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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKen Ham is deeply upset at atheist bigotry!
Oh, what's he specifically upset about? Remember this?
Yeah. Ken Ham is upset because we're calling his bullshit bullshit. Oh, and because we atheists eat babies.
From the horse's less-than-evolved mouth (Warning, this is Ken Ham's site - don't click if you don't want to hurt your brain.)
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2013/04/30/atheists-attack-christian-school?utm_source=aigsocial04302013brca&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebooktwittergooglelinkedin
by Ken Ham and Mark Looy, AiGU.S.April 30, 2013
Christian education is under attack in America as never before. Yesterday on this website, we highlighted the plight of the Romeikes, a German Christian family who is seeking asylum in America because the German government forbids their homeschool instruction. The Obama Administration is siding with the German government and its view of homeschooling, and they are seeking to deport this family who wants to educate their children in accord with Gods Word. If the U.S. Attorney General succeeds in denying their asylum, it may have chilling ramifications for religious and educational liberties in the United States.
Today, we bring your attention to another attack on Christian education. A Christian K12 school in South Carolina, with dedicated and highly qualified Christian teachers,1 has come under vicious attack by atheists. Why? Because one of its instructors, a fourth-grade teacher, tested her children about biblical creation, science, and dinosaurs (using AiG resources), and she has become (in)famous on many atheist websites and blogs.
The atheist buzz about the dinosaur-and-Bible quiz, however, is not really all that surprising. Over the past few years, we have seen atheists becoming more aggressive and intolerant towards Christians. (See the sidebar for just a few of the many examples we could cite.) They are attempting to impose their belief system (yes, their religion) on the culture.
It seems that since the last presidential election, atheists have grown more confident about having something of a license to go after Christians. These secularists want to impose their anti-God religion on the culture. They are simply not content using legislatures and courts to protect the dogmatic teaching of their atheistic religion of evolution and millions of years in public schools. There is something else on their agenda: they are increasingly going after Christians and Christian institutions that teach Gods Word beginning in Genesis.
Man, this is rich!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)Kenny, if you lie for a living, you are going to be called on it. If you lie to children for a living, the calls are going to be loud and rude. Now go sniffle all the way to the bank, you fraud.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)or something like that.
Unfortunately I've see the word "bigot" thrown around too much recently so I'm unwilling to let this go by without comment...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)His creation museum is like really funny...
defacto7
(13,485 posts)"Over the past few years, we have seen atheists becoming more aggressive and intolerant towards Christians."
No... we have increased in number.
Another quote...
"They are simply not content using legislatures and courts to protect the dogmatic teaching of their atheistic religion of evolution and millions of years in public schools."
Go back to school Mr. Ham. What kind of English is this? Third grade? Sure, we've been teaching an atheistic religion for millions of years in the public schools.... right.
LAGC
(5,330 posts)These idiots think the Earth is only 6000 years old and dinosaurs and men lived together side-by-side.
I know. Thanks!
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Doesn't he get that doing so slams Xian religion at the same time, simply because its a religion?
And, no, Ken, atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
defacto7
(13,485 posts)oh wait....
never mind.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)Johonny
(20,851 posts)He sells crap under the disguise of religion and pretends he is holy than thou for doing it. He doesn't even approach the meaning of the word Christian. He knows it is worthless junk he is selling but it makes him bucks. No real Christian thinks attacking people like him is attacking Christianity. The dude is the all bottom line. The sad thing is when you attack him it helps him sell his crap to the people who desperately want to believe. If only more religious leaders would outright denounce these for-profit huskers
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..who gets to decide who the 'real christians' are?
the pope?
Johonny
(20,851 posts)Not according to Ken there. Your either with him or part of some mysterious Atheist agenda. But it isn't just the atheists.
You know I got taught physics by a Franciscan Friar. There is no doubt in my mind a person like that does not take Ken Ham as a serious defender of theology. I serious doubt the Pope does either.
Thus the whole joke of poor Ken there pretending to protect Christians from atheists. There are a shit load of theists that have no problem with the theory of evolution and I wish more of would get sick of listening to this jerk pretend to be standing up for them. He isn't. He's just standing up for his ability to make an easy buck off selling the snake oil.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..who support evolution. a minority in the u.s., in fact.. including liberal believers, but let's set that aside.
you're saying that Ham's interpretation of christianity is wrong because either it's too black-and-white? but isn't that just a liberal reinterpretation of an intrinsically conservative 'holy book'? how is your version of christianity more valid than ham's?
my point is there is no basis for comparison.. you said it yourself.. 'Don't they get to decide for themselves'?
well Ham has decided he's got it right and the rest of us are wrong. there's no way to show he's wrong and you're right, because.. and here's the salient point..
.. it's *religion*.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)I believe Ken Ham's books, videos, speaking tours and museum have nothing to do with religion. It has to do with him making money. This is not a real Christian or a real religious issue. It's an economic issue. When people make fun of that test they are attacking Ken Ham's ability to make a buck. I am not saying really anything about religion. My own bet is Ken doesn't really give a flying crap about religion. He is making a buck. Letters like the one in the thread sell not to Christians that aren' t old Earth Creationist, not to atheist who wouldn't give a anyways. It sells to his base. The people he's already selling to. It is a constant problem, attack Ham and old Earth creationist you can help them do what it is they really want to do, make a buck.
I contend to isn't a real religious matter, It is an economic matter and the Ken Ham's of the world really only care about making money. My proof. Heck I've read enough con artist material and that letter is classic bait material.
If you want to treat Ken Ham as a serious theologian, more power to you. Me I see him as no different then the guys selling climate denial, or any other junk science. Just an honest scam artist making an easy earned buck or two. They he does it under the cloak of religion (when he needs it to be religion) and science (when he needs it to be science) hey that's just good business.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..i just came up with that btw..
but now you waver in your approach. you said he wasn't a 'real christian' but maybe he's one of those 'prosperity gospel' preachers, too. he could be *both*.
the difference? which cherries get picked.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)And this guy excuses it in the name of religion.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)They are homeschooling all their fundy kids with this kind of crap.
We got one of their "educational" catalogs in the mail by mistake once. Fucking frightening.
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)car keyed.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)love it!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Few will challenge his fundy idiocy directly and atheists will be the scapegoats.
knitter4democracy
(14,350 posts)The liberal Christian group on FB daily attacks this guy's crap, and those of us who have actually heard him speak constantly tell everyone what a con man and Pharisaical hypocrite he is. Unfortunately, conservative Christians don't listen to us and just tell us we're going to hell.
dawg
(10,624 posts)That guy is a tool.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)yeh.. defending liberal christian cherry-picking instead of conservative christian cherry-picking.. but hey, who am i to criticize and get hidden?
longship
(40,416 posts)That's right, Ken Ham, according to you they fucked their sisters. Real Christian values there. Incest is best? Huh?
After all, your Creation Museum exhibit says as much.
PZ Myers led a bunch of atheists in a tour of Ham's Creation Museum. Here's his report:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/08/10/the-creation-museum-1/
And here's the learned Professor PZ Myers in action at Ken Ham's Creation Museum:
Enjoy!
Ken Ham is an ignorant buffoon.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I've figured it out! No wonder it looks like a casting call for Deliverance - they're more closely related to Adam and Eve! Fewer branches in the family tree if you catch my drift...
Apophis
(1,407 posts)No. I'm going after institutions who purposely mislead children by giving them false information about scientific principles.
What an idiot.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Really? Have the churches been closed? Can you not pray as you wish?
There is an assumption in this country that a person must be a believer of some kind (preferably Christian, but Jewish is acceptable) to be any kind of a decent human being. What hogwash! Atheists don't generally assume that Believers are immoral and untrustworthy, which is what Believers assume of Atheists.
It's my observation that Believers of various stripes are willing to persecute any and all who don't believe in their specific way.
I'm not actually an atheist, although my specific beliefs aren't the issue. I just want to be left alone to think and believe what I want, and I'll leave you alone to do the same.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Alas.... this simply does not happen. When has this ever happened except in a small venue?
This is not reality. Expecting such is as big a bunch of make believe as the supernatural. Religious people can't leave each other alone much less atheists. Atheists who realize this are reluctant to let things slide. If you're gonna be demonized anyway, might as well call their BS.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)are so insecure in their beliefs (at least this is the way I interpret it) that they have a desperate need to persuade everyone else to believe as they do. It's as if they think God will somehow disappear if there aren't enough believers.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)my IQ dropped five points.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Last edited Wed May 1, 2013, 03:34 AM - Edit history (1)
Schools should teach evolution. But before the school year starts teachers, parents and the ALL the religious leaders( because Christianity is not the only one with their beliefs about where we and everything came from) should get together. The schools can let the Religious leaders know what is being studied when so if they wish to be ready for the question that will more than likely be asked them. The parents will also have a heads up in advance so they too can be ready.
I am one that believes, a belief that came from my mom, that children should be shown as many ideas, as much info on the world you possibly can. And then let them choose what path they decide is right.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The idea that Creationism, or Norse Mythology, or Scientology, or the like can be put on some sort of equal footing with the accumulated scientific knowledge of biology, geology, and the history of life on Earth (of which Evolution is a cornerstone) is a logical fallacy.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)When the locale schools get ready to teach children about a science that may/will start questions that the child will want answers to. A heads up to the religious leaders and the parents is what should happen. That way they will be ready for the questions that will be asked.
Teach science, but lets make sure everyone will be ready for the questions.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It's certainly preferable to communities bullying teachers into silence.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..before diving into evolution (college level at a rural branch).. even made the class optional for those of us already comfortable with the fact. i showed up anyway just to show up and kept my trap shut the whole time. these were adults at a glorified vo-tech *shaking* as they talked about how they could *never* discuss what they were about to learn with their families.
i think it's a good idea. that convinced me right there we need a lot more community outreach.
sad that science needs P.R. people.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Their mythology should not get equal time with vetted science in the biology classroom.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)What is taught in science class is vetted by scientists. It's not up to the community, or... horrors!... religious leaders what gets taught in science.
Science is not a popularity poll, nor does it have anything to do with professions of faith. That's why scientists decide what to teach in science class.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)Should flat earthers get equal time? How about people who think the Earth is the center of the universe? Technically, the theory of a heliocentric universe is still "just a theory."
What about holocaust deniers? Eugenics?
The idea of sending out a long itinerary sounds good, but then they would have to send it out every single day. The south still is trying to convince kids the civil war was about states right and northern aggression. Almost every class has some controversy. Mark Twains Huck Finn in english/reading classes. Contraceptives in health/sex ed class. Evolution in science, Big Bang (and now electricity) in physics, and all of art.
And of course 90%* of the american people probably think higher death row inmates than any math class
A better way is just for parents to take an interest in what their kids learned on a day by day basis.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)The schools will teach evolution. But they need to have a meeting with the parents and religious leaders before hand to give them the heads up BEFORE the class is taught. That way when the Kids leave the classroom with the question they WILL have, the parents and the religious leaders will know what was talked about and how best to answer the kids.
Creation, be what ever story your religion may go by, belongs to be taught in Sunday school, or synagogue, mosque , or where ever one practices. Evolution belongs in Schools. But everyone needs to be ready for the questions that kids will have.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)it is stupidity. No wonder this guy feels persecuted.
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)a movement for Moslem home-schooling. Watch how fast he changes his tune.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)MIRT misses you!
knitter4democracy
(14,350 posts)That's what it's really about according to a couple of fundy friends on FB and what they've linked. So, yeah, I side with the Obama administration on that--educate your kids right on sex, and they're far more likely to act in accordance with the faith. Been there, done that, have the Christian college scars to prove it.
So, con man Ham, it's not about you.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I do find it irritating that a guy like Ken Ham claims to speak for Christianity.
Bryant
marmar
(77,081 posts)Solly Mack
(90,769 posts)A fight he won a long time ago.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)He's not satisfied with staying within the walls of his church.
He wants to inflict his batshit on your kids, through the public schools, and if he and his ilk can't control the public schools, he'll destroy the public schools, drive your kids into his franchises of "Christian" schools, and indoctrinate them there.
Solly Mack
(90,769 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Initech
(100,079 posts)We're not bigots. We're just shocked anyone would want their kids learning nonsense and scoring 100% on a test on this nonsense.
central scrutinizer
(11,650 posts)[link:|
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Don't know any Christians myself who want their kids taught the earth is 6,000 years old or that dinosaurs frolicked with cavemen.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)not that i put a lot of *faith* in my hope that people will stop taking this bullshit seriously.
how is riding dinosaurs any less delusional than walking on water, pray tell?
or raising the dead?
or rising from the dead?
or raising *all* the dead after rising from the dead, again?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)This belongs in the Religeon dungeon, not GD.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)which fundies are pushing on public schools. So yes, it belongs in GD.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Last edited Wed May 1, 2013, 11:36 PM - Edit history (1)
And shoot them full of Thorazine.
How anyone can ever take his crap seriously is an insult to crap.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)fools like this have only the one..
..comedy *gold*.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)and the dinosaur you rode in on.