One of the persons arrested today

[malaise]

We posted this pic on DU very early.

Why would these idiots try to cover up for their fellow moron? Why would you hide evidence in such a serious crime.

[uppityperson]

1. That picture makes me really sad, knowing what is coming. I don't understand people.

[malaise]

3. Same here

I can't believe they are this dumb.

[southernyankeebelle]

29. They are teenagers and they sure weren't thinking right. I am willing to bet

they are sorry for throwing the stuff away. In their minds they probably didn't think they were doing anything wrong. Dumb teenagers.

[malaise]

33. We were teenagers albeit some time back

Sorry that was way more than dumb.

[southernyankeebelle]

35. Teens do dumb things, period. Dumb yes but still do dumb things.

[madokie]

49. Theres a difference between dumb and criminal

This was criminal and they knew it, I'd bet money on that. I hope they throw the book, so to say, at them.
Get these sob's off our streets

[Ruby the Liberal]

58. Sorry is one thing. Lying to authorities because "you didn't understand

the gravity of the situation" is another.

They are sorry they got caught.

[southernyankeebelle]

59. Could be. But we are mature adults. I know if my kid done something like hide evidence

they'd have to call the police to peel me away from him before I beat the heck out of him. What a nightmare for a parent. I bet if any one of these guys wouldn't have been together none of them would have covered for him. It's that group think and that kind is dangerous.

[Fawke Em]

60. Their parents are in another country, though.

That's kind of the issue.

[cali]

70. you seriously underestimate teenagers

[southernyankeebelle]

74. Well maybe so or maybe your overestimating them.

[flamingdem]

2. There may be some serious rules of behavior in their culture

regarding friendship and ratting out.

Also it does seem like both of the Bomb Bros had the ability to persuade.

Thanks for posting the picture.

[Scootaloo]

11. 'Cause you know, "we" never do that sort of thing

[flamingdem]

14. How much experience do you have living in less developed

parts of the world? Just curious.

[Scootaloo]

18. No, you're not 'just curious,' you're trying to defend a fallacy

Covering for a friend's criminal ass happens frequently from all cultures and al lwalks of life. it's called "poor judgement," and all people are subject to it on occasion.

[flamingdem]

26. If you have spent time in other cultures what you might

know about is the degree of difference involved in the distance one would go and how it is culturally framed, but feel free to take the parochial US centric everywhere-is-the-same view if you wish.

[Scootaloo]

68. And if you spent time understanding people and how they work...

You would 'get' that nineteen year-old kids generally don't consider the ramifications of stupid decisions they make. Especially when that decision is something as seemingly trivial as deleting information. Hit a button or two and it's gone, no big deal, right?

You're attempting to frame this as some sort of epic "clash of civilizations" shit. it's not. It's some college doofuses sticking by their buddies in a shortsighted way, and it is nothing unique to Dagestanis. The fact we have laws on the book for this sort of thing illustrates that point; you think it's there in case some foreigners with weird "rules of behavior in their culture" come along? No, it's because any dumb motherfucker might do the same damn thing.

[Live and Learn]

80. +1 nt

[flamingdem]

81. I use the word "may" because this is ALL speculation

but for some reason you felt the need to feel your speculation is correct? No, yours is no more accurate than mine, what's interesting is your need to prove something you don't know.

[Fawke Em]

56. Thank you.

I was pointing out a similar thing on another thread.

These guys were BEST FRIENDS. Not only would it be hard to accept that your friend would do something like this, but then you have the obvious issue that they are all TEENAGERS who do dumbass things.

[JHB]

84. Wasn't Dzohkar a low-level pot dealer?

I wonder if these guys might have reflexively gone into "ditch the weed" mode even though this was an infinitely larger matter? Maybe there were cultural influences, maybe just the stupidity of teenagers, or maybe they've helped their bud avoid trouble before and at least started off doing that here.

Everything said here is speculation anyway. We'll find out.

[Pelican]

62. Well and good..

Maybe part of a culture or an individual's personality...

That doesn't, in any way, excuse them from the consequences of their actions.

Still wondering about the chihuahua btw...

[Posteritatis]

54. Remember, Americans are complex humans. All foreigners are actually perl scripts. (nt)

[Scootaloo]

69. Judging from the posts of some Americans here, I would contest the claim of complexity n/t

[malaise]

15. Possibly but you're going to swap that student visa for a prison suit

I hope they weighed that before making their decision or they are even bigger morons than I suspected.

[Brickbat]

32. What, like at a frat house? A sports team?

[Niceguy1]

52. culture or not

it is still a crime and they're still criminals.

[flamingdem]

53. Plus, they were guests here and their job was to learn

the rules here .. zero wiggle room on that one.

[Fawke Em]

57. Oh... we had the trial?

They pleaded guilty?

Sorry, no, right now they are suspects. They are not criminals.

Fucking stop acting like a Republican.

[Ikonoklast]

71. They admitted their criminal activity.

A trial will be a formality.

[Myrina]

82. +100

Thank you.

[Honeycombe8]

66. They did more than just "not rat out." They helped a murderer of children get away....

Would YOU do that under any circumstance? I wouldn't. No way.

People's lives have been permanently changed. A child was brutally killed, other children are suffering with severe injuries, and people are left without arms and legs.

No, I wouldn't help that "person" get away by hiding evidence. And I don't care if I were even related to him...I'd rat him out in a second. If I didn't, he might well kill another child or blow off someone else's legs.

[theHandpuppet]

76. +1000

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[JI7]

72. has nothing to do with culture, look at the mother and sister of the kid who shot the baby

they are all american. some people are just assholes.

[Fumesucker]

4. It may well have happened before they knew anything was going on

We really don't know the facts yet, they could have been unwitting dupes very easily.

[uppityperson]

7. Reading the filings, they said they knew and were trying to help keep him out of trouble.

Link was off a link on this page http://theweek.com/article/index/243543/boston-marathon-bombings-police-arrest-3-new-suspects#

[Fumesucker]

8. OK, thanks, didn't know that.. n/t

[gateley]

51. They may have thought he didn't MEAN to kill anybody --

It's hard to reconcile someone you know as a friend doing something THAT grievous and lethal intentionally. Or at least I imagine it could be.

Either way, they didn't think it through.

[Fawke Em]

61. Just asked my son the same thing.

Not in this context, but asked, "If XXX (his best friend who also has had some brother trouble) was shown as a suspect and you thought it was him, but you weren't sure, what would you do?" He said, "It's XXX, I'd sit tight."

I HAVE a teenaged son. I know his friends. The difference is that I live here and can guide my son. Those kids' parents live a world away.

[Honeycombe8]

67. We know some things. The authorities have texts. They e-mailed/texted the suspect...

after seeing the pics on tv...something like, "hey, that guy on the video looks likeyou!" Suspect responds, "Lol. You should go to my place and take what you want." Then the guys go to suspects place and get rid of the laptop, and a pack with bomb making stuff in it, or something like that.

Nothin' like someone havin' your back after you kill a kid.

[kaiden]

5. 19 year old boys.

[newfie11]

13. Exactly!

[MagickMuffin]

19. Behaving like 12 Year Old Boys

They knew that their "friend" was responsible for killing 3 people and wounding 260 others. They are old enough to understand when you kill, and maim others with the intention of causing harm, then you do NOT try to protect your friend from getting into trouble. That is called coverup of a massive crime.

[LisaL]

22. Legal adults, not little boys.

[malaise]

24. I knew right from wrong before I was a teenager

My favorite aunt told me about this lady she knew who was in prison for killing her husband. My aunt couldn't believe that this sensible, 'educated' woman could lose control to the point of killing her husband over another woman. She laughed and said that could never happen to her because self love should kick in and be the key to control. I'm not going to prison for anyone. I love me more than anyone else and I'm not doing time for anyone. I would not be hiding anything linked to a crime even for my hubby.
Sorry.

[Raine]

42. Yes, EXACTLY. You would think self-preservation would've kicked in. nt

[malaise]

43. They must have been hearing the wall to wall coverage

Why on earth would they attempt to cover up for him? Crazy out of this world.
Worse than that - why weren't they attending classes - they had student visas after all.

[Yo_Mama]

39. Who tried to cover up evidence that their friend

had participated in a bombing that killed three people and seriously injured many more? A kid?

This was their initiative, apparently, and the motive could only have been that they believed he had done it!!

This is not being 19 year-old boys, but being 19 year-old criminals. They saw the photos of the suspects, realized it was their friend, went to the dorm and tried to dispose of what they considered evidence against him.

This is not impulsively sheltering your friend when he shows up at your door looking scared and begging for help - this is actively and knowingly covering up multiple murders.

[kiranon]

40. Agree. What part of killing and maiming people including children did they not

understand? Hiding potential evidence in this case is not defensible due to their age. Nineteen is old enough to know that destroying evidence was criminal. Those here on a student visa need to be sent home after their trial.

[cui bono]

64. Yep. This was deliberate action taken, not an instinctive reaction to something where you don't

have time to think about what you're doing.

[arely staircase]

44. 19 year old boys are grown men and responsible for their actions

as these fuckers are now learning.

[Loki]

77. And I have one who is 20.

If I had a dime for every really dumb thing teenage boys did I'd be a rich woman. They have strong loyalties and they don't rat someone out. It's almost like their code of honor, even if they know it's wrong.

[Sheepshank]

83. Pretty sure my 15 and 17 year old would not go to someones apt

take expensive shit and for no other reason than a whim, toss only a laptop and filled backpack into the trash.

The boys absolutley knew they were hiding/destroying evidence and that makes them guilty as hell...and about to learn a lesson in justice and accountability.

[closeupready]

6. Maybe they did NOT cover up. How do we know?

They were arrested. I don't even know for WHAT.

If you've ever served on a jury, part of the instructions you'll receive is likely something along the lines of, "Jurors should keep in mind that an ALLEGATION of guilt is in no way, shape or form EVIDENCE or PROOF of guilt."

Speculating about why - in light of that - is really WAY too premature.

[femmocrat]

10. Charges filed:

'Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev were charged with conspiring to obstruct justice. Robel Phillipos was charged with making false statements, federal authorities said'

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18001437-3-pals-of-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-charged-with-coverup?lite

[closeupready]

12. Ok, thanks. Prosecutors will need to provide evidence of guilt.

And evidence or no evidence, the accused may have valid defenses, including - as mentioned upthread - being duped.

[LisaL]

31. Sounds to me like they admitted going to the room and removing/throwing out fireworks.

What else do you think prosecutor is going to need?

[arely staircase]

45. not just fireworks

fireworks which had been opened and the gunpowder removed.

[closeupready]

63. I've served on federal juries twice. Typically, the jury instructions

from the judge stipulate precisely what kinds of evidence need to be shown in order to reach a finding of guilt on some specific charge. It can be complicated, with multiple steps and lots of input from fellow jurors who may have agendas of their own, or not.

I will say that upon further reading about these three, they do sound guilty of some kind of post-facto mischief. They will get due process, and we'll see.

[DonViejo]

16. Here are two links you can go to and...

read the actual documents filed ( at the bottom of each page)

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/charges-filed-against-2-men-in-connection-with

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/3rd-man-charged-in-connection-to-marathon-bombing

[morningfog]

9. I don't understand at all. Why the hell would

anyone insert themselves into that. Boggles the mind.

[warrior1]

17. isn't that a pressure cooker on the stove behind them?

[socialist_n_TN]

20. Could be. It's the right size and shape of the ones my grandmother had......

(of course that was in the 50s and 60s so they could have changed). But it could be just a big boiler too. I've got one that looks like that one, but it's not a pressure cooker.

[RebelOne]

23. Looks like a big stock pot. n/t

[FSogol]

36. Correct. Pressure cookers are thicker at the top because the gasketed lid locks into place. n/t

[SharonAnn]

21. No, it's not. It's just a big pot like that used for pasta, soup, chili, etc.

[LisaL]

30. Looks like a regular pot to me too.

[malaise]

25. LOL - no

just a pot

[warrior1]

27. .

[graham4anything]

28. Fameseeking thrillkillers looking for extreme springbreaker type thrills and chills

[malaise]

34. In the middle of wall to wall coverage on eery channel

Beyond dumb!

[ljm2002]

37. Had they done the right thing...

...and called the cops instead of trying to protect their friend, a young cop might well still be alive, one of the guilty brothers might not be dead, and a whole lot of trouble could have been avoided.

They had to know what the right thing was: 3 people were dead, hundreds wounded, several people lost their limbs, so many people's lives changed forever... and these idiots thought it would be a good idea to cover for this guy?

They are smart, very smart to forego bail. They are much safer in custody than they would be on the outside.

[rl6214]

38. Very interesting, had not seen that picture before.

[newmember]

41. Will get life

[malaise]

46. No

Five to eight years and they'll probably be deported.
Word is that one owns three BMWs and just bought a fourth one.

[flamingdem]

47. guess now they can live up to that license plate

terrorista1!

[malaise]

48. We loved pranks as teenagers but thkis bunch was out of control

Still shaking head - must have been some entitled pricks at home.

[flamingdem]

50. At least we the taxpayer won't have to foot the bills

Can't wait to meet mommy and daddy of this lot, they may indeed have an interesting backstory. Could it be that they're related to..

[newmember]

55. I don't know about that

The Patriot act is very far reaching .
This is not your ordinary crime of aiding and abetting.
I know they did this after the fact but the FEDS are out for blood and I don't blame them.

[Honeycombe8]

65. And what the hell is that messy stuff they're eating from that bowl? nt

[malaise]

73. Who cares?

[randome]

75. Explosives.

[4Q2u2]

78. Age Defense?

If this was a 17 or 18 year old girl trying to decide to have an abortion or not, People on this site would be up in arms if anybody used her age as a way to try and stop her. Then how in the world are these 3 19 yr old boys not held to the same standard. Are people really trying to defend them by saying "Boys will be Boys" and they are young and stupid? I am pretty sure if these were 3 19 yr old U. S. Servicemen serving in Afghanistan they would be not afforded the same "Boys will be Boys" argument.

[RedstDem]

79. understandable

Doesn't make them evil masterminds, they will be charged for their crime, serve their punishment and move on.
Due to their bond, their belief at the time was that whatever the punishment, its worth it to stand by their friend.