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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/22/colorado-man-opens-fire-on-officer-with-ar-15-at-traffic-stop-for-no-headlights/A Colorado man is in critical condition on Wednesday after he used an AR-15 assault rifle to fire at an officer and then was shot himself.
A Longmont Police Department press release obtained by the Coloradoan said that the 36-year-old police officer had stopped the suspect at about 2:15 a.m. on Tuesday for driving without headlights.
The suspect got out of his vehicle and advanced on the officer and began firing multiple rounds at the officer with an AR-15-style rifle, the statement said.
The officer returned fire, hitting the man three or more times. The department said that the officer had not been injured in the shoot out.
sinkingfeeling
(51,476 posts)get stopped for a traffic violation.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)to check your headlights! I hear the black helicopters were out checking wind shield wipers last week!
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Maybe he thought the officer was stopping him to grab his gun(s)!
valerief
(53,235 posts)this never would have happened.
Guns are magic like that.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)This rube pulls out his gun - KNOWING the person (a cop) he's drawing on is likely to be packin' as well. So much for that theory that folks would be less likely to shoot if they thought they'd receive fire in return!
tblue
(16,350 posts)caledesi
(11,903 posts)tiny elvis
(979 posts)sounds like he did not have proper weapons training
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)whether it be drunk driving, shop lifting, robbery, etc.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Yeah you might be within the law (likely enacted with help/pressure from NRA types), but it is still irresponsible and a problem for the rest of us.
Leave your guns at home and play with them there, accumulate responsibly, and don't support those who promote more guns in more places.
premium
(3,731 posts)So predictable, you're like a clock, right on time.
You don't get to determine what's right for me and my family anymore than I get to determine what's right for you and your family.
adieu
(1,009 posts)we, the citizens do get to determine what's right for you and your family. We have laws on wearing seat belts, driving at a certain speed limit; laws on how heavy a load a person is allowed to carry. These laws are broken all the time, mind you, but they're there. That should be no different for laws on guns being carried about.
premium
(3,731 posts)Carrying guns in my state is perfectly legal, Hoyt lives in GA, he has no say in NV., so he has no say in what's good for my family.
otohara
(24,135 posts)do you have to be a certain age in NV to carry a gun?
premium
(3,731 posts)and 18 for a rifle.
otohara
(24,135 posts)Gal in my state shot her face off last week with her new rifle - 22 year old bought into to the garbage about Obama taking guns away so she had to go buy one by golly.
premium
(3,731 posts)what you probably mean is a semi auto AR-15, and yes, the age limit is the same, but why anyone would carry one in public, except for hunting, is beyond me.
Pelican
(1,156 posts)Doesn't it bother you that he is scared out of his mind? You insensitive meanie...
Kingofalldems
(38,489 posts)Post reads like something Limbaugh would say.
Megalo_Man
(88 posts)Not the other way around.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Practicing on targets that resemble humans; posing in front of mirrors while practicing quick draw; choosing the best loads for killing someone; supporting right wing, bigoted organizations like the NRA (as a dues paying member, or free-rider); etc.; are irresponsible in my opinion.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)He's like a swiss watch, always on time.
You gunners are right on script this morning. Your "cold dead hands" shtick is right out of the NRA playbook...
premium
(3,731 posts)back atcha.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)but clearly I needed to add this for you.
premium
(3,731 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)The wit and wisdom to which I referred! Brilliant! Stellar! Off the charts!
premium
(3,731 posts)and I'll say the same of you.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)BTW, have people mentioned your problem with willful blindness before?
premium
(3,731 posts)but I was too blind to see it.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Too bad no one can see it except you.
BTW, I am willing to bet money that you are unable to let someone else have the last word in an exchange.
three....two....one....we haz a winner!
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Kingofalldems
(38,489 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,489 posts)Don't like it?
Contact the Admins.
premium
(3,731 posts)I don't go running to the admins for such a trivial matter.
Kingofalldems
(38,489 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)2 months here, and more than a thousand posts, most in the Gungeon is sort of a flag. We've had a lot of conservatives coming on this site in the last 7 months who hide out and post mostly in the gungeon. And knowing and commenting on a long-time DUers (Hoyt's) posting habits might be indicative of someone who's been banned and is back under another name.
On a public forum, every comment is potentially everyone's business, so expect anyone and everyone to jump in.
niyad
(113,587 posts)curious. as this is a public board, everything that goes on here IS our business.
Megalo_Man
(88 posts)And being prepared to defend yourself is not irresponsible. I'm certainly not going to shoot someone with an underpowered load. Its also kind of a good idea to be shooting at targets that resemble people because.. last I checked, people are usually the things that intend to cause harm to other people. But if you can find me a pit bull target.. let me know.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Yea, I know you wear a seat belt. Of course, the chances of an accident are much greater than being a situation where a gun is needed.
Do you carry a defibrillator? It is much more likely you will need one of those.
Are ads like this effective on you and your gun buddies?
Megalo_Man
(88 posts)Training.and preparing for it made the difference between me losing my life.
I also happen to live in Philly where these highly unlikely events you never hear about hear about are a lot more likely. If you want to live in a fantasy world by all means do so. I will live in reality.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I've been in situations too, even had guns pulled on me a few times, but luckily handled the situation without anyone getting shot, or another gun escalating the situation.
96% of the population can walk out of their house without carrying a gun to fight off the evil demons that some think exist.
If you want to live in fear -- that only a gun will save you -- go ahead.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)oh, I don't know, Jodi Arias?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)this gun would stop an unarmed teenager trying to steal my cd player," or anything like that. Don't promote guns, don't get giddy when someone posts the latest and greatest lethal weapons and accessories, don't promote NRA type right wing BS, etc.
You love/worship guns, so nothing you say with respect to guns is objective.
You can't envision life without them and will spin things as much as needed to rationalize owning and using them personally, while promoting more and more guns in more and more places. So you -- and your similarly addicted gun buddies -- are hardly credible.
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truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Are you claiming you never learned to shoot that 1911? They're not really useful for
hunting, you know.
Hoyt, Hoyt, Hoyt...listening to you on the subject of guns is like listening to Pat Robertson on
the cause of, well, anything.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)You too could evolve.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...and waffle about the subject when confronted with your own words.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I am familiar with guns since an early age. Fortunately, able to have long outgrown the appeal/worship common among the gun cultists here.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)No one here does. So when you say one thing at one time and say something that contradicts
your first statement later, or make some wild claim that you know all you need to know
about a large group because you've met a few members of same (all without evidence, mind you)...
well, frankly, you deserve to be met with skepticism.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)I make those cracks about 'the Pat Robertson of gun control advocacy' for a reason-
you and Preacher Pat share the same standards of accuracy...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Pelican
(1,156 posts)You can think of no situation where shooting someone may be either a) responsible or b) a moral imperative?
premium
(3,731 posts)anyone who owns a gun is either a yahoo who practices shooting unarmed teenagers, who shoves a gun down their pants and goes into Chuckie Cheese, stand in front of a mirror and practices their quick draw, etc, etc.
He's pure comedy gold.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Unless it was an ARpistol, but I'm sure you really don't care as long as you get your talking points in.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)And please don't show me.
otohara
(24,135 posts)studies, well, when gun studies were allowed stated carrying gun in your car will make you more aggressive towards others -
Scares the shit out of me knowing so many macho types are driving around with their weapons.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)for a road rage shooting. I think he was sentenced to 10 years.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022056316
The bastions of responsible, law-abiding gun ownership sure seem to have a sordid history.
otohara
(24,135 posts)now that 1/2 the state of Colorado owns guns.
i was seriously terrified the other night walking to see my kid do his magic at a fashion show.
I was walking two blocks to get to the venue - there are a bunch of night clubs on this street and lots of folks mulling
around - some kinda drunk. There was a shooting at one of the clubs 2010 - Some kid started walking with me and questioning me - being kind of a jerk. I would have ran to my car if it weren't for this darn brace -
I will never go down there again at night.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts). . . I can't tell the "responsible gun owners" from the James Holmeses until the firing begins.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)have a right to own these weapons?
Idiots with high powered weapons.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)caledesi
(11,903 posts)If these idiots want to use military weapons and not meant to kill ppl...
If this all true, my answer is to rent from a gallery, you can fire with anything. If it is true , then shoot til your hearts content ppl DON'T DIE! ... can have any gun you want AK-xxx and oodles of magazines.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)On ivory plates.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Have we hit all the buttons by now? I've lost track.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)that's still in the 2nd amendment right?
AndyA
(16,993 posts)They'll come up with all kinds of stories to justify exactly "what" a "militia" is in "today's terms."
Also, please ignore the fact that weapon technology has advanced considerably over the centuries, and the 2A hasn't been touched to reflect this. They'll want you to believe that the founders intended for citizens to have as much fire power as the highly-trained military our government spends billions on every year, with no limits, no checks, no restrictions, and that the 2A rights supersede all of the other rights the founders documented.
So, if the founders were alive and walking around today, they'd be OK with things the way they are--all the mass shootings, numerous accidents, and all the other catastrophes that go with gun ownership would be hunky-dory with them. Got it?
rl6214
(8,142 posts)And part of the second amendment WAS to ensure that citizens DID have the same firepower as the govt as arms.
AndyA
(16,993 posts)The NRA is a never ending source for talking points, though.
Enjoy things as they are while they last. Things are going to change. It's already started. With every mass shooting, more and more people will demand change.
Nice to know you place the right to bear arms above all others, including life. Strange that you haven't realized that without life, you don't need any rights.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)".....part of the second amendment WAS to ensure that citizens DID have the same firepower as the govt as arms."
Are you trying to say that citizens should own tanks, armored personnel carriers, killer drones (with missiles!), cluster bombs, etc?
I can just see the bumper stickers now: "When killer drones are outlawed, only outlaws will have killer drones!
jmg257
(11,996 posts)& were disciplined & organized so they could be fairly effective as a fighting force; training to be done by the states according to federal guidelines, often enough to entitle them to the character of "a well regulated militia".
Quite an obsolete intent - for a while now, what with the National Guard, our huge Standing Armies, and no duty to enroll &/or muster.
niyad
(113,587 posts)it makes for easier understanding. for example, what in the hell is a "we'll regulated" militia? a we all militia? a we will militia? what does that mean?
hack89
(39,171 posts)The President has accepted reality - it is time to move on.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)President Obama while in Mexico: "Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States. I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms. And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will. But at the same time, as Ive said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people. That can save lives here in Mexico and back home in the United States. Its the right thing to do."
I think/hope Obama, like many of us, consider those who covet assault type weapons and accessories, accumulate many guns, practice to shoot people, promote more guns, etc., as falling within the category of DANGEROUS PEOPLE.
In my opinion, the next time some yahoo tries to buy an assault weapon or accessory (especially if it adds to their weapons cache), the National Instant Criminal Background Check System should immediately tag them as a Dangerous Person, unfit to own guns.
hack89
(39,171 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)niyad
(113,587 posts)idiot, and a bad shot. oh, yeah, just the sort of person who should have one of those things.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Suicide by cop.
I can't imagine someone at close range missing with an automatic weapon no matter how bad a shot they are.
premium
(3,731 posts)that said, you're probably right, suicide by cop.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Drunk and carrying a gun whose only use is killing people makes it more likely he probably had a warrant out for his arrest and didn't want to be arrested.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Officer + sidearm > Idiot + AR15.
malaise
(269,193 posts)on this one
byeya
(2,842 posts)Heavily armed people with the ability to outgun law enforcement officers during routine assignments.
I hate to see cops look like soldiers - hardly community based policing - but you can't send officers out when there are armor piercing bullets and military-type firearms widesprea among the public.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Your great grand-dad's .30-30 lever gun will go through a IIIa vest like butter, both sides. And most police wear IIa, no plate, or sometimes a small plate over the heart. That's all.
This is a silly tangent.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)When it's fired.
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)rl6214
(8,142 posts)EVERYONE should be dead!
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)drunkenness, and handicapped, apparently, by general stupidity at ALL times (because pulling a gun on a known armed and professionally trained cop is stupid) even a semi-automatic with a 30 round magazine wasn't enough for this man to evade the Darwin award.
Progressive dog
(6,920 posts)Makes us all feel safer when the gun nuts can't shoot straight.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)the 'holding handguns sideways' thing was a genius attempt at social engineering to reduce fatalities from shootings.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)With the result that you had to hold it sideways or the brass would hit you in the face.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)it wouldn't surprise me.
Progressive dog
(6,920 posts)Nobody can accuse Wayne or Ted or the other NRA spokespeople of being geniuses.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)are they? now go kiss your precious wittle gun.
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JimDandy
(7,318 posts)clearly makes it difficult for a gunner to kill anyone, even with a weapon whose function it is to kill people.
MineralMan
(146,335 posts)that the officer was not hit by any of the fire from the AR-15, but the officer was able to hit the shooter. That is the difference between aimed and random fire. I saw the video of this incident. The guy with the AR-15 was firing without aiming. The cop aimed, fired and hit the guy with the AR-15.
This is why the "militia" types are not that much of a threat, really. A major annoyance, but not a real threat to law enforcement in the long run.
niyad
(113,587 posts)MineralMan
(146,335 posts)the calls from some sectors about "taking up arms" against "tyranny." This is the mantra of the extreme 2nd Amendment advocates, who have invested in their AR-15 clones and big boxes of ammo for them. A moron who probably fits into that group was the shooter in this incident. His lack of effectiveness against a cop with a pistol is what I'm looking at.
Reliance on semi-auto fire to take the place of carefully-aimed fire seems to be the concept the morons apply. That is not the concept taught to trained people. This incident is evidence of which strategy is most effective, I think.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)We have things in this country, you may have heard of them, called massacres. Where these "militia types" walk into schools or movie theatres or malls and slaughter everyone. That's not really what one would call an annoyance.
And what if the guy had been wearing body armor? Would that have given him more time to spray bullets? What if this had been in a crowded area? This fuckwad was allowed, no it was his gawd-given right, to own a weapon that kills people. Lots of people. Dead children. Giving it the brush off just allows the problem to continue.
premium
(3,731 posts)slaughtered everyone? Everyone of those incidents have been perpetrated by a mentally ill person, not a militia type person.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)and load themselves up with military-style armory "militia-types." If the definition is a tea partier squalling about the 2nd amendment, there have been some of those too, like say, Timothy McVeigh. It's sort of a moving target to pin nutters down, they exist over a wide spectrum. But the one thing they all have in common is they believe their right to own a deadly weapon trumps his fellow-citizen's right to live.
hack89
(39,171 posts)they were so fucking crazy that they were truly living in an alternate reality. They were genuine, 100% psychotics.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)For armageddon or when the feds come and steal away your freedumbs is sane?
hack89
(39,171 posts)You were the one that made the connection.
Can you show that Adam Lanza, James Holmes and Seung-Hui Cho stockpiled weapons in bunkers and had Tea Party politician beliefs? Didn't think so.
Can you show a single example of a true militia member carrying out a mass killing?
dothemath
(345 posts)What is a 'true militia member'? Are there false militia members? How does one tell the difference? Is there a difference?
A well armed citizen militia was allowed when a despotic king of a foreign nation decided to carry out the will of his nation, a colonial power, and one of their conquests decided uh uh. What foreign nation (or maybe person) is presently attempting to do the same thing today?
Oh wait, I forgot about the Kenyan muslim socialist and his minions. Silly me.
Wake up, people, the miniscule number of about 300 million guns in this country is paltry. I figure about 300 million more will give us a good start to the billion guns we need.
hack89
(39,171 posts)that is what I was asking.
The right to own guns is an individual right - if you have any questions, ask President Obama or check the Democratic party platform.
sarisataka
(18,782 posts)there was no foreign about it, the colonies were British, the colonists were British citizens and King George III was the rightful king and legitimate ruler. They colonists tried for years to petition their grievances and even upon taking up arms in 1775 they colonies did not seek independence but tried to negotiate a settlement for nearly a year.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)When does a militia-type who stockpiles weapons fall into the official category of "mentally ill"? Answer: when he goes into a mall and massacres people. Until then he's a nutter with access to deadly weaponry so we should all just leave him alone right?
Adam Lanza's mother was a militia-type who was hoarding weapons for fear of some sort of civil unrest. That's not mental illness?
premium
(3,731 posts)she's not the one that committed that horrific act is she? It was her son, who was mentally ill, not part of any militia, that committed the act.
Stockpiling weapons is not necessarily a sign of mental illness, despite what you may think.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Did you really just write that?
premium
(3,731 posts)I have a brother that has over 40 handguns, I've lost count of how many rifles he owns, guess what? He's not mentally ill, he's the Sheriff of the county I live in. Your broad brush of gun owners who collect firearms is crap, plain and simple. People collect firearms for a variety of reasons, just because you think it's a sign of mental illness, doesn't mean it is.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Any other collecting hobbies you think are signs of mental illness? I have a lot of old books, for instance.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Or perhaps I have a moviefied view of WWI revolvers that don't work behind glass cases.
Stockpiling or hoarding DOES often equal a form of mental disturbance. The need to have an overabundance of something in order to feel safe is a sign of a larger problem. If that person feels he must be surrounded by lots of death-wielding fire sticks, it's an even BIGGER problem.
These are not guys collecting hunting rifles or even shotguns. These are guys who are collecting military-style weapons for imaginary survival purposes against an unknown or imagined threat. That's not a form of mental illness?
I guess I shouldn't ask any of these things in question form because I'm off this thread. I don't have the energy that pro-gunners do apparently and wish to move on to a more productive use of time.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Sort of like calling a bunch of buildings a "complex" (positive, or at least neutral) vs. a "compound" (negative)
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)While you were busy learning how to diagnose mental illness at a distance, did you also have to
take courses in phrenology?
Crunchy Frog
(26,655 posts)Just enabled it by amassing an arsenal and providing access to a homicidal maniac.
You may believe she bears no responsibility, but I differ in my opinion. If she wasn't already dead, she would deserve to spend the rest of her life in prison for her complicity in those murders.
premium
(3,731 posts)She knew her son was mentally ill, she kept an arsenal in the house, didn't seem to have those weapons properly secured. I have to give the home run to you. Good point.
But my point is that no "militia types" have committed any mass murder in the recent shootings,
Progressive dog
(6,920 posts)No crazies there, just people who claim to be Patriots, but train to fight the government.
Some gun nuts actually believe that the 1st US Congress added a suicide clause to the Constitution. They believe that the second amendment provides that if the self selected "new militia rulers" don't like the government, they can overthrow it.
These mentally ill people believe that they can claim rights under the Constitution to overthrow the government set up by that Constitution. That's why these militias exist.
premium
(3,731 posts)Poster said that "militia types" were responsible for the mass shootings lately, which is simply not true, it's been mentally ill persons with no connection to militia groups.
Progressive dog
(6,920 posts)The poster said militia types. See, here we agree. But gun nuts can subscribe to militia views without actually joining a militia.
Maybe they didn't have the money or the time to train in overthrowing the government. Maybe they weren't quite as insane as the ones who did join.
Type is not the same as member.
premium
(3,731 posts)We probably have more in common than either of us realize.
MineralMan
(146,335 posts)I'm talking about something else, altogether.
Paladin
(28,276 posts)Not an exact-enough firearm description from the Evil Media for you, Gun Enthusiasts? Ready to gripe because the make, model and caliber of the rifle aren't in bold relief, yet? Catch a clue from the Oklahoma tornado coverage: first it was a category 4, now it's a category 5; death estimates went as high as 99 before settling down to around 24, etc. etc., etc. That's the nature of reports from hectic situations---details evolve and sharpen as time goes on. Thanks for your attention to this public service announcement.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It was an AR-15 style rifle. ("AR-15" is like "Kleenex"; it's actually a brand name but it gets applied to competing products too.)
Paladin
(28,276 posts)An initial, inexact description like that is enough to ignite magnum-force conspiracy howling from our Gun Enthusiast crowd. I've seen it dozens of times over the years, here at DU. "AR-15" is like "Kleenex"? Yeah, let's see how that comparison stands up, next time the first reports come in of a mass killing in which such a rifle is used; unfortunately, we probably won't have to wait very long.....
Recursion
(56,582 posts)They are mutually exclusive but they get used in the media as if they mean the same thing. An AR-15 style rifle is certainly not an assault rifle and may or may not be an assault weapon, but it routinely gets called both, which annoys some people.
It's like "Kleenex" in that "AR-15 style rifle" accurately describes that type of carbine, like saying "Kleenex style tissue" or "Band-aid style bandage".
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)They might not use it, but that's part of the consideration when most choose what type weapon they acquire next.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Both from legal definition (as law defines 'Assault Weapon', which may variously be as little as a rifle that accepts a detachable magazine in some jurisdictions) and for common parlance, as the rifle design suggests something like what is defined as an assault weapon.
If you meant to troll, you should have said 'assault rifle'. Gotta bait your hook.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)one of two conditions are true:
1. The author of the article misattributes 'Assault Rifle' to an AR-15, which by definition, it is not, except some very early prototypes.
2. The author has clearly mis-identified some other weapon platform as an AR-15 as evidenced by a photo or surveillance footage attached to the story.
Calling a AR-variant an 'AR-15' generically, I've never seen people object to in a material way. (They might point out it's an M-4 or something like that, but it never halts the discussion.)
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)No one took liberty license and assumed it was a machine gun or anything stupid like that. The description is adequate identification for discussion.
Paladin
(28,276 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Maybe that should tell you something?
Paladin
(28,276 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)you utterly failed to grasp the objections made in the past, because otherwise, there was no point to this thread tangent.
Paladin
(28,276 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Pragdem
(233 posts)Until society realizes that the majority of those that surround them are not capable of handling the amount of freedoms they enjoy in this country?
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)I suppose with attempted murder of an officer the DUI charge would be meaningless. But I can't imagine this guy was even remotely sober.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)suicide by cop, unfortunately.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)why none of the shots in his 30 round magazine hit the police officer and why he fired in the first place is likely to be because of a warrant for his arrest, as often happens in situations like this. Time will tell...the idiot is still alive but barely.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Some people who engage in it will deliberately miss for having no intention to actually harm the officer. They are merely trying to provoke a lethal response.
Your expectation of the cause is plenty likely though. We will see.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)...the officer used training strategies that likely saved his life. The spotlight on the officer's car appears to have blinded the gunman.
" The officer) got to the other side of the vehicle, which really helped him. Fortunately, I don't think (the gunman) knew where the officer was,"...
http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_23295214/longmont-police-officer-ok-suspect-critical-after-overnight
The gunman had previous DUI's with a suspended license.
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)That carrying a gun made one a responsible adult who would not lose it?
Another gunnut myth debunked! AGAIN!
rl6214
(8,142 posts)With an AR15? just in case I needed to put it here)
Nimajneb Nilknarf
(319 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Seems pretty clear to me?
Nimajneb Nilknarf
(319 posts)"...officer with AR-15..."
Robb
(39,665 posts)Nimajneb Nilknarf
(319 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)If you don't use those skills they atrophy, I find...
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Yeah, it's poorly written, but we'll be okay in the long run.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)it would seem to be saying that the bad guy was shooting at a police officer who was holding an AR-15
Nimajneb Nilknarf
(319 posts)to someone failing to turn on his headlights.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Math, geography, science.
Nimajneb Nilknarf
(319 posts)denverbill
(11,489 posts)I wonder what his freeper handle was?
jpak
(41,760 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)More guns!
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Or the guy was seriously chemically impaired at 2:15 am driving without headlights.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)factors in this whole issue, the person behind the gun.
Dumbass shitkicker spends a grand to get an ugly rifle and decides to show the cop how tough he is, so he gets out and starts spraying bullets. He is killed by multiple aimed shots from a handgun.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)obviously the guy was crazy.
that aside, it's apparent he proscribed to the "need to arm oneself in the event of...whatever" Thinking that his AR-15 would do the kind of damage he felt was required to protect himself.
and here is a well trained police officer with a pistol.
man comes out of car, with no firing discipline, shooting wildly with no apparent aim nor training.
Here is a police officer whose training, no doubt, kicks in as second nature, probably assumed a firing stance, maintained proper firing discipline and aimed his shots.
this falls under the old "moron with a gun" topic.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)EC
(12,287 posts)I wonder what he had planned?
otohara
(24,135 posts)they don't like them new gun laws and are suing the state.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)welcome to the Wild West where every asshat has a gun and will shoot you if he disagrees.
Caeser67
(156 posts)People who have weapons IN BROAD SITE, and fire on Police, are injured by them, but a lot of people who have NO WEAPONS AT ALL (Wallets, Newspapers, Belt Buckles) are killed? How does that happen?
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Maybe it's the information or the way the piece was written, but the narrative is that a guy with an assault rifle opens up on a cop with a pistol (I suppose) from a distance that couldn't have been much more than 30 ft., if that, and the guy with the rifle misses "multiple times" while the cop puts 4 rounds in him. I am curious to hear more.
MiniMe
(21,719 posts)Guy driving with no headlights in the middle of the night, opens fire on an officer with a semi-automatic rifle, and misses every shot.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)and just start blasting away, the odds are overwhelming that you are not going to hit what you want to. It is a lucky thing that none of those rounds hit somebody half a mile away sleeping in their own bed.
Spray & pray is just as effective as all other forms of prayer.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)but unless the guy with the AR-15 was very seriously impaired, the cop should be dead, unless he fired first.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Between a guy with a rifle and a guy with a pistol, within 20 yards or so I'd rather be the guy with the pistol. (Though obviously I'd rather be neither.)
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)but unless the guy with the AR-15 was very impaired, you'd probably be dead.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Like I said, they aren't very useful at close range.
I was a Marine for almost a decade; we spent a lot of time training situations like that.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)I'd take the .223 any day over any handgun at any range.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)There's a reason we kept trying to shorten the M16 until they got us a true bullpup. Which they still haven't.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)rifle was a good idea, but even a short rifle remains a rifle. It has more punch and a lot more firepower. Anyway, Semper Fi.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It has more firepower and it's harder to aim. Maybe it's a training difference: coming in to Fallujah we were trained to hit the handgun holders first.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)like that. In Nam not many people had pistols. Those who did carried them as a last resort. A few guys also humped shot guns. I never thought that was a particularly good idea, but they were good at close range. They just took too long to fire and reload. We even had a guy who carried a Thompson. It worked well for blasting through thick jungle. I carried a CAR 15 barrel attached to a regular M16 receiver. It was very short. The guys at the motor pool modified AK magazines for it. They carried 39 .223 rounds. Well, I guess it's whatever works and how you're trained. Have a good one.
premium
(3,731 posts)on top of my M-16, I also carried the squads Bloop Gun, great weapon for it's day.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)"thump guns" M-72 right? They were the only thing we had to fight back with against RPGs. Our 81mm mortar guys (bless their hearts) could unload, but God only knew where the rounds might land.
premium
(3,731 posts)We called it a bloop gun because of the sound it made as the 40mm grenade was leaving the barrel.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)It's been awhile. I seem to recall we had HE, shotgun and even CS rounds for it, but the shotgun rounds weren't very reliable. They had a lot of misfires.
premium
(3,731 posts)I carried the HE, shotgun and CS rounds and those shotgun rounds weren't very reliable at all, used the HE more often than shotgun rounds.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Different times, brothers and sisters.
politicat
(9,808 posts)Including a DUI and a driving while under suspension.
But no felonies.
The local article is here:
http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_23295214/longmont-police-officer-ok-suspect-critical-after-overnight
niyad
(113,587 posts)these two paragraphs were interesting:
While police investigated the scene on Wednesday morning, the officer's car and the Subaru sat about four parking spaces apart at the edge of the Best Buy parking lot, near the road.
A pool of blood was visible next to the officer's car, which still had its lights flashing. The suspect's AR-15 style gun lay nearby. Police set up a mobile command center and draped crime scene tape directly in front of the Best Buy.
BVictor1
(229 posts)I wonder how many more he has stashed away at home?
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)but how drunk does this gun owning criminal (lights out on car) have to be to miss with an AR-15 semi auto at close range?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)That some nut with an assault rifle is pulled over for a traffic infraction and gets out of his car and fires on the officers. Thanks NRA, more blood on your hands.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/04/ak-47-wielding-gunman-fires-37-times-at-shocked-cops-during-routine-traffic-stop/
sigmasix
(794 posts)The NRA and other antiAmerican right wing extremists are responsible for the status of our gun safety laws. When the criteria for being considered a responsible gun owner is a simple birthday and citizenship, we can expect these type of results. The entire point behind the statement that he was a responsible gun owner until he wasnt is the fact that we ought to use some common sense and apply the lessons of history in coming to a determination about who constitutes a responsible, safe gun owner.
The NRA and other gundamentalists have destroyed common sense notions about the difference between safe gun ownership behavior and unsafe gun ownership behavior. For instance: someone that entertains and promulgates paranoid gunspiracy theories is, more often than not, a bad risk to the community if they have the legal right to amass arsenals of guns in thier home or compound. Almost all of America's mass shooting perps share the same paranoid conspiracy theories about the gubmint being out to take thier guns and make them do or be something against thier will. We all know this to be a fact, yet NRA supporters continue to claim there is no way to determine which gun owners will use thier guns in an irresponsible way. There are numerous testing technologies and community mental health organizations that can offer some of the tools needed to ferret out the would-be gun owner that represents a considerable risk to society. Somehow we are able to devise standards and tests that keep criminals from becoming police officers, child rapists from becoming teachers and village idiots from becoming brain surgeons. But the NRA and it's supporters would have Americans believe that the founding fathers didnt want future generations to use common sense when it comes to gunz- the NRA teaches Americans that the founding fathers intended the 2nd amendment to be used by any misanthrope to amass an armory of death and destruction to use as a threat against our democratically elected government and law enforcement officials. The NRA insists that there is no way to know who will be an irresponsible gun owner, before the gun owner becomes irresponsible. This notion flies in the face of reason and history. We have all of the tools we need to begin restricting gun ownership for those that have proven to be irresponsible about other important adult responsibilities. A man that beats his wife and children is a bad risk for gun ownership, yet the NRA works tirelessly to pass laws that reinstate gun rights for spousal abuse convicts. We know that an individual that is convinced there are black helicopters and weather control weapons at work to force certain americans into re-education fema camps is not a good risk for gun ownership, yet the core of right wing NRA support comes from individuals that admit to maintaining these partisan paranoid delusions.
This is the main problem with allowing a pro-gun-nut organization to masquerade as a gun sports and rights organization. America's gun problem arises from the systemic destruction of basic common sense gun ownership regulations by extreme right wing operatives that are only interested in the destruction of America and the liberties gained from the north defeating the south in the civil war. The right wing extremists that control the NRA have been targeting our gun laws because they know that the conditions created by the firearm free-for-all will dissolve American cohesion and lead to social conditions that will weaken our democracy.
The NRA and other right wing organizations are like vultures; America has been hurt badly by the defection of the republican party to the antiAmerican right wing- and the right wing vultures are picking over the corpse of our democracy in search of anything that is left of the infrastructure to give to the big donors. What is going to be left for our children after the right wing steals, destroys or shoots everything of worth in our once beautiful country?
But NRA supporters continue to play "hero in thier own mind" games that lead to further enhancing the rift between responsible gun ownership and NRA-approved gun ownership.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)oh, wait a minute, he was, and people STILL FUCKING GOT HURT.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)KG
(28,753 posts)(fave comment)
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)A spotlight apparently blinded the gunman.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)librechik
(30,676 posts)bang!
I'll bet if this gun lover recovers, he will have no memory of the incident.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)thankfully this idiot shot up the area in the early morning hrs instead of regular business time.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Wait...what?
Glad to hear the cop escaped without injury (which means the defendant is about the worst shot ever.)