and their "cold dead hands" protectors, are no laughing matter.
Like right-wingers, Libertarians, and Republicans, Gungeoneers lack the humor gene and see most things through glasses which portray things as either black, or white. In the future, please exclude all forms of humor, satire, or parody from posts which may be read by Gungeoneers. It's the humane thing to do.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...you probably have a point about that "sense of humor" thing. It's not my strong suit. And I do tend to prefer cold, dry statistical analysis (contrary to Dan's characterization, this "gun nut" isn't just comfortable with scientifically literate statistical analysis, I'm actually quite well qualified to review it). Well, I prefer it to deliberate shit-stirring masquerading as "satire," anyway...
I suppose I'd be better off pretending that reasonable people can come together and hash out a workable plan to institute reasonable, effective gun control measures and just accept that this is a "culture war" flashpoint that's never going to be resolved. The haters on either extreme win again...
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)poopy head
The single most offensive thing you can call someone. It's like the atom bomb of arguments. Men fear it's omnipotent and awesome power. It it literally unmatched and all humble themselves in the presence of it's divinity. Few have survived to tell of it...
SunSeeker
(51,569 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)Good thing you put that sarcasm gif at the end. Around here you have to use it with such clever satire.
Two thousand views and fifty three recs (and counting)! We love you here! By golly, with you leading the way there's nothing we can't do! Why I bet we could have an entire show based on this OP! Jane and Darla can make costumes, Alfalfa can sing and we can put it on in Spanky's barn!
Get over here and get your uniform! You're on the squad!
sylvi
(813 posts)Dr. Strangelove is clever satire. Catch-22 is clever satire.
This is Scary Movie, only with less talented writers.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Paladin
(28,264 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)how I picture them!
valerief
(53,235 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Here's a grainy picture of Obama from 1973 where if you look closely, he's making the ASL sign for "I'm going to take away your guns!
This "killed" me!
Dpm12
(512 posts)no one on this forum agrees with gun masturbating nuts.
it did ya...?
Paladin
(28,264 posts)And they probably own guns. There's a cheerful thought.
NOTICE: SARCASM-LACED HUMOR INVOLVED WITH THE "CHEERFUL THOUGHT" COMMENT, ABOVE.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Well done and and rec'd!
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)SlipperySlope
(2,751 posts)This is the article it is a parody of: Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argument
revmclaren
(2,524 posts)to faux news. They will probably think its a wonderful insightful 'Fair and balanced' article and headline it. Just what their mindless gun-horder minions believe.
SunSeeker
(51,569 posts)Much like Tina Fey doing Sarah Palin. Their own words make the joke. That "Dear Gun Control Democrats" blog was posted for our education here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2732033
billh58
(6,635 posts)post, Gungeoneers have absolutely no sense of humor when it comes to their "precious." To them, "you're either with us and the Second Amendment, or you're against us and the Second Amendment," and it is no fucking joking matter!
God gave them the right to carry a gun in public, and the Constitution only "enumerates" that God-given right! Now stop laughing and hand me a beer while I clean my AR-15.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)And the whining is hysterical considering nothing really changed federally on gun laws.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts).
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)I am planning to buy a 3d printer that can make stuff out of plastic after I get my 2nd mortgage approved and I saw a youtube video of a guy making an uzi out of a shovel in his garage. What now gun grabber?
</sarcasm>
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)I don't think that you threatened to vote republican enough.