Rachell Maddow: "...didn't we know they were already doing this stuff?..."

[uponit7771]

Jus a couple of seconds ago and my exact reaction after digging deeper.


I stopped listening to our extremely sloppy M$M long long long long long time ago...(around Iraq war) and take what they say with a block of salt.


Now when the Obama admin REALLY screws up something it'll be hard to take the M$M and Obama haters seriously


Your take?

tia

[NYC_SKP]

1. My take. The people shitting on Obama today knew all along, and just attention grabbing assholes.

Drudge, Huffington, everyone, it seems, except Maddow.

[uponit7771]

2. +1

[morningfog]

3. So you think data mining is good policy?

[uponit7771]

4. No, I think the recent M$M sloppy ass'd reporting is much worse though. I'm more surprised at DU...

...reaction than the story.

Starting to smell like FUDr around here no?

tia

[morningfog]

5. So you are against the current policy?

[uponit7771]

8. Yes and I already knew of it and it's a waste of time and money....too much data to be useful

[NYC_SKP]

6. *rolls eyes* and says, "Oh, yes, that is EXACTLY what I said."

Seriously, I'm sure your reply falls under one of these logical fallacies: http://www.nobeliefs.com/fallacies.htm

Which, I'm not sure.

[morningfog]

7. Nice dodge. Do you support data mining?

[uponit7771]

9. I do, I support legal data mining but not the current NSA policy of it ...it's stupid

[NYC_SKP]

11. Again: The people shitting on Obama today knew all along, and just attention grabbing assholes.

And, I support the ten amendments and right to privacy, the collection of data only under constitutionally approved conditions.

I do not approve of the status quo, established by Bush Cheney with a complicit congress.

But it doesn't change my statement about assholes coming out of the woodwork, like Huffpost and Drudge.

[morningfog]

12. If it is wrong, and it is, it doesn't matter when

or from where the attention comes. I welcome it. Obama has had 5 years to clean up bush's shit. He left himself open to this by his full adoption of the policies.

[uponit7771]

20. yes it does matter WHEN...the point being this is NOT breakin news...nothing new and something ELSE

...for progressives to fight to change

[davidn3600]

14. I dont give a damn who reported what....

The fact its going on is what needs to be the focus of debate.

Anyone that supported it under Bush and opposes it now is a hypocrite.
Likewise anyone that was against it then and now thinks it is OK because Obama is in office is equally a hypocrite.

At this point, the finger pointing needs to stop and it's time to start talking about how to end this abuse of power.

[uponit7771]

19. BREAKING: ....OBAMA WEARS SHOES!!!!!

[Union Scribe]

31. We all know who established it.

The problem is now those who continue it. And defend continuing it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. Sure we did. It's just when the big, black Kenyan socialist does it, we "clutch our pearls" :(

[CakeGrrl]

13. Yes. NOW it's an outrage.

Or it's just another thing this president hasn't fixed fast enough. Despite the fact that he can't actually do the fixing.

[BlueCheese]

43. Of course he can fix it.

These renewals don't write themselves. Tell the NSA to stop it and it would expire.

[uponit7771]

23. +1

[jimlup]

15. Yep...

My thoughts exactly.

[liberal_at_heart]

16. if we bitched when Bush did it why wouldn't we bitch when Obama does it?

Why is okay for Obama to do something that Bush did?

[burnodo]

18. Because this is the great American football game

and he's on our team! Go Bama! RAH!

[LovingA2andMI]

28. LOVING THIS ^^^^^^

[uponit7771]

24. I would be too busy getting Obama a 90% majority progressive congress? tia

[randome]

33. We bitched with the result that a legal warrant and Congressional review was mandated.

Now all of a sudden -surprise!- Greenwald reveals that a legal warrant and Congressional review is needed.

Who could have guessed?

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[DirkGently]

17. Maddow: "Obama said he would release FISA rulings ... but never did."

She did not dismiss the issue of outrageous spying on Americans by the NSA, whose mission was supposed to be foreign surveillance, begun under Bush as you are attempting to do.

She also cited a headline that said:

"Patriot Act Author extremely troubled by NSA phone tracking" as part of her discussion of the ongoing objections of many members of Congress.

Rachel Maddow does not agree with you.

Sorry.

[uponit7771]

25. Never said she did and none of what you posted negated the OP...don't know what you're trying to say

[Triana]

21. Seems to me I remember reading about "PRISM" a few years ago...

...but I could be mis-remembering.

[panader0]

22. Remember that Gene Hackman/Will Smith movie called "Enemy of the State"?

It has been clear for a long time that the NSA can read a license plate from a satellite. They can track what movies you rent, what books you bought, or anything you bought with plastic, or any cell call. They have been doing this forever. Before the current technology, before the NSA, even before the USA, governments have spied on citizens. Some here appear to suddenly be outraged to learn this.

[krawhitham]

26. Just what did people think the Patriot Act did?

Why are people all shocked and shaken now?

[arcane1]

27. The way I see it: The only attack they have left is to blame him for being too far to the right.

And it's a long way to 2014

They are arguing against their own ideas at this point. We knew the Left was too far Right. Now the only thing they have is to pretend the Right is Left.

This liberal says the "stuff" is wrong no matter who does it. But the sudden outrage fools no one but the fools who cheered it on a decade ago.

In modern terms, you can consider me a Sanders/Warren/Grayson Democrat.

[DevonRex]

29. Everybody knew. FISA was just expanded by CONGRESS

in December. JFC and now people are pretending outrage because Greenwald leaked a warrant that's been renewed over and over?

Oh, and Greenwald is a motherfucking Republican shill. Like the folks responsible for the IRS thing.

[randome]

34. He supported Bush for the Iraq war. He is an asshole.

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[DevonRex]

36. He's a pointy-toothed

rat-faced fucker, too.

[boilerbabe]

38. you all are getting desperate and creepy. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

48. You seem kind of delusional and enraged

Glen Greenwald got a huge scoop and exposed Obama's domestic surveillance program, or at least some of it. I ran the calculations and discovered there's not shit you can do about it.

[boilerbabe]

37. funny, Andrew sullivan, hero of BOGGERs was forgiven

for supporting bush's war!

[randome]

39. Not by me!

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[Luminous Animal]

40. Susan Rice supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. Susan Rice. Obama's confidante.

She's an asshole.

[randome]

44. Okay, I can buy that.

But I'll defer to the President on that.

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[Luminous Animal]

45. Greenwald wasn't actively supporting Bush's pile of lying crap...

Rice was. Greenwald has admitted to being apolitical and that he trusted the government, whether Dem or Rep, wouldn't lead us into war based on a pack of lies. At the time, he was not a blogger. He had zero influence at all. I started reading his blog about 3-4 months into it. What has been incredible to witness is his political awakening. What has been incredible to witness, is political evolution and his acute focus.

Hell, I had to convince my own brother, a Democratic organizer, a proud liberal union member, that invading Iraq was a gross prospect based on a pack of lies.

[uponit7771]

46. didn't know this one...wow, and DU fudrs are having a field day

[DevonRex]

49. Three words for you: Echelon, Shamrock and Minaret. DECADES before Obama.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MINARET

If you've ever seen those big white globes before...

[limpyhobbler]

30. The "we've always been at war with eastasia" defense.

I like it.

[uponit7771]

47. no it's the "why are you moved now" retort of poutrage

[kentuck]

32. Yep.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022955978

[CJCRANE]

35. I'm pretty sure

this was revealed during the Bush era, around 2005.

[vanlassie]

41. Total Information Awareness?? John Poindexter?

"Back in 2001, the Defense Department was briefed about a massive data mining system that officials said was aimed at identifying alleged terrorists who lived and communicated with people in the United States.

The new intelligence program granted traditional law enforcement agencies as well as the FBI and the CIA the authority to conduct what was then referred to as “suspicionless surveillance” of American citizens."
http://pubrecord.org/nation/2341/continued-secretly-operate/

[BlueCheese]

42. Honestly, I didn't know the program had been extended.

I didn't know it included (likely) every single phone call made within or out of the United States. After all, the F in FISA stands for "foreign", and I remember a big deal was made last time about how at least one end of the conversation had to be out of the U.S.

Now maybe this was naive of me, but it appears that a lot of people were similarly naive. And a lot of them, including Al Gore, Bernie Sanders, and Russ Feingold, are rightfully angry.

The idea that this is only a hatchet to take on Obama is wrong. The stupid little fights over Benghazi and the IRS are pure political theater with no content. But this is something very real.