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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNutty gun march must not enter D.C.
The 31-year-old former Marine and radio talk show host wants to lead armed demonstrators on a march across Memorial Bridge from Arlington National Cemetery around the Capitol, Supreme Court and the White House. Kokesh is calling on the thousands he hopes will join him (as of this writing, the count stands at 2,673) to march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny.
Kokesh plans this to be an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. Fine. Happens all the time. But theres just one problem. Openly or concealed, it is illegal to carry a gun in the District of Columbia. But thats no issue for Kokesh. There will be coordination with DC law enforcement prior to the event, he writes on his blog. I will recommend that they do the best they can to honor their oaths and escort us on our route. Translation: skirt the law.
While Kokesh insists that violence isnt the protests aim, the threat of it lurks on his blog....
Read More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/08/nutty-gun-march-must-not-enter-d-c/
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)I hope they rethink their plans to enter the nation's capital with loaded weapons.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)I've met her a few times.....she takes no guff, she cuff's them & stuff's them and doesn't look back. I probably will see her next week.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I especially like when she talks questions from residents on one of the local shows here in the DC area. She also does this on the radio --
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)leadership. She is no one to play with.
But, why aren't the federal authorities weighing in? Clearly these people are attempting to incite fear and hatred with their rhetoric. Even the KKK didn't march in Washington, D.C. These people are coming here with loaded guns? Thank God most of the city will be quiet during that time. Only tourists will be around.
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)that the loons want to use as an entrance point into the city.
This nut is smoking something if he thinks his band of merry idiots are getting anywhere close to DC with their phallic stand-ins.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)brush
(53,871 posts). . . or to be a huge flop once the target audience gets wind that the DC police won't go along with such foolishness.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)on the VA. side either.
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/docs/Carrying_or_Possession_of_Fireams.pdf
hack89
(39,171 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)But if it does then the price of civil disobedience is to be arrested and prosecuted.
on point
(2,506 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)And by "pretty sure" I mean, "I just read that on their website".
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)other person entering an Army National Cemetery (Arlington National Cemetery,
Arlington, VA, and the Soldiers' and Airmen's Home National Cemetery, Washington,
DC). The portions of the George Washington Memorial Parkway that are adjacent to, or
included within the grounds of Arlington National Cemetery are under the jurisdiction of
the National Park Service and U.S. Park Police; visitors to these areas will comply with
this policy if they enter the cemetery grounds, including the Visitor Center parking
garage. This policy does not apply to federal law enforcement officers (LEOs)
conducting official business on Army National Cemeteries. Furthermore, this policy
does not apply to military honor guards and other military ceremonial units (including the
United States Coast Guard) supporting cemetery operations.
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/docs/Carrying_or_Possession_of_Fireams.pdf
I believe that may include Memorial Bridge.
I suspect this march may end up like the one in 2010... I found pictures of it on the old DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8178239
The irony with that march was that these protesters ended up being bussed to Gravelly Point Park from another park -- because they were told they could not enter DC. They chose Gravelly point as it was the closest park in Virginia to look at DC from.
here is a link from Time magazine at the time: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983214,00.html
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Confederacy for an entire month. Let them stay there. They should stay out of the district!!
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)They will coward out -- just like they did in 2010. Virginia (Arlington and Alexandria will have to take these damn fools)
It's kinda strange to know this is happening (again) so close to home, literally. Maybe I;ll go get some pictures on the 4th. I generally go to the tidal basin to watch the fireworks and this year we were talking about on walking from the Memorial Bridge down to the Jefferson Memorial.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)PNW_Dem
(119 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)Let me enhance that a little... it's a dumb-fuck idea!
DonP
(6,185 posts)Pholus
(4,062 posts)brush
(53,871 posts). . . that Kokesh is throwing out to rile up the gun control crowd, with no intention of carrying it out?
If it is, he's playing with fire.
And has anyone else notice his name is awful close to Koresh, as in David Koresh.
DonP
(6,185 posts)I have no idea if he's serious, delusional or just trying to get attention. But neither do the people demanding a full military response or drone strikes on one end of the bridge if anyone shows up. I've been involved in shooting sports for well over 50 years and have never heard of this guy or his organization and there doesn't seem to be anything about it on the most popular gun boards either.
A lot of people on DU seem to have way too much time on their hands and spend it getting all riled up about what "might happen" and demanding it be stopped before anything actually happens.
brush
(53,871 posts)Seems like you're an experienced gun safety guy. What's your take on gun control and regulation whether there should more or less and your reasons, please.
lastlib
(23,288 posts)Probably a certifiably insane dumb-fuck!
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)Get as many in one place as possible and push the "eradicate" button.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)for anyone to have...
its not nice to wish death or acts of murder, regardless of your feelings about the people involved...
id rather us not talk or act like they do...
blood thirsty and brainless.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)It's a joke.
Mostly.
sarisataka
(18,774 posts)That is so twentieth century. This is how we deal with protesters in D.C in the modern day:
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Gun nuts are easily taken down by all sorts of 20th century tech.
Hell, go to a museum and warm up a Sherman Tank.
sarisataka
(18,774 posts)This is
BLU-82 Daisy Cutter
Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)I loves me some Sherman tanks.
In all seriousness, all of those armed protestors in DC has gotten me very nervous. Someone's going to get killed...
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Yeah, that's the ticket. Thousands of armed nutters invading the city on July 4th, a huge holiday in D.C. This cannot end well.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)an actual armed insurrection.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And will be arrested.
Meanwhile, if it's an average day two or three people will be shot east of the river and they'll have the headlines they want ("peaceful gun owners arrested! dangerous inner-city thugs ignored by police!" . Expect whatever poor soul in Anacostia who catches a bullet that day to be lionized like Mary Jo Kopechne.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I don't agree with everything this guy has done, but he has done some pretty cool stuff. He is very involved in the war protest movement.
He was an absolute idiot for trying to smuggle a weapon from Iraq back to the states though...
He also is a paulie and tried to run for office as a repub in Nevada (I think)
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm no fan of the District's gun laws.
Robb
(39,665 posts)On a per capita basis, it's clearly a safer city than many.
I'd note the preposterously lax gun laws in most of that top 10.
Yeah! I lived there in the 1990s. It was a violence free paradise
And, yes, when you gentrify a city, crime goes down, like happened in DC.
Robb
(39,665 posts)You always seem so interested in hard numbers, until they disagree with your positions.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)crime goes down. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
sarisataka
(18,774 posts)2. Detroit- Michigan #11
3. Baltimore- Maryland #7
4. Oakland- California #1
5. Newark- New Jersey #2
8. Richmond- Virginia #19
9. Philadelphia- Pennsylvania #10
10. Washington DC- not rated, known for virtual ban on firearms ownership
http://bradycampaign.me/sites/default/files/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf
Robb
(39,665 posts)sarisataka
(18,774 posts)the majority of cities follow state law and do not set their own gun control laws. I am not aware of any city which can set laws less strict than the state.
As the majority of the cities are located in states which Brady grades in the top twenty, we may wish to look past gun control as the defining factor regarding homicide rates.
I would perhaps compare poverty rates and social programs with less violent cities. I would also not be surprised if unemployment also correlated. People who have little hope will trend towards more desperate actions e.g. crime and violence
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Some of them aren't allowed to have stricter laws either (Called state pre-emption), but none of them have looser laws than the state. California and New York are top dogs for the most part.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)you can always throw out your twenty year old experience to make a compelling argument.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)This isn't going to end well for them.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Go to jail and give up your weapon
I've been arrested 4 times for DC voting rights; if they want to do that too, more power to them.
byeya
(2,842 posts)life and property on the NPS sites within DC and surronding area. They have their hands full on July 4th as it is and I will be surprised if they allow armed nutters at the Lincoln Memorial and Washington Monument among the many other national shrines.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Saviolo
(3,283 posts)I mentioned this in another thread about these marchers. Everyone needs to keep an eye (and hopefully a cell phone camera) on these guys as they march. If one of them turns out to be crazier than advertised and bullets start to fly, it's important that everyone knows where it started.
If their itchy trigger fingers start stuff, it's important that they can't point to the police or guards and say "They started it!"
louis-t
(23,297 posts)at the bridge would work. You have 4 or 5 armed officers block the way with significant backup nearby. If the marchers are stupid enough to start firing, the crazies can't say the police "overwhelmed us an' took our gunssss.!1!!"
librechik
(30,676 posts)and Medicare. If they are veterans they should take themselves off VA.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)It would raise Amerika's collective IQ by about 10 points.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Open carry is prohibited in DC, period. Just the act of loaded, open carry is breaking the law.
rainy
(6,095 posts)They better have the riot police there like they do for occupy groups.
bang some heads too like they do to peaceful occupy protesters
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)it'll be live ammunition instead of billy clubs and pepper spray being used.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)The requirements are pretty specific, and if they violate it, it can be revoked.
CONTENTS OF A PERMIT FOR A NON-FIRST AMENDMENT RELATED PARADE, MARCH, RACE, WALK-A-THON OR OTHER SIMILAR ACTIVITY
(f) The number and size of banners, placards, or other devices, consistent with the information filed on the application, and any restrictions concerning the number and size of banners, placards, or other devices;
(g) The disbanding area and time for disbanding; and
(h) Other information that is reasonably necessary for the conduct of the activity and the enforcement of this chapter.
^ I wonder if they got the permission for guns, or if they ignored H and will claim that there should be a 2nd Amendment permit.
http://www.dcregs.dc.gov/Gateway/ChapterHome.aspx?ChapterNumber=24-7
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Kokech says that is intentional as an act of civil disobedience. He seems to have forgotten the civil disobedience means you're probably getting arrested part.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)They probably hope to draw sympathy for getting arrested. That's the usual goal of civil disobedience.
Martin Luther King's arrests have become legendary hero tales.
I wonder if it's possible that they will discover that the public is not on their side? I hope they show up dressed as the NRA convention goers. But, they actually will show up clean shaven or trimmed in every man clothes with some professionals in wall street gear.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)the district, or better yet, into lily-white Falls Church, VA?
I find it infuriating and amazing that these people are going to march in a city where I work and live and have the gall to scream about their rights. Meanwhile, the District of Columbia has no formal representation in Congress and the residents pay high taxes.
I bet they won't march in black neighborhoods in D.C. with their racist bullshit. I wish they would come in my neighborhood.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I have to tell you that moving here a few years ago gave me a MUCH better understanding of what you are saying.
People forget that DC is a place where REAL PEOPLE live. You make an excellent and very very true point.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)when a poster upthread said no one will be around in the summer but tourists - and my thoughts immediately went to the people who actually live there without the means to take off for better climates during the summer. You know, the real people. The ones who no one thinks exist. The ones who really make DC run and not the hot air filled congressmen, senators and lobbyists who think they run the place. Let's see how they would do without the people who make the city actually work.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Did we do this in another thread yesterday?
Edit: Nevermind, similar conversation, but with a different poster.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)life long demo
(1,113 posts)Really, really hope.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)is running for governor. Let them be forced to take sides on this issue and show their allegiances. It would be the perfect chance for voters of VA to see what their elected officials are willing to do for safety
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)fantase56
(444 posts)Tried to run for office here and FAILED. I guess now he wants to elevate his profile.
From the Santa Fe New Mexican...
"Kokesh grew up in Santa Fe, the son of Marla and Charles Kokesh. The elder Kokesh was a California venture capitalist who moved to Santa Fe in the 1990s to buy the Santa Fe Horse Park, but ran into financial misfortunes, including foreclosures on the horse park and his home. In 2009, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission charged him with misappropriating $45 million in investor funds a case that remains in negotiation. Charles Kokesh recently sold Dakota Arms, a rifle-manufacturing plant in Sturgis, S.D., to the Remington Co.
Adam Kokesh, 31, was dismissed from the Marines in 2007 for protesting the war in Iraq. He was removed from the 2008 Republican National Convention for protesting during John McCains acceptance speech. A fan of Ron Paul, Kokesh ran against Farmington oilman Tom Mullins for the Republican nomination for Northern New Mexicos seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. Mullins took 70 percent of the primary vote, then lost by 14 percent to Democratic incumbent Ben Ray Luján."
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)Some nut-job will pop a few off and the blood bath will be on.
And DC will be full of people.
Let's just treat them as "Enemy Combatants" and show them the true meaning of what happens to insurrectionists with the full might of the US military.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Been planning it since last year and I have a concealed carry lic in Texas but I sure as hell would not and will not be taking any guns, loaded or unloaded into the district.
Animal Chin
(175 posts)Let them come across the bridge, but set it up so that there is nowhere to go after they cross except into the vans.
In other words, the police could use barricades and armed officers to basically funnel the people who walk across the bridge right into the vans.
Turn the "march" into a line...line for waiting to get into the van. Once you step off that bridge (or wherever the official boundary is), your gun is taken away (at police gunpoint) and you are escorted right into the van. Off to the courthouse for an education on what "civil disobedience" means.
CapnSteve
(219 posts)...not to pull us off on a tangent, but what if we could rain down tiny magnetic shards on the gun nuts as they cross over the bridge. These little buggers would fall into barrels, gum up trigger mechanisms, etc. rendering them useless.
Now, let's spread the RUMOR that the DC cops are going to do just that, and see how many of the mouth breathers leave their precious "second brides" locked safely in their pickups....
Erose999
(5,624 posts)bad for their families, but when you're marching with a loaded rifle your disobedience is no longer "civil" is it?
sigmasix
(794 posts)There needs to be a counter protest of the actions of these cowards; 1000s of unarmed women, children and men could march from DC, towards the cowards with guns march, and when they meet-up with the gun-coward protesters they should use nonviolent means to block the cowards with guns from making the march to DC, to threaten America with thier gunz.
The Gunz cowards can show the world what they are about as they threaten babies, women and other unarmed Americans with thier oh so sexy gunz in an effort to get everything thier way, like 2 year olds.
They can be stopped by mature, law-abiding citizens dialing 911 to report the presence of illegal weapons in the mob of anti-American gun nuts walking over the bridge.
Unarmed patriotic Americans can use a sit-strike to block these terrorists from crossing the bridge and causing mayhem and murder in the capital with thier gunz.
If I wasnt in the middle of fighting cancer I would LOVE to be there to stand up to these cowardly terrorists and fight thier destructive antiAmerican actions.
This "March of 1000 morons with gunz" is a perfect opportunity for sensible, responsible voices to stand-up to the irresponsibility and AntiAmerican conspiracy theories of these gun nuts. I hope this opportunity to take our country back from the paranoid gun fetish crowd isnt squandered.
otherone
(973 posts)best of luck to you..
sigmasix
(794 posts)There needs to be a counter protest of the actions of these cowards; 1000s of unarmed women, children and men could march from DC, towards the cowards with guns march, and when they meet-up with the gun-coward protesters they should use nonviolent means to block the cowards with guns from making the march to DC, to threaten America with thier gunz.
The Gunz cowards can show the world what they are about as they threaten babies, women and other unarmed Americans with thier oh so sexy gunz in an effort to get everything thier way, like 2 year olds.
They can be stopped by mature, law-abiding citizens dialing 911 to report the presence of illegal weapons in the mob of anti-American gun nuts walking over the bridge.
Unarmed patriotic Americans can use a sit-strike to block these terrorists from crossing the bridge and causing mayhem and murder in the capital with thier gunz.
If I wasnt in the middle of fighting cancer I would LOVE to be there to stand up to these cowardly terrorists and fight thier destructive antiAmerican actions.
This "March of 1000 morons with gunz" is a perfect opportunity for sensible, responsible voices to stand-up to the irresponsibility and AntiAmerican conspiracy theories of these gun nuts. I hope this opportunity to take our country back from the paranoid gun fetish crowd isnt squandered.
bakpakr
(168 posts)I'm ok with them marching fully armed. But as soon as they set one foot into an area that it is unlawful to carry then arrest them. Take their weapon, destroy it, prosecute them. But make sure they are prosecuted on felonies. That way once they are convicted they can NEVER lawfully own a gun for the remainder of their lives. That would serve them right.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)I don't want them to go to prison, because I don't want to waste scarce tax dollars feeding them. I just want them to lose all their guns and have to answer yes to "have you ever been convicted of a felony".
Also consider: if we throw them in prison they'll think they're Martin Luther Kings of the gun rights movement, going to jail for what they believe in, and doing stupid shit like this will become routine. Massive humiliation - having their guns thrown into a dump truck on the six o'clock news and not being able to get a good job - is a better punishment.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)When it's insanely crowded and thousands have gathered to see fireworks go boom boom boom these itchy fingered, paranoid fools want to march around with loaded weapons despite the cities laws on firearms? What could possibly go wrong?
I miss the fireworks in DC. And the museums. Don't miss the humidity tho. Or my ignorant racist POS redneck relatives just south of the potomac. Hey, maybe my sweet racist pampered upper middle class elderly mother will be out there with this group of gun toting loonies and I'll see her on TV! Won't that be a proud moment?
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)because I can think of nothing better to reinforce their nuttiness than the imagine of thousands of mostly white folks (some of which will look like skinheads im sure) walking around with weapons out in our nations capital.
I think itd be good for the country to see how far they will go.. whats the next step they'll take?
I think this is the greatest thing that could ever happen for gun control folks, personally
onehandle
(51,122 posts)They have no idea that they are digging their own graves with these actions.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)there's kind of an irony that, as some 4th of July events are cancelled due to "austerity", Washington will be invaded by vigilantes with guns...protecting their "rights" and completely oblivious to how their rights are REALLY being trampled.
Murka the not so beautiful
Javaman
(62,534 posts)I suspect, there will be a few in that "march" who will think this their actions, god forbid, will start an "uprising".
morons with guns.