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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:37 AM May 2013

Nutty gun march must not enter D.C.

Strident lovers of the Second Amendment and other right-wingers love to lecture “libruls” and Democrats about the rule of law. And they love to scare their like-minded paranoids that “libruls” and Democrats will do everything in their power to undermine or skirt the law. So I read with interest about Adam Kokesh’s outrageous plan for July 4.

The 31-year-old former Marine and radio talk show host wants to lead armed demonstrators on a march across Memorial Bridge from Arlington National Cemetery around the Capitol, Supreme Court and the White House. Kokesh is calling on the thousands he hopes will join him (as of this writing, the count stands at 2,673) to march “with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny.”

Kokesh plans this to be “an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event.” Fine. Happens all the time. But there’s just one problem. Openly or concealed, it is illegal to carry a gun in the District of Columbia. But that’s no issue for Kokesh. “There will be coordination with DC law enforcement prior to the event,” he writes on his blog. “I will recommend that they do the best they can to honor their oaths and escort us on our route.” Translation: skirt the law.

While Kokesh insists that violence isn’t the protest’s aim, the threat of it lurks on his blog....

Read More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/08/nutty-gun-march-must-not-enter-d-c/

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Nutty gun march must not enter D.C. (Original Post) Robb May 2013 OP
It sounds like that police chief intends to "stand her ground". femmocrat May 2013 #1
She's a tough cookie.... Historic NY May 2013 #2
It sounds like Kokesh will be seeing her shortly too n/t Victor_c3 May 2013 #9
Lanier is the real deal. I like her. Raine1967 May 2013 #28
I really like her too. She is impressive! Glimmer of Hope May 2013 #85
She's awesome!! The rate of violent crimes in the district has drastically declined under her Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #38
From what I've read the chief plans on blocking the DC side of the bridge Mike Daniels May 2013 #45
I am betting she will see to it that these terrorists don't set one foot across the line into DC. kestrel91316 May 2013 #50
This plan has tremendous potential to turn violent . . . brush May 2013 #70
They won't be allowed to congregate near Arlington's gates or parking lots..... Historic NY May 2013 #86
Kokesh is a Paulite. A kook by any definition. nt hack89 May 2013 #3
Its hard to believe this march will happen. aikoaiko May 2013 #4
and guns confiscated and destroyed on point May 2013 #31
I'm pretty sure open carry is forbidden in Arlington National Cemetary Recursion May 2013 #5
and the adjacent areas: Raine1967 May 2013 #34
At the end of the day, they are fucking cowards. Let them stay in Virginia, which celebrates the Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #39
As a person who lives about 10 minutes from Gravelly Point -- I'll sadly take one for the team. Raine1967 May 2013 #42
I'll be out of town this time around, but I'd be interested to see what happens. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #44
What does it say about firecrackers?... PNW_Dem May 2013 #74
Dumb idea. krispos42 May 2013 #6
Dumb as shit, but it sure gets the control people stirred up, even if it's just a fantasy/hoax. N/T DonP May 2013 #7
Yea! So glad it isn't just the bed wetting temper tantrum it seems to be. nt Pholus May 2013 #10
So do you think this is just hoax . . . brush May 2013 #88
Any asshole in his Mom's basement can send out a press release DonP May 2013 #89
Good reasoned response brush May 2013 #92
...from a DUMB-FUCK!!! lastlib May 2013 #23
C'mon. I dare you gun rightists. Rush the city. If you don't, you might as well become eunuchs. onehandle May 2013 #8
That's what I was thinking Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #12
i think thats a terrible sentiment.. iamthebandfanman May 2013 #81
Relax Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #90
Really? A spectre? sarisataka May 2013 #15
Overkill. onehandle May 2013 #41
Overkill... that's not overkill, sarisataka May 2013 #62
I volunteer for that one! Hayabusa May 2013 #87
I believe the U.S. Army would defend Washington D,C. from armed terrorists. xtraxritical May 2013 #51
I heard that 10,000 have already signed up for the march theHandpuppet May 2013 #11
A lot easier to click on something on a website than to participate in geek tragedy May 2013 #14
DCPD is good at show marches. The people who want to be arrested will be told where to stand Recursion May 2013 #17
I imagine for every one who actually goes, twenty will have signed up and flaked. (nt) Posteritatis May 2013 #82
Do some reading on this guy Victor_c3 May 2013 #13
If they're willing to be arrested I have some respect for that Recursion May 2013 #16
DC's gun laws have been effective. Robb May 2013 #19
Ha! Recursion May 2013 #20
Your anecdotal observations notwithstanding, it's true. Robb May 2013 #22
You sound racist, my friend. You might as well have said when we knee-grows leave the city Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #43
Might want to check again... sarisataka May 2013 #27
Since you believe states are the same as cities, I'm not sure how to approach you. Robb May 2013 #30
Outside of the notable example of NYC sarisataka May 2013 #32
Name a state on that list that has LOOSER gun laws than the state it resides in. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #54
So when official numbers don't back you up Downtown Hound May 2013 #66
Arrest would involve confiscating their weapons. No way they submit to that. kestrel91316 May 2013 #57
Sounds like a plus to me Recursion May 2013 #58
/The US Park Police of the National Park Service are charged with crowd control and protecting byeya May 2013 #18
Deploy the national guard if they go through with it. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #21
Everyone needs to keep an eye on them. Saviolo May 2013 #24
That's why I think minimal police presence louis-t May 2013 #63
if they are really serious, I demand they renounce forever their right to Social Security librechik May 2013 #25
Oh. where are the drones when you really need them? Fuddnik May 2013 #26
I don't see how this march can happen justiceischeap May 2013 #29
If it was occupy protesters rainy May 2013 #33
They better rainy May 2013 #35
Since these jackaloons will be fully armed, if there's any violence geek tragedy May 2013 #36
They had to apply for a permit.... loyalsister May 2013 #75
They don't have one and no plans to apply for one. Chan790 May 2013 #83
He probably knows loyalsister May 2013 #84
Put it this way: What if a large crowd of black and brown people decided to bring loaded guns into Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #37
+1 Raine1967 May 2013 #46
I thought that gaspee May 2013 #71
Last time, the state became one of the top gun-control states in the nation. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #55
You know it!! Thanks!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #56
I'm having the wierdest sense of deja vu here... AtheistCrusader May 2013 #61
It may or may not have been me, but the sentiment is the same. I am so furious about this! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #79
I really hope this dosn't happen. life long demo May 2013 #40
I hope they force the arrests (if necessary) in Virginia. They are turning rw and their AG Cuccinell okaawhatever May 2013 #47
Most of these guys are so out of shape they'll poop out half way over the bridge. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #48
Sorry D.C. This nut's from NM fantase56 May 2013 #49
This sounds more explosive situation than Syria, Iran or North Korea. liberal N proud May 2013 #52
Well grandpamike1 May 2013 #53
I am hoping to visit DC for the July 4th celebration this year rl6214 May 2013 #59
I would love to see the police have vans waiting on the DC side of the bridge. Animal Chin May 2013 #60
I am an engineer, and I always gravitate toward a technical solution... CapnSteve May 2013 #64
I would have no pity for these cocknuckle "open carry" types if they were all gunned down. I'd feel Erose999 May 2013 #65
counter-march protest sigmasix May 2013 #67
good luck with your personal fight otherone May 2013 #78
counter-march protest sigmasix May 2013 #68
Fine let em march bakpakr May 2013 #69
Can felonies be punished by unsupervised probation? jmowreader May 2013 #77
July 4th in DC? abelenkpe May 2013 #72
I REALLY hope they DO... iamthebandfanman May 2013 #73
Shh... onehandle May 2013 #76
yeah let em do this marions ghost May 2013 #80
This won't end well. Javaman May 2013 #91

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
1. It sounds like that police chief intends to "stand her ground".
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:42 AM
May 2013

I hope they rethink their plans to enter the nation's capital with loaded weapons.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
2. She's a tough cookie....
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:45 AM
May 2013

I've met her a few times.....she takes no guff, she cuff's them & stuff's them and doesn't look back. I probably will see her next week.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
28. Lanier is the real deal. I like her.
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:55 AM
May 2013

I especially like when she talks questions from residents on one of the local shows here in the DC area. She also does this on the radio --

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
38. She's awesome!! The rate of violent crimes in the district has drastically declined under her
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:11 PM
May 2013

leadership. She is no one to play with.

But, why aren't the federal authorities weighing in? Clearly these people are attempting to incite fear and hatred with their rhetoric. Even the KKK didn't march in Washington, D.C. These people are coming here with loaded guns? Thank God most of the city will be quiet during that time. Only tourists will be around.

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
45. From what I've read the chief plans on blocking the DC side of the bridge
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:22 PM
May 2013

that the loons want to use as an entrance point into the city.

This nut is smoking something if he thinks his band of merry idiots are getting anywhere close to DC with their phallic stand-ins.

brush

(53,871 posts)
70. This plan has tremendous potential to turn violent . . .
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:19 PM
May 2013

. . . or to be a huge flop once the target audience gets wind that the DC police won't go along with such foolishness.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
4. Its hard to believe this march will happen.
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:48 AM
May 2013

But if it does then the price of civil disobedience is to be arrested and prosecuted.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
34. and the adjacent areas:
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:05 PM
May 2013
3. Scope: In general, this policy applies to all visitors, employees, contractors, or any
other person entering an Army National Cemetery (Arlington National Cemetery,
Arlington, VA, and the Soldiers' and Airmen's Home National Cemetery, Washington,
DC). The portions of the George Washington Memorial Parkway that are adjacent to, or
included within the grounds of Arlington National Cemetery are under the jurisdiction of
the National Park Service and U.S. Park Police; visitors to these areas will comply with
this policy if they enter the cemetery grounds, including the Visitor Center parking
garage. This policy does not apply to federal law enforcement officers (LEOs)
conducting official business on Army National Cemeteries. Furthermore, this policy
does not apply to military honor guards and other military ceremonial units (including the
United States Coast Guard) supporting cemetery operations.


http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/docs/Carrying_or_Possession_of_Fireams.pdf

I believe that may include Memorial Bridge.

I suspect this march may end up like the one in 2010... I found pictures of it on the old DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8178239

The irony with that march was that these protesters ended up being bussed to Gravelly Point Park from another park -- because they were told they could not enter DC. They chose Gravelly point as it was the closest park in Virginia to look at DC from.

here is a link from Time magazine at the time: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983214,00.html
 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
39. At the end of the day, they are fucking cowards. Let them stay in Virginia, which celebrates the
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:12 PM
May 2013

Confederacy for an entire month. Let them stay there. They should stay out of the district!!

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
42. As a person who lives about 10 minutes from Gravelly Point -- I'll sadly take one for the team.
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:18 PM
May 2013

They will coward out -- just like they did in 2010. Virginia (Arlington and Alexandria will have to take these damn fools)

It's kinda strange to know this is happening (again) so close to home, literally. Maybe I;ll go get some pictures on the 4th. I generally go to the tidal basin to watch the fireworks and this year we were talking about on walking from the Memorial Bridge down to the Jefferson Memorial.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
7. Dumb as shit, but it sure gets the control people stirred up, even if it's just a fantasy/hoax. N/T
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:56 AM
May 2013

brush

(53,871 posts)
88. So do you think this is just hoax . . .
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:38 AM
May 2013

. . . that Kokesh is throwing out to rile up the gun control crowd, with no intention of carrying it out?
If it is, he's playing with fire.

And has anyone else notice his name is awful close to Koresh, as in David Koresh.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
89. Any asshole in his Mom's basement can send out a press release
Thu May 9, 2013, 10:18 AM
May 2013

I have no idea if he's serious, delusional or just trying to get attention. But neither do the people demanding a full military response or drone strikes on one end of the bridge if anyone shows up. I've been involved in shooting sports for well over 50 years and have never heard of this guy or his organization and there doesn't seem to be anything about it on the most popular gun boards either.

A lot of people on DU seem to have way too much time on their hands and spend it getting all riled up about what "might happen" and demanding it be stopped before anything actually happens.

brush

(53,871 posts)
92. Good reasoned response
Thu May 9, 2013, 11:10 AM
May 2013

Seems like you're an experienced gun safety guy. What's your take on gun control and regulation — whether there should more or less and your reasons, please.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
81. i think thats a terrible sentiment..
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:47 PM
May 2013

for anyone to have...

its not nice to wish death or acts of murder, regardless of your feelings about the people involved...

id rather us not talk or act like they do...

blood thirsty and brainless.

sarisataka

(18,774 posts)
15. Really? A spectre?
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:18 AM
May 2013

That is so twentieth century. This is how we deal with protesters in D.C in the modern day:



onehandle

(51,122 posts)
41. Overkill.
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:16 PM
May 2013

Gun nuts are easily taken down by all sorts of 20th century tech.

Hell, go to a museum and warm up a Sherman Tank.

Hayabusa

(2,135 posts)
87. I volunteer for that one!
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:29 PM
May 2013

I loves me some Sherman tanks.

In all seriousness, all of those armed protestors in DC has gotten me very nervous. Someone's going to get killed...

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
11. I heard that 10,000 have already signed up for the march
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:04 AM
May 2013

Yeah, that's the ticket. Thousands of armed nutters invading the city on July 4th, a huge holiday in D.C. This cannot end well.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. DCPD is good at show marches. The people who want to be arrested will be told where to stand
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:21 AM
May 2013

And will be arrested.

Meanwhile, if it's an average day two or three people will be shot east of the river and they'll have the headlines they want ("peaceful gun owners arrested! dangerous inner-city thugs ignored by police!&quot . Expect whatever poor soul in Anacostia who catches a bullet that day to be lionized like Mary Jo Kopechne.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
13. Do some reading on this guy
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:09 AM
May 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh

I don't agree with everything this guy has done, but he has done some pretty cool stuff. He is very involved in the war protest movement.

He was an absolute idiot for trying to smuggle a weapon from Iraq back to the states though...

He also is a paulie and tried to run for office as a repub in Nevada (I think)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. If they're willing to be arrested I have some respect for that
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:19 AM
May 2013

I'm no fan of the District's gun laws.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
19. DC's gun laws have been effective.
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:25 AM
May 2013

On a per capita basis, it's clearly a safer city than many.



I'd note the preposterously lax gun laws in most of that top 10.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. Ha!
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:27 AM
May 2013

Yeah! I lived there in the 1990s. It was a violence free paradise

And, yes, when you gentrify a city, crime goes down, like happened in DC.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
22. Your anecdotal observations notwithstanding, it's true.
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:28 AM
May 2013

You always seem so interested in hard numbers, until they disagree with your positions.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
43. You sound racist, my friend. You might as well have said when we knee-grows leave the city
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:19 PM
May 2013

crime goes down. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

sarisataka

(18,774 posts)
27. Might want to check again...
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:51 AM
May 2013
I'd note the preposterously lax gun laws in most of that top 10.


2. Detroit- Michigan #11
3. Baltimore- Maryland #7
4. Oakland- California #1
5. Newark- New Jersey #2
8. Richmond- Virginia #19
9. Philadelphia- Pennsylvania #10
10. Washington DC- not rated, known for virtual ban on firearms ownership

http://bradycampaign.me/sites/default/files/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf

sarisataka

(18,774 posts)
32. Outside of the notable example of NYC
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:04 PM
May 2013

the majority of cities follow state law and do not set their own gun control laws. I am not aware of any city which can set laws less strict than the state.

As the majority of the cities are located in states which Brady grades in the top twenty, we may wish to look past gun control as the defining factor regarding homicide rates.

I would perhaps compare poverty rates and social programs with less violent cities. I would also not be surprised if unemployment also correlated. People who have little hope will trend towards more desperate actions e.g. crime and violence

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
54. Name a state on that list that has LOOSER gun laws than the state it resides in.
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:47 PM
May 2013

Some of them aren't allowed to have stricter laws either (Called state pre-emption), but none of them have looser laws than the state. California and New York are top dogs for the most part.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
66. So when official numbers don't back you up
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:12 PM
May 2013

you can always throw out your twenty year old experience to make a compelling argument.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
57. Arrest would involve confiscating their weapons. No way they submit to that.
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:56 PM
May 2013

This isn't going to end well for them.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
58. Sounds like a plus to me
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:58 PM
May 2013

Go to jail and give up your weapon

I've been arrested 4 times for DC voting rights; if they want to do that too, more power to them.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
18. /The US Park Police of the National Park Service are charged with crowd control and protecting
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:24 AM
May 2013

life and property on the NPS sites within DC and surronding area. They have their hands full on July 4th as it is and I will be surprised if they allow armed nutters at the Lincoln Memorial and Washington Monument among the many other national shrines.

Saviolo

(3,283 posts)
24. Everyone needs to keep an eye on them.
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:35 AM
May 2013

I mentioned this in another thread about these marchers. Everyone needs to keep an eye (and hopefully a cell phone camera) on these guys as they march. If one of them turns out to be crazier than advertised and bullets start to fly, it's important that everyone knows where it started.

If their itchy trigger fingers start stuff, it's important that they can't point to the police or guards and say "They started it!"

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
63. That's why I think minimal police presence
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:05 PM
May 2013

at the bridge would work. You have 4 or 5 armed officers block the way with significant backup nearby. If the marchers are stupid enough to start firing, the crazies can't say the police "overwhelmed us an' took our gunssss.!1!!"

librechik

(30,676 posts)
25. if they are really serious, I demand they renounce forever their right to Social Security
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:35 AM
May 2013

and Medicare. If they are veterans they should take themselves off VA.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
26. Oh. where are the drones when you really need them?
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:41 AM
May 2013

It would raise Amerika's collective IQ by about 10 points.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
29. I don't see how this march can happen
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:56 AM
May 2013

Open carry is prohibited in DC, period. Just the act of loaded, open carry is breaking the law.

rainy

(6,095 posts)
33. If it was occupy protesters
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:05 PM
May 2013

They better have the riot police there like they do for occupy groups.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
36. Since these jackaloons will be fully armed, if there's any violence
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:08 PM
May 2013

it'll be live ammunition instead of billy clubs and pepper spray being used.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
75. They had to apply for a permit....
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:43 PM
May 2013

The requirements are pretty specific, and if they violate it, it can be revoked.


CONTENTS OF A PERMIT FOR A NON-FIRST AMENDMENT RELATED PARADE, MARCH, RACE, WALK-A-THON OR OTHER SIMILAR ACTIVITY

(f) The number and size of banners, placards, or other devices, consistent with the information filed on the application, and any restrictions concerning the number and size of banners, placards, or other devices;

(g) The disbanding area and time for disbanding; and

(h) Other information that is reasonably necessary for the conduct of the activity and the enforcement of this chapter.


^ I wonder if they got the permission for guns, or if they ignored H and will claim that there should be a 2nd Amendment permit.


http://www.dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/ChapterHome.aspx?ChapterNumber=24-7

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
83. They don't have one and no plans to apply for one.
Wed May 8, 2013, 07:33 PM
May 2013

Kokech says that is intentional as an act of civil disobedience. He seems to have forgotten the civil disobedience means you're probably getting arrested part.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
84. He probably knows
Wed May 8, 2013, 07:45 PM
May 2013

They probably hope to draw sympathy for getting arrested. That's the usual goal of civil disobedience.
Martin Luther King's arrests have become legendary hero tales.

I wonder if it's possible that they will discover that the public is not on their side? I hope they show up dressed as the NRA convention goers. But, they actually will show up clean shaven or trimmed in every man clothes with some professionals in wall street gear.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
37. Put it this way: What if a large crowd of black and brown people decided to bring loaded guns into
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:08 PM
May 2013

the district, or better yet, into lily-white Falls Church, VA?

I find it infuriating and amazing that these people are going to march in a city where I work and live and have the gall to scream about their rights. Meanwhile, the District of Columbia has no formal representation in Congress and the residents pay high taxes.

I bet they won't march in black neighborhoods in D.C. with their racist bullshit. I wish they would come in my neighborhood.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
46. +1
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:23 PM
May 2013

I have to tell you that moving here a few years ago gave me a MUCH better understanding of what you are saying.

People forget that DC is a place where REAL PEOPLE live. You make an excellent and very very true point.

gaspee

(3,231 posts)
71. I thought that
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:20 PM
May 2013

when a poster upthread said no one will be around in the summer but tourists - and my thoughts immediately went to the people who actually live there without the means to take off for better climates during the summer. You know, the real people. The ones who no one thinks exist. The ones who really make DC run and not the hot air filled congressmen, senators and lobbyists who think they run the place. Let's see how they would do without the people who make the city actually work.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
61. I'm having the wierdest sense of deja vu here...
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:04 PM
May 2013

Did we do this in another thread yesterday?

Edit: Nevermind, similar conversation, but with a different poster.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
47. I hope they force the arrests (if necessary) in Virginia. They are turning rw and their AG Cuccinell
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:25 PM
May 2013

is running for governor. Let them be forced to take sides on this issue and show their allegiances. It would be the perfect chance for voters of VA to see what their elected officials are willing to do for safety

fantase56

(444 posts)
49. Sorry D.C. This nut's from NM
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:27 PM
May 2013

Tried to run for office here and FAILED. I guess now he wants to elevate his profile.



From the Santa Fe New Mexican...

"Kokesh grew up in Santa Fe, the son of Marla and Charles Kokesh. The elder Kokesh was a California venture capitalist who moved to Santa Fe in the 1990s to buy the Santa Fe Horse Park, but ran into financial misfortunes, including foreclosures on the horse park and his home. In 2009, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission charged him with misappropriating $45 million in investor funds — a case that remains in negotiation. Charles Kokesh recently sold Dakota Arms, a rifle-manufacturing plant in Sturgis, S.D., to the Remington Co.

Adam Kokesh, 31, was dismissed from the Marines in 2007 for protesting the war in Iraq. He was removed from the 2008 Republican National Convention for protesting during John McCain’s acceptance speech. A fan of Ron Paul, Kokesh ran against Farmington oilman Tom Mullins for the Republican nomination for Northern New Mexico’s seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. Mullins took 70 percent of the primary vote, then lost by 14 percent to Democratic incumbent Ben Ray Luján."

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
52. This sounds more explosive situation than Syria, Iran or North Korea.
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:44 PM
May 2013

Some nut-job will pop a few off and the blood bath will be on.

And DC will be full of people.

grandpamike1

(193 posts)
53. Well
Wed May 8, 2013, 12:44 PM
May 2013

Let's just treat them as "Enemy Combatants" and show them the true meaning of what happens to insurrectionists with the full might of the US military.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
59. I am hoping to visit DC for the July 4th celebration this year
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:01 PM
May 2013

Been planning it since last year and I have a concealed carry lic in Texas but I sure as hell would not and will not be taking any guns, loaded or unloaded into the district.

Animal Chin

(175 posts)
60. I would love to see the police have vans waiting on the DC side of the bridge.
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:02 PM
May 2013

Let them come across the bridge, but set it up so that there is nowhere to go after they cross except into the vans.

In other words, the police could use barricades and armed officers to basically funnel the people who walk across the bridge right into the vans.

Turn the "march" into a line...line for waiting to get into the van. Once you step off that bridge (or wherever the official boundary is), your gun is taken away (at police gunpoint) and you are escorted right into the van. Off to the courthouse for an education on what "civil disobedience" means.

CapnSteve

(219 posts)
64. I am an engineer, and I always gravitate toward a technical solution...
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:06 PM
May 2013

...not to pull us off on a tangent, but what if we could rain down tiny magnetic shards on the gun nuts as they cross over the bridge. These little buggers would fall into barrels, gum up trigger mechanisms, etc. rendering them useless.

Now, let's spread the RUMOR that the DC cops are going to do just that, and see how many of the mouth breathers leave their precious "second brides" locked safely in their pickups....

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
65. I would have no pity for these cocknuckle "open carry" types if they were all gunned down. I'd feel
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:09 PM
May 2013

bad for their families, but when you're marching with a loaded rifle your disobedience is no longer "civil" is it?

sigmasix

(794 posts)
67. counter-march protest
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:13 PM
May 2013

There needs to be a counter protest of the actions of these cowards; 1000s of unarmed women, children and men could march from DC, towards the cowards with guns march, and when they meet-up with the gun-coward protesters they should use nonviolent means to block the cowards with guns from making the march to DC, to threaten America with thier gunz.

The Gunz cowards can show the world what they are about as they threaten babies, women and other unarmed Americans with thier oh so sexy gunz in an effort to get everything thier way, like 2 year olds.

They can be stopped by mature, law-abiding citizens dialing 911 to report the presence of illegal weapons in the mob of anti-American gun nuts walking over the bridge.

Unarmed patriotic Americans can use a sit-strike to block these terrorists from crossing the bridge and causing mayhem and murder in the capital with thier gunz.

If I wasnt in the middle of fighting cancer I would LOVE to be there to stand up to these cowardly terrorists and fight thier destructive antiAmerican actions.

This "March of 1000 morons with gunz" is a perfect opportunity for sensible, responsible voices to stand-up to the irresponsibility and AntiAmerican conspiracy theories of these gun nuts. I hope this opportunity to take our country back from the paranoid gun fetish crowd isnt squandered.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
68. counter-march protest
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:14 PM
May 2013

There needs to be a counter protest of the actions of these cowards; 1000s of unarmed women, children and men could march from DC, towards the cowards with guns march, and when they meet-up with the gun-coward protesters they should use nonviolent means to block the cowards with guns from making the march to DC, to threaten America with thier gunz.

The Gunz cowards can show the world what they are about as they threaten babies, women and other unarmed Americans with thier oh so sexy gunz in an effort to get everything thier way, like 2 year olds.

They can be stopped by mature, law-abiding citizens dialing 911 to report the presence of illegal weapons in the mob of anti-American gun nuts walking over the bridge.

Unarmed patriotic Americans can use a sit-strike to block these terrorists from crossing the bridge and causing mayhem and murder in the capital with thier gunz.

If I wasnt in the middle of fighting cancer I would LOVE to be there to stand up to these cowardly terrorists and fight thier destructive antiAmerican actions.

This "March of 1000 morons with gunz" is a perfect opportunity for sensible, responsible voices to stand-up to the irresponsibility and AntiAmerican conspiracy theories of these gun nuts. I hope this opportunity to take our country back from the paranoid gun fetish crowd isnt squandered.

bakpakr

(168 posts)
69. Fine let em march
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:19 PM
May 2013

I'm ok with them marching fully armed. But as soon as they set one foot into an area that it is unlawful to carry then arrest them. Take their weapon, destroy it, prosecute them. But make sure they are prosecuted on felonies. That way once they are convicted they can NEVER lawfully own a gun for the remainder of their lives. That would serve them right.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
77. Can felonies be punished by unsupervised probation?
Wed May 8, 2013, 02:31 PM
May 2013

I don't want them to go to prison, because I don't want to waste scarce tax dollars feeding them. I just want them to lose all their guns and have to answer yes to "have you ever been convicted of a felony".

Also consider: if we throw them in prison they'll think they're Martin Luther Kings of the gun rights movement, going to jail for what they believe in, and doing stupid shit like this will become routine. Massive humiliation - having their guns thrown into a dump truck on the six o'clock news and not being able to get a good job - is a better punishment.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
72. July 4th in DC?
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:34 PM
May 2013

When it's insanely crowded and thousands have gathered to see fireworks go boom boom boom these itchy fingered, paranoid fools want to march around with loaded weapons despite the cities laws on firearms? What could possibly go wrong?


I miss the fireworks in DC. And the museums. Don't miss the humidity tho. Or my ignorant racist POS redneck relatives just south of the potomac. Hey, maybe my sweet racist pampered upper middle class elderly mother will be out there with this group of gun toting loonies and I'll see her on TV! Won't that be a proud moment?

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
73. I REALLY hope they DO...
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:40 PM
May 2013

because I can think of nothing better to reinforce their nuttiness than the imagine of thousands of mostly white folks (some of which will look like skinheads im sure) walking around with weapons out in our nations capital.

I think itd be good for the country to see how far they will go.. whats the next step they'll take?


I think this is the greatest thing that could ever happen for gun control folks, personally

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
80. yeah let em do this
Wed May 8, 2013, 04:28 PM
May 2013

there's kind of an irony that, as some 4th of July events are cancelled due to "austerity", Washington will be invaded by vigilantes with guns...protecting their "rights" and completely oblivious to how their rights are REALLY being trampled.

Murka the not so beautiful

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
91. This won't end well.
Thu May 9, 2013, 10:52 AM
May 2013

I suspect, there will be a few in that "march" who will think this their actions, god forbid, will start an "uprising".

morons with guns.

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