I think we can see now how they stopped the Boston marathon bombing plot.

[originalpckelly]

If they had not been violating our rights, God knows that marathon would have been bombed.

It's obvious that these violations of our rights are really protecting us from terrorist attacks.

[originalpckelly]

1. It hurts...

because you fucking know it is true.

[FirstLight]

2. yep...

exactly what I have been thinking through all this blustering...it's useless and yet still a violation of rights.
Oh, and supposedly this has been going on since BEFORE Sept 11th...so WTF?

[originalpckelly]

3. And I'm aware that particular order is probably a reaction to the Boston bombing...

but the thing is that the illegal spying didn't start with this order.

The secret room reported on by Wired at AT&T where they split off the fiber optic cables and passed the signal through a computer to sift through the information, that happened under Bush.

This shit didn't magically...POOF! disappear you know.

And that's why it's all bullshit. Every fucking bit of this nonsense is not working.

[avaistheone1]

4. Hear, hear!

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. the only sunny side to this

is that while they violate the fourth, what civil rights? The haystack is just getting bigger, or they switched from the three inch hose to the five incher, and are still trying to drink from it.

[originalpckelly]

7. Another bright side...

at this rate there won't be a constitution soon, so we can use all of the copies of it as kindling.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Hey, with global cimate change

we might have to, so we can start fires at home, after systems failures.

[graham4anything]

6. being that the thrill killers planned it for July 4, they didn't even know it would be then

not to mention it wasn't foreign terrorism, but some thrill kill fame seekers, being that one already
had committed a triple murder in Mass. in a scene reminiscence of the Sharon Tate murders

So it wasn't a terror attack.

[originalpckelly]

8. And Vietnam was a police action.

Because the only thing that defines an event is what we choose to call it, not what actually happens, right?

[graham4anything]

9. You would have to ask Truman and Eisenhower, as it was their war.

[originalpckelly]

11. I don't give a shit who started it...

I care that it wasn't always a war.

Until people became far enough removed from it to know the truth was not reflected in the language.

[graham4anything]

12. If LBJ was reelected without the Nixon sabatoge, the war ended 1968. Nixon made it last 6 years long

[originalpckelly]

13. We can sit here going on about it for hours...

but it still doesn't change the truth.

LBJ got the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. You know it. I know it.

Bug off.

[graham4anything]

14. I see you edited after my response

How possibly could Boston have been stopped when the killer perps did not even know they were going to do it then,
and had planned for July 4th?

They themselves didn't know.

However, with NYC type 2013 security, it would have been stopped.

And they found the killer perps within hours, thanks to cameras the day they released the pix

With proper security, the Son of Sam would have been stopped after the first shooting.
And Etan Paitz would have been found before he was killed after being kidnapped, (same with the Cleveland kidnapper would have been stopped with proper cameras.

[originalpckelly]

15. The problem is that Son of Sam was a serial killer not a terrorist.

[graham4anything]

17. So were the Boston 2. One "allegedly" (yeah don't forget alleged) violently killed 3 people there.

In an attack so vicious many people compared it to the Sharon Tate Murders.

So in a sense, at least one of them was a serial killer.

But has there been another 9-11 from a USA airplane since 9-11?

[Th1onein]

20. I disagree.

They had enough information BEFORE the Boston bombing to stop the perpetrators. They didn't have to know the exact date. All they needed to know was that they were planning it. Period.

[pinboy3niner]

18. Well,then I guess I must have been a policeman...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. But..but..they're protecting our rights by violating them.

At least that's what their excuse is and they're stickin' to it.

[MjolnirTime]

19. cry me a river.

[morningfog]

21. Obama firsters are pathetic.