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Medical researchers? Environmental researchers? People who make the world a better place? No....
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babylonsister
(171,082 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)no public employee can make no more than five times the lowest paid public employee.
bl968
(360 posts)We need the same restrictions on publicly traded corporations as well.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)in *any* state
ProfessorGAC
(65,163 posts). . .and look what he gets paid by comparison. It ain't right, but it is a fact.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and a people.
GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)It drives me nuts to read that bullshit right-wing crap, especially here. The purpose of a business is to produce a profit. Such is not the case for a country.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)Prez gets to bank a higher proportion of salary. No mortgage, no car loan, no gas bill, free eats.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Dumbya makes fifteen million a year or more just giving twenty minute "heh heh heh how you doin'" speeches. Fool me once, won't git fooled agin! The autobiography is usually HUGE money. The post-presidential business opportunities can be astounding if a person is in the mood to get richer.
I think the relatively modest salary in comparison to their CEO peers is to establish a "top end" range for SES employees. Those guys can make big money after they leave civil service, too, but no one wants their autobiography and they aren't quite as 'in demand' when it comes to speechifying...!
cui bono
(19,926 posts)how to put food on their family and how to not get fooled again.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)lastlib
(23,280 posts)...and what is his annual income compared to W's.......
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's raised a bundle for Habitat, though. He's written several best-selling books as well.
Interesting article on Presidential net worth: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/21/the-net-worth-of-the-amer_n_825939.html
Kennedy and Johnson certainly weren't pikers; here's the net worth of Carter on forward:
Ronald Wilson Reagan, (1981-1989), $13 Million, Reagan had no inheritance, but his first wife, an actress, had her own money. He was a movie and television actor for over two decades. "The Gipper" owned several pieces of real estate over his lifetime, including 688-acre property near Santa Barbara, California. Reagan was highly paid for his autobiography and as a GE spokesman.
George Herbert Walker Bush (1989-1993), $23 Million, Bush was the son of Prescott Bush, a Connecticut Senator and successful businessman. Aided by his friends in the financial community, he made a number of successful investments. One of his major assets is his home and 100+ acre estate in Kennebunkport, Maine.
William Jefferson Clinton (1993- 2001), $38 Million, Clinton was born with no inheritance, and he made little significant money during 20 plus years of public service. After his time in White House, however, he made a substantial income as an author and public speaker. Clinton received large advance from autobiography. His wife, the secretary of state, has also made money as author.
George W. Bush (2001-2008), $20 Million, Bush was born into a wealthy family. Over ten years, he made substantial sums of money in the oil business. The largest contribution to his net worth was the profitable sale of the Texas Rangers.
Barack Hussein Obama (2008-present), $5 Million, Obama is the grandson of a goat herder. He is a former constitutional law professor and civil rights attorney. Book royalties constitute most of Obama's net worth.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A business exists solely to make money. A government exists to govern a populace. Two wholly separate concepts.
"It ain't right, but it is a fact..."
It's neither right not a fact, it's merely an opinion that sticks only because the adhesive on bumper-stickers are so effective.
RC
(25,592 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Business es are supposed to make money. The government is supposed to promote the general welfare and so on. Your post title sounds like something from freeperville.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Last edited Thu May 9, 2013, 08:31 PM - Edit history (1)
however, Perry and the Tea baggers cuts to public education have met resistance from HS football lovers. So, thin silver lining I suppose.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)one job for a professional football player in the State of Oregon. Training them for an out of State industry.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)ArtiChoke
(61 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Just figured that out. I am from CT. Love the Lady Huskies but this is ridiculous.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A rather relevant omission...
Thanks for pointing that out!
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Male sports happen to be more popular, so the people who coach male sports make more money.
Also, many of these sports programs are popular, and turn a profit. Where I live, a football coach is the highest paid employee, and that football program makes a few million profit a year, which is used to fund other sports. I have no problem with this.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It benefits you. You "have no problem with this."
Reason people go to more male sports is because we live in a patriarchal society, so everything male is glorified. It's considered better. It was only a couple of decades ago that female sports were funded in schools. Why? Because people like yourself would say, "But people like male sports better, so I have no problem with this."
It's one thing to be privileged. It's another not to see over the fence and recognize when you've been manipulated by the society that raised you. Just like the muslim fathers who kill their daughters for working at Burger King...they have been manipulated by an uber machismo society. So they "have no problem with this." After all, muslim people prefer males working at Burger King.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)First off, I'll admit male sports are much more popular, but what is the solution?
If we didn't fund football, then without the profits, we would have to take funding away from every other sport.
Are you saying we should just defend everything in the name of fairness?
Also, I'll admit the sports I watch are Formula 1, baseball, and football, all male sports. Its just my personal preference, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I think its safe to say we will see a woman formula one driver eventually, and I hope she is successful, we might even see a woman play professional football soon enough, and if she is the best person for the job, then I would want my favorite team to sign her.
DFW
(54,436 posts)In much of America, the public DOES think that it is the football coaches who make the world a better place.
And you wonder why we come across as such boors in so much of the rest of the world. Back home in Dallas, at a company I know, the head of the accounting department is from continental Europe and her number two is from Central America. At least they learned to add and subtract where they grew up, and they write better English than many of the Texans who work under them.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)who teaches how to throw a ball.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They've been doing it for a long time.
pam4water
(2,916 posts)tomtharp
(30 posts)I think NASA is a federal program, not state, nevertheless I bet some coaches do make more than some NASA people.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)But our priorities are way out of balance.
BadgerKid
(4,555 posts)of our country's cultural menu.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)My dad played football... he never beat anyone.
CRK7376
(2,203 posts)I played high school football and college and military rugby for years and have never once hit a woman. But it is very frustrating to see such high salaries paid to coaches when teachers and club sponsors get little to no stipend in our high schools. I know, I taught high school for 13 years and coached Cross Country and Track and Field and my coaching supplement was horrible. Football, Basketball and Baseball coaches and assistance coaches got more than I did coaching my athletes....
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)About as valid as and truthful as "marching bands-- training kids how to be single for the rest of their lives"
Six of one, half a dozen of the other, and both as idiotic as the other. However, I do realize the contempt that may grow over time if one is always picked last for kickball...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)pathetic and just plain old vanilla dumb.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Pushing or shoving or holding on to someone is battery ...legal or not!
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Its a sport, and its part of the rules.
I played football, and one game, where I was defensive line, I was facing a woman who was on the offensive line.
Are you going to claim that I hate women because I knocked her on the ground a few times?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)radicalliberal
(907 posts). . . in a society whose popular culture is saturated with sports.
With all due respect, the following book might shed some light.
Most people don't seem to care.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)I had to prove my worth as a musician the hard way, and I did.
Then my parents found out I was gay and systematically dismantled it all.
I didn't eventually 'win'. The music stopped. I just didn't have any fight left in me.
Yes, it fucking hurts. Still, after all these years.
radicalliberal
(907 posts)I am very sorry this happened to you. Your parents were absolutely wrong! No child deserves to be treated that way! I once had a gay friend (a casualty of the AIDS epidemic) who was one of the kindest and most principled persons I've ever known.
I hate what some parents do to their children! I'm a father. Both of my children are better human beings than I was at their ages. I'm honored to be their father.
I feel like a jerk saying this because words are so cheap. I wish I knew of a support group you could join. I deeply wish you could get some peace. I wish I could reach across the miles that separate us and take that hurt away.
If I were speaking to you face to face, I would give you a big hug.
I think you will find a sympathetic audience here.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)As early as fifth and sixth grade, when we moved into town from out of the country and suddenly there were a lot of students and teachers instead of just two teachers and eight grades in one school.
And jocks are, as part of the "sportiness", mean about everything.
Didn't stand a chance, fatherless and rural and totally outnumbered.
radicalliberal
(907 posts)It's especially hard when the kid receives no meaningful support at home.
Nonathletic boys were forced to take mandatory P.E., which was exclusively centered around sports -- a class that benefited only the athletic kids. Exercise programs were not provided for the nonathletes, who really were the nonpersons in the world of school sports. Their physical fitness needs were considered to be unimportant.
My school district was an affluent one. In fact, it is in the Congressional district that decades ago was once represented by Bush The First; in other words, George Herbert Walker Bush, the wonderful guy who appointed that prince of a character Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court, who is about to participate in the emasculation of the Voting Rights Act.
Anyway, back to the school district: Principals and coaches allowed individual football players to bully other students. Two friends of mine played football at one of the other schools in the district. One of them (who still is a big football fan to the point of being obnoxious about it) recently told me that most of his teammates looked down on all the nonathletic guys at their school as supposedly being inferior. The other one, who played on the same team, also recently told me that he never met a group of guys who were more insecure about their masculinity. He said that some of his teammates were constantly trying to "prove" their masculinity over and over again, usually at the expense of nonathletic guys who had no interest in the sport.
I recently learned about a particularly disturbing incident of bullying at one of the other high schools in the district from two other friends of mine. A former junior high classmate -- someone, incidentally, whom I had admired -- had made the football team at his high school and became arrogant. He ended up tormenting a mentally retarded classmate, which has got to be the most despicable kind of bullying I've ever heard of. He was merely suspended from school for a few days, which must have been like a vacation to him. This is what has really burned me: Despite his despicable misconduct, he still was as popular as ever! If he had been a nonathlete, he would have been subjected to scorn, and rightly so. But since he was a football player, the rules did not apply to him.
Long before I graduated from high school, I had already seen that if a nice kid made the football team, he was placed on a pedestal. If a conceited bully made the football team, he also was placed on a pedestal. Both guys were treated the same. That's sick!
I know there are decent guys in school sports, but they need to speak out against this stuff.
progressoid
(49,998 posts)Iris
(15,666 posts)Yeah, baby! Too many professors "writing books." He would think this infographic is the ideal for higher ed:
http://www.npr.org/2013/05/09/182474603/perrys-vision-for-university-of-texas-criticized
upi402
(16,854 posts)3 cheers!
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)I love factoids like that which show our country's priorities so well.
-- Mal
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)he has a couple of classes to make it legit and the rest of day it`s football.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)question everything
(47,531 posts)that continue to drain public funds and lack of tax money to support orchestras and theaters.
CRK7376
(2,203 posts)and my favorite tshirt to wear on Friday nights is the one that say's "What game, I'm here for the Marching Band!"....
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)The college stadiums are paid through the college.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Actors and TBTF bankers make much more money than coaches.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Not private jobs like actors or bankers. This is just between the local governments, schools, cities, etc.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Historic NY
(37,453 posts)Turborama
(22,109 posts)bobclark86
(1,415 posts)make more than the superintendent or any other staff member.
But we showed them getting that regional football championship! Who cares if three kids are retarded now an no one has ever gone pro, it's still GREAT training for real life! It's impossible to calculate a meaningful probability of pro musician (not garage band, but symphonies) to pro athletes in my crappy, rural area, as the latter is zero and the other is a real number.
CRK7376
(2,203 posts)just finished his 1st year of Grad school in Music Performance (Trombone) and his whole goal in life is to land a symphony/orchestra job upon graduation next year. He was not an athlete, but loved Marching Band, jazz band etc...We live in rural NC and our neighbors don't understand his love of classical music or waht he's going to do with it, where he wants to work...They think he's crazy practicing his horn down in the barn serenading the cows and horses in our neighbors pastures.....
kimmylavin
(2,284 posts)The image of your son playing trombone for the cows and horses - reminds me a bit of Charlotte's Web.
Good luck to him!
My husband and I just bought our tickets for the Hollywood Bowl's summer programs, featuring the LA Phil - amazing way to spend summer nights.
Liberal1975
(87 posts)I'm in the minority but so actually don't have much a problem with coaches salaries. College Basketball and Football are huge industries that generate billions of dollars annually so if you look at it that way it is actually not that bad of an investment. I do agree that it is messed up that the capitalist system skews priorities but you get paid based on the revenue your profession generates (unless you are a CEO, of course)
What really pisses me off is that despite all the money these public institutions make from their sports programs (and what amounts to free labor) tuition and other costs continue to sky rocket for the average student. If they reinvested the money so that more kids could afford to be educated then it would even be a good thing. But of course this is America, I think we all know were the money goes or better said were it doesn't go, to us.
ccjlld
(267 posts)that a lot of these colleges athletic departments are entirely self funded. So the odds are, even though the coach is technically a "public employee", tax dollars do not pay their salary. If your school has a successful football or basketball program, it probably funds all of the other sports at the college. Donations usually help pay for facilities, but I don't know what percentage of tax dollars supplement those costs.
I work at a State University where the football coach is probably the one on the chart. I'm not saying that it's right, but that's pretty much the way it is and it won't change. But I know that when our team was ranked very high several years ago, the applications for admission went through the roof and the business owners in this town love football weekends. It brings a huge amount of money into town.
Purplehazed
(179 posts)Pointed out that out of 228 NCAA athletic depts, only 7 take no money from the school. All the others are subsidized to some extent. So even though these programs bring business to the local communities, it is, to some extent, funded by our younger generation's student loans.
I can't post the link to the article from my phone but it is Googlable. I'm curious to know if any of the billions that college sports generates funds any academics.
Found it. That was eye opening! My school is not one of the one who don't take any subsidy, but they are below 5%.
Here's the link
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2013/05/07/ncaa-finances-subsidies/2142443/
hack89
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Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)no baseball at all, and that is supposed to be OUR thing...
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)Could have been a coach!
avebury
(10,952 posts)I am not at all surprised that the football coaches of USC and Clemson get the highest salaries in my craphole state. Ditto for the head coach over at UGA, where I went to grad school. Meanwhile, I recently interviewed for a state job that paid a whopping $32K, and required a college degree and all sorts of skills and experience. Again, not surprising, given the warped priorities are here.
valerief
(53,235 posts)convince non-rich ppl to (1) die in their wars and (2) not demand a share in the wealth.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It's a violent sport that leads to many injuries and now there's an issue with concussions and head injuries, even though many wear the best helmets.
Then it would be nice seeing those damn football coaches on the unemployment line!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)...I need that smiley where you're laughing and crying at the same time.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I have no problems with that.
Bucky
(54,057 posts)librechik
(30,676 posts)what else could happen?
Education needs to be valued over the Roman Circuses called school sports.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)No wonder this country is in such trouble. Sports are glorified beyond the point of reason.
FUCKING SICK. No wonder our country is rotting from the inside. And they want to cut Liberal Arts so that they can fund MORE FUCKBALL!
A sad and pathetic commentary on American society.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)In 2011-2012, university of texas made 78 million in profit off their football team. That money went into other college programs.
Yes, coaches may make as much as 5 million a year, but is that really a problem? The highest paid coach was Alabama's Nick Saben, at just under 5 million. His program made 45 million in profit. Lets say they cut his pay to 1 million, and he leaves for a better paying job. With a less knowledgeable coach, they will not be as good of a team. Maybe their profit will drop to 35 million.
Now you have 10 million dollars less to fund other activities. How does that solve anything? Would you rather have them increase their tuition, just so a coach is not the highest paid employee?
DonB
(53 posts)As was cotton farming in the south before the Civil War or making blouses in Pakistan is today.
It's truly amazing how much "PROFIT" magically appears when the labor costs of the "PRODUCERS" can be driven down close to zero. If you couple that with all the externalities of these enterprises that are passed off to the general public, and the subsidies they receive from the local, state, and federal government, then these programs make sound bidness sense, if you're a fucking "VULTURE CAPITALIST".
It always amazes me the way uninformed people, to be nice, or deceitful people with personal agendas, to be more accurate, conflate bidness, home finances, social institutions, and government funding when "PROFIT" only applies to one of them and being part of the "GENERAL WELFARE" applies to the other three.
PRODUCERS = WORKERS
Rex
(65,616 posts)Yeah the old canard about PROFIT, funny how that is more important than EDUCATION. To some, it is all about money and has nothing to do with the job of teaching students.
Martak Sarno
(77 posts)Nice slight of hand by the author here. Pull the curtain back.
Maybe he should consider doing an expose on the public funds given to CEOs, Bankers and other Wall Streeters.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't WE, the public, fork over a hell of a lot more public tax-payer cash to these guys than making some big deal about coaches?
At least the coaches are providing a respite from the bull that's being heaped on us by the public money given to the Banksters to continue to screw us...that is, unless you prefer what the Banks and Wall Street do to you over watching sports.
Hey author, it's time to look at what's really channeling "our money" away from our pockets. Pick on those who are really taking the public's cash. Of course, nobody wants to read about how a CEO gets 30 million a year, most of which comes from bailouts, so hacks write distracting stories to piss off people who have conveniently forgot the screwing they take at the hands and other parts of these vermine.
Enjoy sports, unless you want to start a cheerleading squad for Goldman Sucks.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)let's call the whole thing off
Myrina
(12,296 posts)UNH probably. And didn't even make the Frozen Four this year!!! Hmmmpf.
mucifer
(23,563 posts)When Bullwinkle went to Watsamatta U. and played football. The science department couldn't afford test tubes and they were building a beautiful football stadium.
Not much change in our culture.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Television, radio, endorsements, ticket sales, concessions, memorabilia, naming rights and all sorts of other stuff.
Just so you know.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)At least 3 of the 4 states I have lived in have had Med school or College Presidents as the highest paid (New York, NY; Boston, MA; Burlington, VT). The only exception was California. (San Francisco). What a joke.
pam4water
(2,916 posts)Jasana
(490 posts)I just have to say I hate football. I really hate it with a passion and I simply don't understand why so many people are into it. Another popular thread here is about that Tebow guy. Who cares? Tebow, Kardashians, it's all the same useless crap.
And the fact that football coaches are the most highly paid public employees is obscene. (Ditto for all the other sports.) Sports doesn't change the world. Science does. Teachers do. Those people are important.
JackN415
(924 posts)system sets it up this way for a reason. They have to compete for great coaches who can bring victories, which make people feel good... It has value.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,020 posts)(Just reaching for some good news)
Hotler
(11,445 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)In 2011-2012, university of texas made 78 million in profit off their football team. That money went into other college programs.
Yes, coaches may make as much as 5 million a year, but is that really a problem? The highest paid coach was Alabama's Nick Saben, at just under 5 million. His program made 45 million in profit. Lets say they cut his pay to 1 million, and he leaves for a better paying job. With a less knowledgeable coach, they will not be as good of a team. Maybe their profit will drop to 35 million.
Now you have 10 million dollars less to fund other activities. How does that solve anything? Would you rather have them increase their tuition, just so a coach is not the highest paid employee?
radicalliberal
(907 posts)Last edited Sun May 12, 2013, 01:07 AM - Edit history (1)
Cover-ups are the best policy, I always say.
jakefrep
(3,982 posts)This graphic is one of the rare bits of interesting or useful information produced by Deadspin.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)in large amounts of money for their respective schools. Thus paying top dollar for a top coach is simply seen as an investment the same way struggling hospitals will pay top dollar for a financial wizard who can put their institutions place in the black.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Especially given there are only two.