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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. (Original Post) DonRedwood May 2013 OP
That is really sad. nt babylonsister May 2013 #1
I want a new law.... DonRedwood May 2013 #4
We need that for corps too bl968 May 2013 #64
Interesting that the governor is not the highest-paid public employee Art_from_Ark May 2013 #2
Obama Runs A Business a Million Times More Important Than Disney. . . ProfessorGAC May 2013 #9
Except for the part where the United States of America is not a business, but a nation Bluenorthwest May 2013 #10
Thank you! GoCubsGo May 2013 #58
Bush was paid too much. Anyway, ex-prez makes mega bucks in speeches, board directorships, etc. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #50
Presidents--good ones and lousy ones--get it on the back end. MADem May 2013 #51
Well yes, but Bush can teach them cui bono May 2013 #63
... and paint. As long as the painting doesn't have to be good. eom Blanks May 2013 #74
His talent and his IQ seem to both be at about the same level.... DonRedwood May 2013 #87
Yes he has the worlds first negative IQ. eom Blanks May 2013 #93
Is our children learning? He doesn't care! nt MADem May 2013 #76
I wonder what Jimmy Carter's net worth is.......... lastlib May 2013 #85
Carter has made a fortune, but I'll wager he hasn't made it for himself. MADem May 2013 #101
A business exists solely to make money. A government exists to govern a populace. LanternWaste May 2013 #59
Now a days, business exist to make money and government exists to make sure they do. RC May 2013 #66
The government is not a business Doctor_J May 2013 #80
Crazy Marrah_G May 2013 #3
I have always thought our Texan obsession with High School football out of proportion and still do arely staircase May 2013 #5
Well, it is not just texas from the looks of it! DonRedwood May 2013 #8
*groan* krispos42 May 2013 #6
+1000 n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #7
Oregon pays the university football coach more than anyone when there is not even Bluenorthwest May 2013 #11
It's Nike owner Phil Knight's play thing. ErikJ May 2013 #14
One thing left off the map: It's coaches for MALE teams. nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #12
Except for Connecticut. Brickbat May 2013 #21
But he's also a man -n/t ArtiChoke May 2013 #38
It's Geno Auriemma? Jennicut May 2013 #110
A rather relevant omission... LanternWaste May 2013 #60
So? Travis_0004 May 2013 #103
Of course you have no problem with it, TRAVIS. You LIKE the patriarchal society. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #111
Whats your solution? Travis_0004 May 2013 #112
The trouble is DFW May 2013 #13
Sad that a basketball coach makes more than a NASA scientist. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #15
we should be paying the people who make a better mankind more than a person DonRedwood May 2013 #28
Priorities of the elite,....use The Games to keep the people distracted.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #44
+1 pam4water May 2013 #89
which state runs NASA? tomtharp May 2013 #83
One would think Florida would be producing some real rocket scientists. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #84
I Love Sports Liberal_Dog May 2013 #16
Certainly that characterizes the "circenses" part BadgerKid May 2013 #17
Holy. Fucking. Shit. Gidney N Cloyd May 2013 #18
Football = legal battery. Training our future wife beaters. L0oniX May 2013 #19
That's...well... not the most logical of arguments. DonRedwood May 2013 #32
I don't like your generalizaton. CRK7376 May 2013 #39
What does it train women to do? snooper2 May 2013 #43
About as valid as and truthful as "marching bands-- training kids how to be single for the rest of t LanternWaste May 2013 #61
I'm sure OJ would agree with you. n/t L0oniX May 2013 #69
Wow. you come up with one ex-football player who was also an ex-actor cali May 2013 #71
Yea ...I tend to piss off assholes. L0oniX May 2013 #72
No its not Travis_0004 May 2013 #104
Pathetic attempt to reframe. L0oniX May 2013 #113
Somehow I doubt you have much insight as to the problems young nonathletic boys face . . . radicalliberal May 2013 #82
I really wish that had been around when I was in high school. Occulus May 2013 #88
I've got tears in my eyes as I write this. radicalliberal May 2013 #94
I was one of those kids. NYC_SKP May 2013 #96
Needless to say, so was I. radicalliberal May 2013 #107
USA USA USA progressoid May 2013 #20
Rick Perry likes! Iris May 2013 #22
I get foamed up about this regularly upi402 May 2013 #23
That's beautiful. malthaussen May 2013 #24
78,000 plus benefits for a football coach in a small town near where i live madrchsod May 2013 #25
Wow... I wonder what a regular teacher makes there DonRedwood May 2013 #27
Add to this taxpayers money that goes to stadiums question everything May 2013 #26
We are Marching band parents CRK7376 May 2013 #40
Those are professional teams. WCGreen May 2013 #79
I don't believe CA and NY. tridim May 2013 #29
PUBLIC empolyees. DonRedwood May 2013 #30
Got it. nt tridim May 2013 #31
Wow and its not even cops or fireman. Thats huge...here in NY. Historic NY May 2013 #97
Panem et Circenses! Turborama May 2013 #33
The athletic directors at several of my area high schools... bobclark86 May 2013 #34
Our eldest son CRK7376 May 2013 #41
I love that image... kimmylavin May 2013 #48
I have to say Liberal1975 May 2013 #35
My Understanding is ccjlld May 2013 #42
An article in USA today,2 days ago Purplehazed May 2013 #49
Thanks! ccjlld May 2013 #54
Shows an egregious bias against hockey. hack89 May 2013 #36
at least it is represented... Blue_Tires May 2013 #46
I knew I should have paid more attention in PE liberal N proud May 2013 #37
Living in Oklahoma I am not surprised in the least. nt avebury May 2013 #45
Ditto. GoCubsGo May 2013 #55
But sports institutionalize "otherness" and without "otherness" indoctrination, rich ppl can't valerief May 2013 #47
Time to outlaw football. RoccoR5955 May 2013 #52
I almost didn't open this thread. I'm glad I did, in a train-wreckish kind of way... nt MADem May 2013 #53
Awesome line in there: Robb May 2013 #56
My state is college president. ZombieHorde May 2013 #57
As a Texan, I'm outraged... about the hockey thing Bucky May 2013 #62
when you have an anti-female jock society where men call the shots and intellect isn't valued librechik May 2013 #65
+10 RC May 2013 #68
OH, that is just disgusting. Zoeisright May 2013 #67
YEP. Rex May 2013 #70
You do realize college sports are usually profitable, right? Travis_0004 May 2013 #105
PROFITABLE? DonB May 2013 #109
It is a sad commentary about our education system. Rex May 2013 #116
Slight of Hand? Martak Sarno May 2013 #73
You say "respite", I say "distraction" Tom Ripley May 2013 #114
Only ONE hockey coach? The shame!!! Myrina May 2013 #75
Wonderful Bullwinkle episode about this back in the 1960s mucifer May 2013 #77
The football and basketball programs bring in millions of dollars of income from WCGreen May 2013 #78
Hockey coach?! Dammit Canada! Lookitwhatyadid! n/t Inkfreak May 2013 #81
Our priorities are so out of whack. smirkymonkey May 2013 #86
So lays out our sad priorities. n/t pam4water May 2013 #90
I'll probably get flamed but... Jasana May 2013 #91
I don't see anything wrong with this though (I'm not a sport fan). The free market ... JackN415 May 2013 #92
Massachusetts is 'blue' again! FailureToCommunicate May 2013 #95
I have no hope. I see no future. n/t Hotler May 2013 #98
You realize these sports are profitable, right? Travis_0004 May 2013 #106
Those pesky rape victims keep getting in the way of the program! radicalliberal May 2013 #108
The coaches are overpaid and the players are underpaid. jakefrep May 2013 #99
+1000 Tom Ripley May 2013 #115
it might just come down to the notion that winning Football or Basketball teams are thought to bring Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #100
In Oregon I'm sure the big college coaches are paid well davidpdx May 2013 #102

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
4. I want a new law....
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:44 PM
May 2013

no public employee can make no more than five times the lowest paid public employee.

ProfessorGAC

(65,163 posts)
9. Obama Runs A Business a Million Times More Important Than Disney. . .
Thu May 9, 2013, 08:09 PM
May 2013

. . .and look what he gets paid by comparison. It ain't right, but it is a fact.

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
58. Thank you!
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:52 PM
May 2013

It drives me nuts to read that bullshit right-wing crap, especially here. The purpose of a business is to produce a profit. Such is not the case for a country.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
50. Bush was paid too much. Anyway, ex-prez makes mega bucks in speeches, board directorships, etc.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:02 PM
May 2013

Prez gets to bank a higher proportion of salary. No mortgage, no car loan, no gas bill, free eats.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
51. Presidents--good ones and lousy ones--get it on the back end.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:13 PM
May 2013

Dumbya makes fifteen million a year or more just giving twenty minute "heh heh heh how you doin'" speeches. Fool me once, won't git fooled agin! The autobiography is usually HUGE money. The post-presidential business opportunities can be astounding if a person is in the mood to get richer.

I think the relatively modest salary in comparison to their CEO peers is to establish a "top end" range for SES employees. Those guys can make big money after they leave civil service, too, but no one wants their autobiography and they aren't quite as 'in demand' when it comes to speechifying...!

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
63. Well yes, but Bush can teach them
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:15 PM
May 2013

how to put food on their family and how to not get fooled again.

lastlib

(23,280 posts)
85. I wonder what Jimmy Carter's net worth is..........
Fri May 10, 2013, 06:30 PM
May 2013

...and what is his annual income compared to W's.......

MADem

(135,425 posts)
101. Carter has made a fortune, but I'll wager he hasn't made it for himself.
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:43 PM
May 2013

He's raised a bundle for Habitat, though. He's written several best-selling books as well.

Interesting article on Presidential net worth: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/21/the-net-worth-of-the-amer_n_825939.html

Kennedy and Johnson certainly weren't pikers; here's the net worth of Carter on forward:

James Earl Carter, (1977-1981), $7 Million, Carter was the son of a prominent Georgia businessman. He was a peanut farmer for almost two decades. Carter left office deeply in debt, but made substantial sums from writing 14 books. Part of a family partnership that owns 2,500 acres in Georgia.

Ronald Wilson Reagan, (1981-1989), $13 Million, Reagan had no inheritance, but his first wife, an actress, had her own money. He was a movie and television actor for over two decades. "The Gipper" owned several pieces of real estate over his lifetime, including 688-acre property near Santa Barbara, California. Reagan was highly paid for his autobiography and as a GE spokesman.

George Herbert Walker Bush (1989-1993), $23 Million, Bush was the son of Prescott Bush, a Connecticut Senator and successful businessman. Aided by his friends in the financial community, he made a number of successful investments. One of his major assets is his home and 100+ acre estate in Kennebunkport, Maine.

William Jefferson Clinton (1993- 2001), $38 Million, Clinton was born with no inheritance, and he made little significant money during 20 plus years of public service. After his time in White House, however, he made a substantial income as an author and public speaker. Clinton received large advance from autobiography. His wife, the secretary of state, has also made money as author.

George W. Bush (2001-2008), $20 Million, Bush was born into a wealthy family. Over ten years, he made substantial sums of money in the oil business. The largest contribution to his net worth was the profitable sale of the Texas Rangers.

Barack Hussein Obama (2008-present), $5 Million, Obama is the grandson of a goat herder. He is a former constitutional law professor and civil rights attorney. Book royalties constitute most of Obama's net worth.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
59. A business exists solely to make money. A government exists to govern a populace.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:59 PM
May 2013

A business exists solely to make money. A government exists to govern a populace. Two wholly separate concepts.

"It ain't right, but it is a fact..."
It's neither right not a fact, it's merely an opinion that sticks only because the adhesive on bumper-stickers are so effective.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
80. The government is not a business
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:01 PM
May 2013

Business es are supposed to make money. The government is supposed to promote the general welfare and so on. Your post title sounds like something from freeperville.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
5. I have always thought our Texan obsession with High School football out of proportion and still do
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:48 PM
May 2013

Last edited Thu May 9, 2013, 08:31 PM - Edit history (1)

however, Perry and the Tea baggers cuts to public education have met resistance from HS football lovers. So, thin silver lining I suppose.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. Oregon pays the university football coach more than anyone when there is not even
Thu May 9, 2013, 08:30 PM
May 2013

one job for a professional football player in the State of Oregon. Training them for an out of State industry.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
110. It's Geno Auriemma?
Sat May 11, 2013, 07:18 AM
May 2013

Just figured that out. I am from CT. Love the Lady Huskies but this is ridiculous.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
103. So?
Sat May 11, 2013, 02:45 AM
May 2013

Male sports happen to be more popular, so the people who coach male sports make more money.

Also, many of these sports programs are popular, and turn a profit. Where I live, a football coach is the highest paid employee, and that football program makes a few million profit a year, which is used to fund other sports. I have no problem with this.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
111. Of course you have no problem with it, TRAVIS. You LIKE the patriarchal society.
Sat May 11, 2013, 09:34 AM
May 2013

It benefits you. You "have no problem with this."

Reason people go to more male sports is because we live in a patriarchal society, so everything male is glorified. It's considered better. It was only a couple of decades ago that female sports were funded in schools. Why? Because people like yourself would say, "But people like male sports better, so I have no problem with this."

It's one thing to be privileged. It's another not to see over the fence and recognize when you've been manipulated by the society that raised you. Just like the muslim fathers who kill their daughters for working at Burger King...they have been manipulated by an uber machismo society. So they "have no problem with this." After all, muslim people prefer males working at Burger King.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
112. Whats your solution?
Sat May 11, 2013, 10:43 AM
May 2013

First off, I'll admit male sports are much more popular, but what is the solution?

If we didn't fund football, then without the profits, we would have to take funding away from every other sport.
Are you saying we should just defend everything in the name of fairness?

Also, I'll admit the sports I watch are Formula 1, baseball, and football, all male sports. Its just my personal preference, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I think its safe to say we will see a woman formula one driver eventually, and I hope she is successful, we might even see a woman play professional football soon enough, and if she is the best person for the job, then I would want my favorite team to sign her.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
13. The trouble is
Thu May 9, 2013, 08:44 PM
May 2013

In much of America, the public DOES think that it is the football coaches who make the world a better place.

And you wonder why we come across as such boors in so much of the rest of the world. Back home in Dallas, at a company I know, the head of the accounting department is from continental Europe and her number two is from Central America. At least they learned to add and subtract where they grew up, and they write better English than many of the Texans who work under them.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
28. we should be paying the people who make a better mankind more than a person
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:36 AM
May 2013

who teaches how to throw a ball.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
44. Priorities of the elite,....use The Games to keep the people distracted....
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:18 PM
May 2013

They've been doing it for a long time.

 

tomtharp

(30 posts)
83. which state runs NASA?
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:49 PM
May 2013

I think NASA is a federal program, not state, nevertheless I bet some coaches do make more than some NASA people.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
32. That's...well... not the most logical of arguments.
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:45 AM
May 2013

My dad played football... he never beat anyone.

CRK7376

(2,203 posts)
39. I don't like your generalizaton.
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:40 AM
May 2013

I played high school football and college and military rugby for years and have never once hit a woman. But it is very frustrating to see such high salaries paid to coaches when teachers and club sponsors get little to no stipend in our high schools. I know, I taught high school for 13 years and coached Cross Country and Track and Field and my coaching supplement was horrible. Football, Basketball and Baseball coaches and assistance coaches got more than I did coaching my athletes....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
61. About as valid as and truthful as "marching bands-- training kids how to be single for the rest of t
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:04 PM
May 2013

About as valid as and truthful as "marching bands-- training kids how to be single for the rest of their lives"

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, and both as idiotic as the other. However, I do realize the contempt that may grow over time if one is always picked last for kickball...

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
71. Wow. you come up with one ex-football player who was also an ex-actor
Fri May 10, 2013, 03:06 PM
May 2013

pathetic and just plain old vanilla dumb.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
72. Yea ...I tend to piss off assholes.
Fri May 10, 2013, 03:09 PM
May 2013

Pushing or shoving or holding on to someone is battery ...legal or not!

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
104. No its not
Sat May 11, 2013, 02:53 AM
May 2013

Its a sport, and its part of the rules.

I played football, and one game, where I was defensive line, I was facing a woman who was on the offensive line.

Are you going to claim that I hate women because I knocked her on the ground a few times?

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
82. Somehow I doubt you have much insight as to the problems young nonathletic boys face . . .
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:38 PM
May 2013

. . . in a society whose popular culture is saturated with sports.


With all due respect, the following book might shed some light.



Most people don't seem to care.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
88. I really wish that had been around when I was in high school.
Fri May 10, 2013, 06:45 PM
May 2013

I had to prove my worth as a musician the hard way, and I did.

Then my parents found out I was gay and systematically dismantled it all.

I didn't eventually 'win'. The music stopped. I just didn't have any fight left in me.

Yes, it fucking hurts. Still, after all these years.

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
94. I've got tears in my eyes as I write this.
Fri May 10, 2013, 07:37 PM
May 2013


I am very sorry this happened to you. Your parents were absolutely wrong! No child deserves to be treated that way! I once had a gay friend (a casualty of the AIDS epidemic) who was one of the kindest and most principled persons I've ever known.

I hate what some parents do to their children! I'm a father. Both of my children are better human beings than I was at their ages. I'm honored to be their father.

I feel like a jerk saying this because words are so cheap. I wish I knew of a support group you could join. I deeply wish you could get some peace. I wish I could reach across the miles that separate us and take that hurt away.

If I were speaking to you face to face, I would give you a big hug.

I think you will find a sympathetic audience here.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
96. I was one of those kids.
Fri May 10, 2013, 08:54 PM
May 2013

As early as fifth and sixth grade, when we moved into town from out of the country and suddenly there were a lot of students and teachers instead of just two teachers and eight grades in one school.

And jocks are, as part of the "sportiness", mean about everything.

Didn't stand a chance, fatherless and rural and totally outnumbered.

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
107. Needless to say, so was I.
Sat May 11, 2013, 03:32 AM
May 2013

It's especially hard when the kid receives no meaningful support at home.

Nonathletic boys were forced to take mandatory P.E., which was exclusively centered around sports -- a class that benefited only the athletic kids. Exercise programs were not provided for the nonathletes, who really were the nonpersons in the world of school sports. Their physical fitness needs were considered to be unimportant.

My school district was an affluent one. In fact, it is in the Congressional district that decades ago was once represented by Bush The First; in other words, George Herbert Walker Bush, the wonderful guy who appointed that prince of a character Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court, who is about to participate in the emasculation of the Voting Rights Act.

Anyway, back to the school district: Principals and coaches allowed individual football players to bully other students. Two friends of mine played football at one of the other schools in the district. One of them (who still is a big football fan to the point of being obnoxious about it) recently told me that most of his teammates looked down on all the nonathletic guys at their school as supposedly being inferior. The other one, who played on the same team, also recently told me that he never met a group of guys who were more insecure about their masculinity. He said that some of his teammates were constantly trying to "prove" their masculinity over and over again, usually at the expense of nonathletic guys who had no interest in the sport.

I recently learned about a particularly disturbing incident of bullying at one of the other high schools in the district from two other friends of mine. A former junior high classmate -- someone, incidentally, whom I had admired -- had made the football team at his high school and became arrogant. He ended up tormenting a mentally retarded classmate, which has got to be the most despicable kind of bullying I've ever heard of. He was merely suspended from school for a few days, which must have been like a vacation to him. This is what has really burned me: Despite his despicable misconduct, he still was as popular as ever! If he had been a nonathlete, he would have been subjected to scorn, and rightly so. But since he was a football player, the rules did not apply to him.

Long before I graduated from high school, I had already seen that if a nice kid made the football team, he was placed on a pedestal. If a conceited bully made the football team, he also was placed on a pedestal. Both guys were treated the same. That's sick!

I know there are decent guys in school sports, but they need to speak out against this stuff.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
25. 78,000 plus benefits for a football coach in a small town near where i live
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:23 AM
May 2013

he has a couple of classes to make it legit and the rest of day it`s football.

question everything

(47,531 posts)
26. Add to this taxpayers money that goes to stadiums
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:31 AM
May 2013

that continue to drain public funds and lack of tax money to support orchestras and theaters.

CRK7376

(2,203 posts)
40. We are Marching band parents
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:42 AM
May 2013

and my favorite tshirt to wear on Friday nights is the one that say's "What game, I'm here for the Marching Band!"....

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
30. PUBLIC empolyees.
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:41 AM
May 2013

Not private jobs like actors or bankers. This is just between the local governments, schools, cities, etc.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
34. The athletic directors at several of my area high schools...
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:03 AM
May 2013

make more than the superintendent or any other staff member.

But we showed them getting that regional football championship! Who cares if three kids are retarded now an no one has ever gone pro, it's still GREAT training for real life! It's impossible to calculate a meaningful probability of pro musician (not garage band, but symphonies) to pro athletes in my crappy, rural area, as the latter is zero and the other is a real number.

CRK7376

(2,203 posts)
41. Our eldest son
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:48 AM
May 2013

just finished his 1st year of Grad school in Music Performance (Trombone) and his whole goal in life is to land a symphony/orchestra job upon graduation next year. He was not an athlete, but loved Marching Band, jazz band etc...We live in rural NC and our neighbors don't understand his love of classical music or waht he's going to do with it, where he wants to work...They think he's crazy practicing his horn down in the barn serenading the cows and horses in our neighbors pastures.....

kimmylavin

(2,284 posts)
48. I love that image...
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:48 PM
May 2013

The image of your son playing trombone for the cows and horses - reminds me a bit of Charlotte's Web.
Good luck to him!

My husband and I just bought our tickets for the Hollywood Bowl's summer programs, featuring the LA Phil - amazing way to spend summer nights.

Liberal1975

(87 posts)
35. I have to say
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:13 AM
May 2013

I'm in the minority but so actually don't have much a problem with coaches salaries. College Basketball and Football are huge industries that generate billions of dollars annually so if you look at it that way it is actually not that bad of an investment. I do agree that it is messed up that the capitalist system skews priorities but you get paid based on the revenue your profession generates (unless you are a CEO, of course)
What really pisses me off is that despite all the money these public institutions make from their sports programs (and what amounts to free labor) tuition and other costs continue to sky rocket for the average student. If they reinvested the money so that more kids could afford to be educated then it would even be a good thing. But of course this is America, I think we all know were the money goes or better said were it doesn't go, to us.

ccjlld

(267 posts)
42. My Understanding is
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:50 AM
May 2013

that a lot of these colleges athletic departments are entirely self funded. So the odds are, even though the coach is technically a "public employee", tax dollars do not pay their salary. If your school has a successful football or basketball program, it probably funds all of the other sports at the college. Donations usually help pay for facilities, but I don't know what percentage of tax dollars supplement those costs.

I work at a State University where the football coach is probably the one on the chart. I'm not saying that it's right, but that's pretty much the way it is and it won't change. But I know that when our team was ranked very high several years ago, the applications for admission went through the roof and the business owners in this town love football weekends. It brings a huge amount of money into town.

Purplehazed

(179 posts)
49. An article in USA today,2 days ago
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:01 PM
May 2013

Pointed out that out of 228 NCAA athletic depts, only 7 take no money from the school. All the others are subsidized to some extent. So even though these programs bring business to the local communities, it is, to some extent, funded by our younger generation's student loans.

I can't post the link to the article from my phone but it is Googlable. I'm curious to know if any of the billions that college sports generates funds any academics.

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
55. Ditto.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:24 PM
May 2013

I am not at all surprised that the football coaches of USC and Clemson get the highest salaries in my craphole state. Ditto for the head coach over at UGA, where I went to grad school. Meanwhile, I recently interviewed for a state job that paid a whopping $32K, and required a college degree and all sorts of skills and experience. Again, not surprising, given the warped priorities are here.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
47. But sports institutionalize "otherness" and without "otherness" indoctrination, rich ppl can't
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:35 PM
May 2013

convince non-rich ppl to (1) die in their wars and (2) not demand a share in the wealth.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
52. Time to outlaw football.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:13 PM
May 2013

It's a violent sport that leads to many injuries and now there's an issue with concussions and head injuries, even though many wear the best helmets.

Then it would be nice seeing those damn football coaches on the unemployment line!

Robb

(39,665 posts)
56. Awesome line in there:
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:31 PM
May 2013
"You may have heard that the highest-paid employee in each state is usually the football coach at the largest state school. This is actually a gross mischaracterization: Sometimes it is the basketball coach."

...I need that smiley where you're laughing and crying at the same time.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
65. when you have an anti-female jock society where men call the shots and intellect isn't valued
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:26 PM
May 2013

what else could happen?

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
67. OH, that is just disgusting.
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:51 PM
May 2013

No wonder this country is in such trouble. Sports are glorified beyond the point of reason.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
70. YEP.
Fri May 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
May 2013

FUCKING SICK. No wonder our country is rotting from the inside. And they want to cut Liberal Arts so that they can fund MORE FUCKBALL!

A sad and pathetic commentary on American society.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
105. You do realize college sports are usually profitable, right?
Sat May 11, 2013, 03:00 AM
May 2013

In 2011-2012, university of texas made 78 million in profit off their football team. That money went into other college programs.

Yes, coaches may make as much as 5 million a year, but is that really a problem? The highest paid coach was Alabama's Nick Saben, at just under 5 million. His program made 45 million in profit. Lets say they cut his pay to 1 million, and he leaves for a better paying job. With a less knowledgeable coach, they will not be as good of a team. Maybe their profit will drop to 35 million.

Now you have 10 million dollars less to fund other activities. How does that solve anything? Would you rather have them increase their tuition, just so a coach is not the highest paid employee?

 

DonB

(53 posts)
109. PROFITABLE?
Sat May 11, 2013, 07:12 AM
May 2013

As was cotton farming in the south before the Civil War or making blouses in Pakistan is today.

It's truly amazing how much "PROFIT" magically appears when the labor costs of the "PRODUCERS" can be driven down close to zero. If you couple that with all the externalities of these enterprises that are passed off to the general public, and the subsidies they receive from the local, state, and federal government, then these programs make sound bidness sense, if you're a fucking "VULTURE CAPITALIST".

It always amazes me the way uninformed people, to be nice, or deceitful people with personal agendas, to be more accurate, conflate bidness, home finances, social institutions, and government funding when "PROFIT" only applies to one of them and being part of the "GENERAL WELFARE" applies to the other three.

PRODUCERS = WORKERS

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
116. It is a sad commentary about our education system.
Sat May 11, 2013, 05:36 PM
May 2013

Yeah the old canard about PROFIT, funny how that is more important than EDUCATION. To some, it is all about money and has nothing to do with the job of teaching students.

Martak Sarno

(77 posts)
73. Slight of Hand?
Fri May 10, 2013, 03:20 PM
May 2013

Nice slight of hand by the author here. Pull the curtain back.

Maybe he should consider doing an expose on the public funds given to CEOs, Bankers and other Wall Streeters.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't WE, the public, fork over a hell of a lot more public tax-payer cash to these guys than making some big deal about coaches?

At least the coaches are providing a respite from the bull that's being heaped on us by the public money given to the Banksters to continue to screw us...that is, unless you prefer what the Banks and Wall Street do to you over watching sports.

Hey author, it's time to look at what's really channeling "our money" away from our pockets. Pick on those who are really taking the public's cash. Of course, nobody wants to read about how a CEO gets 30 million a year, most of which comes from bailouts, so hacks write distracting stories to piss off people who have conveniently forgot the screwing they take at the hands and other parts of these vermine.

Enjoy sports, unless you want to start a cheerleading squad for Goldman Sucks.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
75. Only ONE hockey coach? The shame!!!
Fri May 10, 2013, 03:49 PM
May 2013

UNH probably. And didn't even make the Frozen Four this year!!! Hmmmpf.

mucifer

(23,563 posts)
77. Wonderful Bullwinkle episode about this back in the 1960s
Fri May 10, 2013, 04:32 PM
May 2013

When Bullwinkle went to Watsamatta U. and played football. The science department couldn't afford test tubes and they were building a beautiful football stadium.



Not much change in our culture.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
78. The football and basketball programs bring in millions of dollars of income from
Fri May 10, 2013, 04:51 PM
May 2013

Television, radio, endorsements, ticket sales, concessions, memorabilia, naming rights and all sorts of other stuff.

Just so you know.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
86. Our priorities are so out of whack.
Fri May 10, 2013, 06:34 PM
May 2013

At least 3 of the 4 states I have lived in have had Med school or College Presidents as the highest paid (New York, NY; Boston, MA; Burlington, VT). The only exception was California. (San Francisco). What a joke.

Jasana

(490 posts)
91. I'll probably get flamed but...
Fri May 10, 2013, 07:05 PM
May 2013

I just have to say I hate football. I really hate it with a passion and I simply don't understand why so many people are into it. Another popular thread here is about that Tebow guy. Who cares? Tebow, Kardashians, it's all the same useless crap.

And the fact that football coaches are the most highly paid public employees is obscene. (Ditto for all the other sports.) Sports doesn't change the world. Science does. Teachers do. Those people are important.

 

JackN415

(924 posts)
92. I don't see anything wrong with this though (I'm not a sport fan). The free market ...
Fri May 10, 2013, 07:07 PM
May 2013

system sets it up this way for a reason. They have to compete for great coaches who can bring victories, which make people feel good... It has value.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
106. You realize these sports are profitable, right?
Sat May 11, 2013, 03:02 AM
May 2013

In 2011-2012, university of texas made 78 million in profit off their football team. That money went into other college programs.

Yes, coaches may make as much as 5 million a year, but is that really a problem? The highest paid coach was Alabama's Nick Saben, at just under 5 million. His program made 45 million in profit. Lets say they cut his pay to 1 million, and he leaves for a better paying job. With a less knowledgeable coach, they will not be as good of a team. Maybe their profit will drop to 35 million.

Now you have 10 million dollars less to fund other activities. How does that solve anything? Would you rather have them increase their tuition, just so a coach is not the highest paid employee?

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
108. Those pesky rape victims keep getting in the way of the program!
Sat May 11, 2013, 05:03 AM
May 2013

Last edited Sun May 12, 2013, 01:07 AM - Edit history (1)

Cover-ups are the best policy, I always say.

jakefrep

(3,982 posts)
99. The coaches are overpaid and the players are underpaid.
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:04 PM
May 2013

This graphic is one of the rare bits of interesting or useful information produced by Deadspin.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
100. it might just come down to the notion that winning Football or Basketball teams are thought to bring
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:47 PM
May 2013

in large amounts of money for their respective schools. Thus paying top dollar for a top coach is simply seen as an investment the same way struggling hospitals will pay top dollar for a financial wizard who can put their institutions place in the black.

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